How to stall an FJR1300AS (or AE if you prefer to stall that)

mcatrophy · May 11, 2014

I used to preach how my FJR was unstallable. However, today I found a way. Here's how you do it.

Go out in the pouring rain so as to find yourself a nice wet road, get yourself to the front of a queue of cars at a red light. When the lights go to green, nonchalantly wind on loads of throttle so as to show those cagers what a wonderfull machine you're riding. When the bike doesn't move, but the rear wheel spins up and starts to move sideways, rapidly shut the throttle.

What happens now is the interesting bit: all of a sudden, the rear wheel bites the Tarmac and stops dead. At this point, the clutch doesn't disengage quickly enough. Result: the engine stops!

So, I no longer believe that my FJR can't be stalled.

Ps. At least when I tried this technique out for the general education of all YCC-S owners, it started instantly, and I was able to slightly reduce my embarrassment with a (slightly more sedate than I had originally hoped for) getaway.

LKLD · May 11, 2014

Holeshot on a wet road, at a red light, where the oil build is high....live and learn.

lnewlf · May 11, 2014

Or....

you could mash the brakes at 60 when a moose runs in front of you

I didn't get the clutch in- it stalled in high.

rogdeb · May 11, 2014

mcatrophy said:
What happens now is the interesting bit: all of a sudden, the rear wheel bites the Tarmac and stops dead. At this point, the clutch doesn't disengage quickly enough. Result: the engine stops!

Ps. At least when I tried this technique out for the general education of all YCC-S owners, it started instantly, and I was able to slightly reduce my embarrassment with a (slightly more sedate than I had originally hoped for) getaway.

I hope nobody saw any of that !! LOL. I'm sure it went unnoticed

ionbeam · May 11, 2014

lnewlf said:
Or....you could mash the brakes at 60 when a moose runs in front of you

I didn't get the clutch in- it stalled in high.

This makes me worry why the ABS let the rear wheel lock enough to stall the engine

Hmm, maybe ABS can't deal with compression braking working on the same wheel that the ABS ECU is trying to keep from brake locking. It would have to be a strange situation for compression braking to stall the wheel independent of the ABS brakes.

rushes · May 11, 2014

ionbeam said:
lnewlf said:

Or....you could mash the brakes at 60 when a moose runs in front of you

I didn't get the clutch in- it stalled in high.

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This makes me worry why the ABS let the rear wheel lock enough to stall the engine

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*My post deleted because it had nothing to do with an AE or an AS.

mcatrophy · May 11, 2014

lnewlf said:
Or....you could mash the brakes at 60 when a moose runs in front of you

I didn't get the clutch in- it stalled in high.

Since you have a clutch lever, at least you have the possibility of allowing the engine to keep running, but I can quite understand why your mind wasn't prioritising that

.

rogdeb said:
...I hope nobody saw any of that !! LOL. I'm sure it went unnoticed

Only the few cars behind and beside me. They don't count, do they?

ionbeam said:
lnewlf said:

Or....

you could mash the brakes at 60 when a moose runs in front of you

I didn't get the clutch in- it stalled in high.

Click to expand...

This makes me worry why the ABS let the rear wheel lock enough to stall the engine :blinksmiley:

Hmm, maybe ABS can't deal with compression braking working on the same wheel that the ABS ECU is trying to keep from brake locking. It would have to be a strange situation for compression braking to stall the wheel independent of the ABS brakes.

Kind of depends at the lowest speed the ABS will work. If it's (say) 3 mph, the engine speed in 5th is something like 160 rpm? Might not run too well

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majicmaker · May 11, 2014

You just got your first stall now, MC? Pffft... I have you beat by just short of a year! Here's the way I did it. First, go down a long empty road Balls Out Fast!!!! Then, when you start getting close to the red light, slow down... slow down... and then slow down some more until you're just Yards (meters for you UK Riders) from the light. When you're about to just tap the brake to go ahead and stop, The light turns green and you twist the throttle like if you just robbed a bank! It stalled like a wet noodle in front of God and Country!!! (or the Queen for you UK Riders!)

Now, I'm stalled in the middle of the road. I have a split second to figure out what the Hell just happened with everybody and their brother bearing down on me at the speed of RIGHT NOW!!!!

I look at the controls, then I look at the bike, then I look behind me and in no time at all, someone was going to grant me a one way ticket to meet my maker. In an instant, I figured out that in the whole process of slowing down, I hadn't down shifted from 5th gear!!

That wasn't too embarrassing, (YES IT WAS!)

lnewlf · May 11, 2014

ionbeam said:
lnewlf said:

Or....you could mash the brakes at 60 when a moose runs in front of you

I didn't get the clutch in- it stalled in high.

Click to expand...

This makes me worry why the ABS let the rear wheel lock enough to stall the engine

Hmm, maybe ABS can't deal with compression braking working on the same wheel that the ABS ECU is trying to keep from brake locking. It would have to be a strange situation for compression braking to stall the wheel independent of the ABS brakes.

That is a head scratcher..compression braking should over rev an engine...I guess the best the ABS can do is off on off on-50% off and 50% on. not enough off to keep the engine from stalling in high at @ 60 .

lnewlf · May 11, 2014

additional thought-not sure when the engine stalled, but the ABS kept working up until the bike stopped- just short of eating moose. My brain was too overloaded to disengage the clutch. I do , thought, remember the irrelevant thought

mcatrophy · May 12, 2014

lnewlf said:
ionbeam said:

lnewlf said:

Or....you could mash the brakes at 60 when a moose runs in front of you

I didn't get the clutch in- it stalled in high.

Click to expand...

This makes me worry why the ABS let the rear wheel lock enough to stall the engine

Hmm, maybe ABS can't deal with compression braking working on the same wheel that the ABS ECU is trying to keep from brake locking. It would have to be a strange situation for compression braking to stall the wheel independent of the ABS brakes.

Click to expand...

That is a head scratcher..compression braking should over rev an engine...I guess the best the ABS can do is off on off on-50% off and 50% on. not enough off to keep the engine from stalling in high at @ 60 .

Come on, when you want to slow down, the ABS doesn't prevent you from stopping. If the clutch is still engaged, the engine will stall.

Panic brake when under TIbM (territorial invasion by moose

), the engine will stall when the wheel's too slow. If the ABS prevented this, you'd never be able to stop.

mcatrophy · May 12, 2014

majicmaker said:
You just got your first stall now, MC? Pffft... I have you beat by just short of a year! Here's the way I did it. First, go down a long empty road Balls Out Fast!!!! Then, when you start getting close to the red light, slow down... slow down... and then slow down some more until you're just Yards (meters for you UK Riders) from the light. When you're about to just tap the brake to go ahead and stop, The light turns green and you twist the throttle like if you just robbed a bank! It stalled like a wet noodle in front of God and Country!!! (or the Queen for you UK Riders!)

Now, I'm stalled in the middle of the road. I have a split second to figure out what the Hell just happened with everybody and their brother bearing down on me at the speed of RIGHT NOW!!!!

I look at the controls, then I look at the bike, then I look behind me and in no time at all, someone was going to grant me a one way ticket to meet my maker. In an instant, I figured out that in the whole process of slowing down, I hadn't down shifted from 5th gear!!

That wasn't too embarrassing, (YES IT WAS!)

Congratulations (I think!). But it does sound as if your clutch isn't disengaging properly. But, maybe I'll give your technique a try just to see ...

Oh yes, UK yards and metres and stuff, a bit off topic, but it's my topic

- we have some very, very strange mixtures of units.

We measure distances in miles, our speed in miles per hour, but on motorways we have "countdown" signs to turn-offs at 300, 200 and 100 metres. But we still measure using yards in casual conversation.
We buy our petrol (gas for you USA riders) in litres, but calculate our fuel consumption in miles per gallon (that's proper, full sized Imperial gallons, none of your itzy-bitzy US gallons).
We have our TV weather forecasts using degrees Celsius, but usually with a verbal "that's 61 Fahrenheit" at the end (that's on a particularly hot day

).
Our aeroplanes still fly at altitudes measured in thousands of feet, but record-seeking balloons ascend to thousands of metres.
When we "went metric", we started buying our timber (lumber?) in units of "metric feet" (yes, really), now it's usually in much more sensible (?) multiples of 300mm.
At least in some supermarkets, we buy our milk in 1.136 litre containers - coincidentally that's the same as 2 (Imperial) pints.
We buy potatoes in kilograms but measure our body weight in stones and pounds.

And so it goes on ...

Now you can understand why I'm so often in a state of total confusion

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majicmaker · May 12, 2014

That's Hilarious, MC! So, what you're saying is that, in the UK, it's pretty much pick which ever unit you want? Eh?!

)

DennisJ · May 12, 2014

Stones to Pounds or Pounds to Stones still catches me up when I talk to my daughter in Bristol. She seems to convert back an forth subconsciously since whenever she inquires about my health and I tell her my weight in pounds she invariable responds that I am underweight and should weigh 11 Stone 11 or some other combination that i need to re-convert to understand.

mcatrophy · May 12, 2014

majicmaker said:
That's Hilarious, MC! So, what you're saying is that, in the UK, it's pretty much pick which ever unit you want? Eh?! )

In reality we use more useful units,

Distances and moderate heights are measured in units of London double decker buses
Tall buildings in Eiffel towers (there's that metric influence again)
Heavy objects in units of elephants or blue whales
Areas in football pitches (large) or cat swings (small)
Speeds in scalded cats or snails pace
Rainfall in cats and dogs - we're obviously a cat-loving (or hating) nation
Price in arms and legs
Loudness in terms of Harley Davidsons (ok, that's not general, just the motorcycle fraternity)

Luckily most people have no idea what any particular measurement means, so it doesn't really matter.

mcatrophy · May 12, 2014

DennisJ said:
Stones to Pounds or Pounds to Stones still catches me up when I talk to my daughter in Bristol. She seems to convert back an forth subconsciously since whenever she inquires about my health and I tell her my weight in pounds she invariable responds that I am underweight and should weigh 11 Stone 11 or some other combination that i need to re-convert to understand.

I only "know" my weight in stones and pounds. Occasionally I've admitted it on this forum, I've always translated it into pounds, knowing the difficulty some ex-colonials have with a proper system of measurements

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jscasteel · May 16, 2014

mcatrophy said:
mcatrophy said:

I used to preach how my FJR was unstallable. However, today I found a way. Here's how you do it.

Go out in the pouring rain so as to find yourself a nice wet road, get yourself to the front of a queue of cars at a red light. When the lights go to green, nonchalantly wind on loads of throttle so as to show those cagers what a wonderfull machine you're riding. When the bike doesn't move, but the rear wheel spins up and starts to move sideways, rapidly shut the throttle.

What happens now is the interesting bit: all of a sudden, the rear wheel bites the Tarmac and stops dead. At this point, the clutch doesn't disengage quickly enough. Result: the engine stops!

So, I no longer believe that my FJR can't be stalled.

Ps. At least when I tried this technique out for the general education of all YCC-S owners, it started instantly, and I was able to slightly reduce my embarrassment with a (slightly more sedate than I had originally hoped for) getaway.

Click to expand...

Would that work on a Gen III with Traction Control enabled?

mcatrophy · May 17, 2014

jscasteel said:
mcatrophy said:

I used to preach how my FJR was unstallable. However, today I found a way. Here's how you do it.

Go out in the pouring rain so as to find yourself a nice wet road, get yourself to the front of a queue of cars at a red light. When the lights go to green, nonchalantly wind on loads of throttle so as to show those cagers what a wonderfull machine you're riding. When the bike doesn't move, but the rear wheel spins up and starts to move sideways, rapidly shut the throttle.

What happens now is the interesting bit: all of a sudden, the rear wheel bites the Tarmac and stops dead. At this point, the clutch doesn't disengage quickly enough. Result: the engine stops!

So, I no longer believe that my FJR can't be stalled.

Ps. At least when I tried this technique out for the general education of all YCC-S owners, it started instantly, and I was able to slightly reduce my embarrassment with a (slightly more sedate than I had originally hoped for) getaway.

Click to expand...

Would that work on a Gen III with Traction Control enabled?

Hopefully the traction control would prevent the wheel winding up in the first place, after all, that's what it's there for.

You've got a '13, go on, give it a try

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