BobbyBlue
Arrhythmia and Blues
Damn DC, What a bum deal ! You know i'm waaaaaay to dumb to hep but ya got my sympathies for sure bud ! Heres hoping for a quick easy resolution !
Bobby
Bobby
KrZy8 down n out?
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Khunajawdge
Toto El Mundo!
To Me, it sounds like a head gasket, but just for grins check to see if anything has blocked the airbox. Then check to see if the injector boots are all tight.
Toecutter
What would DoG do?
Sad to hear. I send positive energy toward Creston....
petey
Well-known member
Bummer, Don...check all the minor stuff first, 
just maybe....good luck... :exhappysmiley:
just maybe....good luck... :exhappysmiley: 
garyahouse
newbs need the forum
Good luck with your fix. Anxious to hear what it was.
Gary
darksider #44
Gary
darksider #44
Geezer
Parsimonious Curmudgeon
If the head gasket was leaking in a place where it would otherwise seal a coolant passage then you would get a milky color in your oil from the coolant mixing in. It would be obvious. And you would smell coolant in the exhaust.
It is possible for the gasket to give out between two cylinders without a breach in the coolant seal. That would cause compression problems and possibly cross firing where flame from on cylinder ignites across to the other and ignites it out of time. If this is happening it can erode the metal of the head and/or cylinder wall.
I can't explain the sticky hand.
It is possible for the gasket to give out between two cylinders without a breach in the coolant seal. That would cause compression problems and possibly cross firing where flame from on cylinder ignites across to the other and ignites it out of time. If this is happening it can erode the metal of the head and/or cylinder wall.
I can't explain the sticky hand.
wfooshee
O, Woe is me!!
If it had no signal from the crankshaft sensor, it would have no clue when to fire the plugs, since there's no mechanical distributor. Won't run without that sensor. If you turned on the bike with it unplugged you'd set the code. (It might not set till you tried to crank, but I think it would set with power on.) It wouldn't be an intermittent problem, I don't think.
Here's a shot I took some time back, documenting my AVCC install. The wire with the red band is one of the plug wires, and you can see another one above it headed over to the left side of the engine. Don't know how that compares with yours. Obviously the PAIR stuff is still there.
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Read through the thread, Don. A sticky hand does not a blown head gasket make.
I'd be looking for something else, and more clues. Watch that Prof. Plum!
I'd be looking for something else, and more clues. Watch that Prof. Plum!
dcarver
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Would the milky oil be obvious via the site window?
It looks like your plug wires are over the inlet water pipe. Mine are under, limiting them of service loop. I'll look more soon, hopefully tonight.If it had no signal from the crankshaft sensor, it would have no clue when to fire the plugs, since there's no mechanical distributor. Won't run without that sensor. If you turned on the bike with it unplugged you'd set the code. (It might not set till you tried to crank, but I think it would set with power on.) It wouldn't be an intermittent problem, I don't think.
Here's a shot I took some time back, documenting my AVCC install. The wire with the red band is one of the plug wires, and you can see another one above it headed over to the left side of the engine. Don't know how that compares with yours. Obviously the PAIR stuff is still there.
Will do. Any idea why so suddenly sticky?
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Pepperell
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re: crank sensor.
I managed to crimp the lead from the crank sensor under the crank/timing chain cover whilst doing the timing chain adjuster. Ran, but ran like sh!t. I believe it is a shielded cable (like a guitar or microphone cable). Might be worth checking along the cable for damage to it.
No sticky stuff on my hands, tho'; you're on yer own there.
Carl
I managed to crimp the lead from the crank sensor under the crank/timing chain cover whilst doing the timing chain adjuster. Ran, but ran like sh!t. I believe it is a shielded cable (like a guitar or microphone cable). Might be worth checking along the cable for damage to it.
No sticky stuff on my hands, tho'; you're on yer own there.
Carl
Bustanut joker
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Will do. Any idea why so suddenly sticky?
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road runner
Well-known member
Don
I would start by trying to isolate the problem. Check the spark, fuel pressure, compression. If all that checks out you may want to put new plugs in then look for a vacuum leak (check to make sure the rubber caps used for syncing are intact). Actually check the caps first, and all the vacuum lines like the one for the IAP or Map sensor.
Just a few ideas.
I would start by trying to isolate the problem. Check the spark, fuel pressure, compression. If all that checks out you may want to put new plugs in then look for a vacuum leak (check to make sure the rubber caps used for syncing are intact). Actually check the caps first, and all the vacuum lines like the one for the IAP or Map sensor.
Just a few ideas.
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beemerdons
Certifiable Old Fart
Thanks, Dr. Ruth!Will do. Any idea why so suddenly sticky?
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HotRodZilla
GOD BLESS AMERICA
Pffft...Bust knows more about masturbation than any other human alive. Hell, he probably wrote that quote for Wikipedia. He is a master-masturbator.Thanks, Dr. Ruth!Will do. Any idea why so suddenly sticky?
Masturbation refers to sexual stimulation of a person's own genitals, usually to the point of orgasm.[1] The stimulation can be performed manually, by use of objects or tools, or by some combination of these methods.[2] Masturbation is a common form of autoeroticism.
Bustanut joker
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Dude you are SO assfuked next time I see You..
dcarver
Well-known member
More testing tonight -
On to the pix -
Oil sight glass - overfull, first indication. I never fill past top mark.
Frothy
Compared to Wabs
Diagnostic code results - <clicky>
..and finally, spark plugs. Note that cyl 1 & 2 were much nosier, with popping, and exhaust flow at left pipe irregular and compared to 3 and 4, right pipe.
Star pattern, 1-2-3-4 with 1 at 0900 position.
#2
#3 nice and as should be
#4 good looking to
#1 at top, #2 at bottom
Same orientation
Was working inside the shop tonight, not outside. Did my 'sniff' test between Wabs and CrZy8, CrZy8 definitively has sweet smell. Even saturated the shop.
I've contacted SuperTech Ivan at Hidden Power and he'll have the bike in the next day or two.
<Unless you can think of a better outcome?>
- No vacuum leaks in Audiovox accumulator 'circuit'
- Fuel rail & injectors tight no vacuum leaks
- Diag's all run sat - <clicky>
- Pulled plugs <you guys were right, the caps *can* be removed, but why the heck didn't mamayamma put another 10 mm lead length in?> and all plugs fired fine
- Plugs 1 and 2 came out 'wet' and not smelling like gasoline wet
On to the pix -
Oil sight glass - overfull, first indication. I never fill past top mark.
Frothy
Compared to Wabs
Diagnostic code results - <clicky>
..and finally, spark plugs. Note that cyl 1 & 2 were much nosier, with popping, and exhaust flow at left pipe irregular and compared to 3 and 4, right pipe.
Star pattern, 1-2-3-4 with 1 at 0900 position.
#2
#3 nice and as should be
#4 good looking to
#1 at top, #2 at bottom
Same orientation
Was working inside the shop tonight, not outside. Did my 'sniff' test between Wabs and CrZy8, CrZy8 definitively has sweet smell. Even saturated the shop.
I've contacted SuperTech Ivan at Hidden Power and he'll have the bike in the next day or two.
<Unless you can think of a better outcome?>
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Bustanut joker
Well-known member
My brother ....................I think you are ******.
This sucks balls bad! *** man.. *** fukity *** ***!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This sucks balls bad! *** man.. *** fukity *** ***!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dcarver
Well-known member
A head gasket doesn't scare me. I'm only ~10k away from 150k, she's given good service. No complaints. If the head has damage, then that's another story.
So you think it's a blown head gasket too?
Chocolate milk in the crankcase is the #1 symptom.
You, Sir, have a happy gasket. But not in a good way.
Fook.
Oh yeah - drain the oil asap. Get the water out of the case.
You, Sir, have a happy gasket. But not in a good way.
Fook.
Oh yeah - drain the oil asap. Get the water out of the case.
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dcarver
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Will do tomorrow. I'm past my beddie-bye time right now..
Hal - thanks for the analysis / help. I had just switched over to Napa synthetic, and thought, *maybe* that look was normal as compared to dino oil. But when I looked at Wabs oil... :huh:
