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Radar and Lidar detectors don't work if the officer knows what he's doing. Your best defense is a jammer and that is going to be hit and miss.

Trust me. ;)

 
Radar and Lidar detectors don't work if the officer knows what he's doing. Your best defense is a jammer and that is going to be hit and miss.
Trust me. ;)
Don't work if he DOES know what he is doing?? In any case, tell us more.

 
My brother the LEO sez… There are three types of speed control beyond the basic traffic patrol 1) Public safety where they put a cruiser in a prominent location so people can plainly see it from a great distance causing most drivers to be on good behavior and be aware that police are in the area. 2) speed enforcement where there is a visible and sometimes announced speed patrol -- see public safety 3) revenue generation/punishment speed enforcement -- concealed (hiding) and observing traffic, shooting a targeted vehicle, make the stop and reload, err, return to the hunting blind.

When performed correctly, the officer observes what he believes to be a traffic miscreant, targets that vehicle and shoots it with radar/lidar ensuring that certain conditions are met. Conditions include beam spread, angle to traffic (cosign error), target accuracy, proper equipment settings, etc. In this case when your detector goes off your speed has already been locked, your vehicle has been identified among the traffic and the officer has visually determined you are moving at a significantly different speed from the surrounding traffic. Riding with my brother in his cruiser he has demonstrated the ability to visually determine vehicle speed typically within 2 mph. He points to a car and says, 78 – trigger the gun, actual 79; points to another car and says 63, gun, actual 63. When police are targeting specific cars and use instant on radar or lidar your speed is locked before or just as your radar detector goes off.

Fortunately, the LEOs in my area tend to drive around with the radar unit on all the time which gives me the opportunity to check my speedometer to verify my speed hasn’t accidentally crept over the limit before I actually come into range ;)

[bTW, when my brother was a patrolman his supervisor kept saying, “Officer Smith, have you lost your citation pad?” To which my brother says, “I make more than 50 stops a week.” His supervisor then replies, “Make sure that those stops result in tickets.”]

 
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When police are targeting specific cars and use instant on radar or lidar your speed is locked before or just as your radar detector goes off.
I don't know if it still applies to more modern guns, but the act of shooting a vehicle ahead of me would be detected by my detector. The range of this detection was the biggest selling point back when I last bought one. The unit I had had an optimal range of up to a mile. Biggest problem was when you were ahead on a quiet road.

Also, in many parts of the world, the police are required to take several readings (3 seems a common number) to verify the speed, and that it's reasonably consistant (victim not overtaking, glitch, shot the wrong vehicle, etc). In those places, if your detector works (detects the first hit), and you react swiftly to shed speed, it's impossible to get the required consistant readings.

Of course, I think usually, at least with the hand held guns, the bookkeeping is a matter of the officers word as to what he did :bigeyes: as no electronic log is kept.

 
I saw an unusual trap on I74 just before Davenport this fall. A few cops on the overpass shooting laser at threel lanes of traffic and a dozen chase vehicles just after the overpass. Coming up over a rise you had no chance. Lucky I was listening to the CB so I knew it was coming up. We went to the right lane at the limit and had no peep from my passport.

I never saw that many cars pulled at one time.

My butt gets saved by:

cb radio 33%

radar detector 33%

eyes 33%

busted 1%

Of course I could ride responsibly and not worry B)

 
Everyone I know has been calling those "wolf packs". The overpass gunning has been done even prior to lidar. But it's the same basic deal: 1 vehicle shooting motorists and a pack chasing down the game when the shooter radios the next vehicle to be stopped.

In the USA radar jammers are a broadcast device and illegal to operate because the individual won't have the proper license. Laser jammers are still legal (drop a sheet of light across the front of the tag - the most common target - to scatter the lidar beam) but some states are upset about the reduced roadside taxation and a few are trying to pass legislation against them.

A good detector is still the most useful tool but it has to be used in conjunction with that space between the rider's ears since it's not a cloak of invisibility.

 
Once, on a hilly U.S. hiway (limited sight distance) a half-dozen vehicles were making good time at about 10-over. When the on-coming patrol radared the first guy; everyone slowed down while he turned around, passed everyone (then going at legal-speed), and pulled-over the lead guy. After the "sacraficial speeder" and cop were safely on the shoulder -- everone returned to 10-over. The cost of doing-business.....

Coincidentally, on the same road, I was speeding along alone one night in a Z-car with only some headlights in the mirror from time to time. Then the lights got closer and the red lights in the grille came on. At the window he said, "What kind of detector do you have?" I said, "Escort." He said, "They're good, but I was using VASCAR -- come back to the patrol car and I'll show you how it works." After the education, he said, "Will that be Visa or Mastercard?"

Old fashioned VASCAR t.s.d. computers emit no microwaves and are admissable as evidence to the judge.

 
at about 10-over.
With a few exceptions... just under 10-over seems to keep me out of trouble. I guess they're looking for the ten's digit to go up. I've passed city, county, state LEO's in many places at about 8 or 9 over and haven't been stopped. Except for that time in Harpersville, AL... whose motto has changed from "To Protect and Serve" to "To Watch and Wait". YMMV...
 
at about 10-over.
With a few exceptions... just under 10-over seems to keep me out of trouble. I guess they're looking for the ten's digit to go up. I've passed city, county, state LEO's in many places at about 8 or 9 over and haven't been stopped. Except for that time in Harpersville, AL... whose motto has changed from "To Protect and Serve" to "To Watch and Wait". YMMV...
Good luck. I got pulled over once for 3 over when heading westward on I10 in west tx/east nm. Only got a warning, but there ya go.

 
[bTW, when my brother was a patrolman his supervisor kept saying, “Officer Smith, have you lost your citation pad?”  To which my brother says, “I make more than 50 stops a week.”  His supervisor then replies, “Make sure that those stops result in tickets.”]
Whew! That's a relief! :clap:

I heard that LEOs have quotas of tickets they are supposed to meet every month. Naturally, every LEO agency in the nation denies it. <_<

So I'm really glad your brother-the-Leo didn't have to put up those quotas!!!! :D :blink:

 
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They don't call them "quotas" so they can then deny they have them. I had a friend explain to me how the shift boss (sgt?) would make it clear they were expected to make X "contacts" per shift. If they didn't then they were looking at poor performance ratings, lost promotions, and other sanctions. How do you document "contacts"? By writing citations, of course.

 
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