Performance Award in NE Oregon

Well, it was hour 11 in the saddle from Zion National Park in Utah, and happened to pass a Oregon State Trooper @ 82 in a 65 or so he says.

My question is:

Anyone have a referral for legal help to alleviate the ticket?

Or explain the circumstances by writing and hopefully pay a lesser fine? Will this ticket show up on my Washington state DMV driving record?

Don't mind paying the fine if it won't show up, thus not raising my insurance rates

BTW, happened just south of Baker City, Oregon

TIA,

Bryce

PS

Spent 6 days in Utah and saw the Timpanoga caves, drove through Capitol Reef state park, Escalante, 2days at Bryce, afternoon at the North Rim of the Grand Canyon, 2 days at Zion. Amazing Shit! Wish I had done this long ago, although I probably would not have appreciated it as much! Only saw 3 other FJR's during the trip :glare: Tons of Harleys and BMW's. I kinda felt like a lepper as people would not even talk to me :blink: I'm not that homely looking according to my Mommy.....

Washington and Oregon are compact states....most are any more....so yes it will show up. My experience in Washington is that 15+ over is a "major" in the eyes of insurance companies (or at least that's what PEMCO told me) and they may take away your birthday.

Explaining circumstances or "mitigigation" is a sucker bet in my opinion and never a substitute for contesting tickets. One can always explain mitigating circumstances if they're found guilty.

Depends if you want to put the time and effort to contest yourself...or money to have somebody do it. I don't know referrals because I'd personally contest, but then I put the time and effort in on these sorts of things and am 4 for 4 on contested tickets in WA and have a clean record since '91.

I have the same dilemma, after Skiwi got us in trouble with a dickhead member of the Kali Hi-trol. I will be contacting you soon Iggy about your previous successes.

DucatiSSsp said:

Well, it was hour 11 in the saddle from Zion National Park in Utah, and happened to pass a Oregon State Trooper @ 82 in a 65 or so he says.

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I am going to abstain from advice here, since I am an Oregon State Trooper.

Sorry about your misfortune.

SkooterG said:

I have the same dilemma, after Skiwi got us in trouble with a dickhead member of the Kali Hi-trol. I will be contacting you soon Iggy about your previous successes.

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Skoot -- send me a PM with the facts and I'll give you what I can on contesting California awards. I'm 2 for 2 with CHP written perf. awards in the last couple years. We have the trial by declaration option here. I'll explain a procedural tactic I use, and some arguments you might make on the facts for you and Skyway if you like. (Or just show up in Yosemite or Mammoth next weekend, instead.) But . . . you're stuck with the facts and what arguments they permit (e.g., you may have a lot better argument on a 55 in a 35 than you do on a 65 in a 55).**

** For something that is posted at a speed under 55, and depending upon what speed statute the LEO wrote you up under, you might have a unique California statutory "speed trap" argument for getting the ticket tossed.

SkooterG said:

I have the same dilemma, after Skiwi got us in trouble with a dickhead member of the Kali Hi-trol. I will be contacting you soon Iggy about your previous successes.

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Oh no! Does this mean Skyway's "I've never gotten a ticket since moving here." Story is now over!

vectervp1 said:

Oh no! Does this mean Skyway's "I've never gotten a ticket since moving here." Story is now over!

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Well, you could say that a certain highly agitated member of the CHP took his virginity. Almost took him to the pokey, too. Though there was no reason for it. Me, I got no threats of jail, just a lot of attitude to go along with my performance award.

exskibum said:

Skoot -- send me a PM with the facts and I'll give you what I can on contesting California awards. I'm 2 for 2 with CHP written perf. awards in the last couple years. We have the trial by declaration option here. I'll explain a procedural tactic I use, and some arguments you might make on the facts for you and Skyway if you like. (Or just show up in Yosemite or Mammoth next weekend, instead.) But . . . you're stuck with the facts and what arguments they permit (e.g., you may have a lot better argument on a 55 in a 35 than you do on a 65 in a 55).**

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Thanks for the offer. Will be taking you up on it when I get some time. Just returned from 6 days on the road at midnight last night. Your help is greatly appreciated.

Sorry about your misfortune. Might I ask what road you were on? I-84? 7? I'm in this area a couple times a year and any info on where they troll is welcome.

I've had good luck in this area of the country - our group whizzed past a trooper between Wasco and Condon a few years back doing a buck-something and only got the "slow down" flash of the lights. But I've heard the Oregon State Patrol has a new sheriff in town who is on a crackdown mission.

- Mark

DucatiSSsp said:

BTW, happened just south of Baker City, Oregon

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That stretch of I-84 between La Grande and Ontario has BRUTALLY UNFORGIVING patrols going on by the OSP. Lot's of long straight-aways where it's easy to inadvertently turn up the speed.... and with Oregon's current budget crisis, it's a safe bet you are not walking away with just a "warning". Oh, no; you can rest assured you will be hearing the classic line "Press hard; four copies" from your friendly state trooper.

Sorta glad I ran across this thread, as I have a Bun Burner GOLD 3000 planned for this weekend (depart tomorrow evening) that starts with a run from Tri-Cities, WA to Twin Falls, ID.... *right* through this stretch of road! :^( On a BBG ride, I'd rather not waste time chatting with a LEO. When I run that stretch of road, I try to lock the throttle at 69 mph, and settle back to study the V1 display, and just work hard at scanning for The Man. B)

Contact prosecutor office and see what kind of deal they will offer you with out showing up. I just dealt with a ticket in IN this way. Got a supervision for a few dollars more. Was cheaper then hiring a lawyer and will not go on the record if I play nice for the next 6 month.

cougar8000 said:

Contact prosecutor office and see what kind of deal they will offer you with out showing up. I just dealt with a ticket in IN this way. Got a supervision for a few dollars more. Was cheaper then hiring a lawyer and will not go on the record if I play nice for the next 6 month.

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This is always good advice. I don't think it works most of the time, but is always worth a shot. It will be one of the first things I do.

Interestingly, in my travels in Oregon in the past week I never saw even one Oregon trooper, nor not even one hit on the radar detector. But they must be out there as those Oregonians drive freaking slow! 10mph over the limit made me the fastest vehicle on the road, which not at all normal in my experience.

But as usual, 395 in northern Kali was heavily enforced, and my luck finally ran out.

SkooterG said:

But as usual, 395 in northern Kali was heavily enforced, and my luck finally ran out.

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Some would say your luck ran out a loooong time ago. Like perhaps when you decided an areal kamikaze raid on a playa in northern Nevada was in order! :rofl:

SkooterG said:

But as usual, 395 in northern Kali was heavily enforced, and my luck finally ran out.

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Where, exactly? We'll have The Fleet over there next week.

twowheelnut said:

SkooterG said:

But as usual, 395 in northern Kali was heavily enforced, and my luck finally ran out.

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Where, exactly? We'll have The Fleet over there next week.

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Litchfield. East of Susanville.

Ran across another one closer to the Oregon border, but he was being kind and running his radar in 'always on' mode so we were easily warned. The asshole got us about 10 miles north of Litchfield with 'Instant On' in the dark, and stopped us in that town with the aid of one of his buddies. I think his whole deal was that he assumed we were criminal biker trash that were going to run and treated us accordingly, even though we didn't give him any reason to.

I have been on 395 before in northern Kali, and it's generally pretty well patrolled by the CHP. Youse gots to be careful. I was always able to stay one step ahead of the game before (which sometimes mean just slowing down). But not anymore.

twowheelnut said:

SkooterG said:

But as usual, 395 in northern Kali was heavily enforced, and my luck finally ran out.

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Where, exactly? We'll have The Fleet over there next week.

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The stretch of 395 I expect to be on next Saturday and Sunday (between Mammoth and Sonora Pass (108)) probably isn't as bad as where the boys got popped. I was living over there for a couple year stint (South Lake Tahoe and Gardnerville) until last August, and rode that area regularly. There's a CHP substation in Bridgeport, and I would regularly and often see them from Bridgeport north almost to Walker, but much more rarely south of Bridgeport, or at least, south of Virginia Lakes Road. Don't know why that is, but on Tioga Pass and most of 395 and 49, I intend to keep my nose clean to avoid performance awards. For some reason, Sonora Pass has been a place where I have seldom seen LEOs much between Arnold and 395, but they can be thick down below 2500 feet. Don't think I've ever seen one on Monitor Pass, nor on Ebbetts (4) east of Bear Valley. Carson Pass (88) presents the possibility of LEO enforcement all along it, but for the most heavily speed enforced Sierra pass award: Lord knows that Tioga Pass (120) in the Nat'l Park is one of the more popular venues for tithing your federal government.

Warchild said:

DucatiSSsp said:

BTW, happened just south of Baker City, Oregon

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That stretch of I-84 between La Grande and Ontario has BRUTALLY UNFORGIVING patrols going on by the OSP. Lot's of long straight-aways where it's easy to inadvertently turn up the speed.... and with Oregon's current budget crisis, it's a safe bet you are not walking away with just a "warning". Oh, no; you can rest assured you will be hearing the classic line "Press hard; four copies" from your friendly state trooper.

Sorta glad I ran across this thread, as I have a Bun Burner GOLD 3000 planned for this weekend (depart tomorrow evening) that starts with a run from Tri-Cities, WA to Twin Falls, ID.... *right* through this stretch of road! :^( On a BBG ride, I'd rather not waste time chatting with a LEO. When I run that stretch of road, I try to lock the throttle at 69 mph, and settle back to study the V1 display, and just work hard at scanning for The Man. B)

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you getting the sponsors updated on the website before you do that BBG? h34r:

SkooterG said:

Litchfield. East of Susanville.

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That sucks. I really hate 395 ..especially north of Reno and even up to Lakeview they're out to get you.Hindsight is always easy ..but remember our friend Gerlach is another option for heading north and will get you as far as Alturas with much less LEO anxiety than 395 (and it's more fun). Sorry to hear of the pricks ..it is funny how it can vary, but if you're a CHP officer stationed in susanville, it means that tha world is out to get you and you're going to try to make everyone as miserable as you are. I wish they would just take that place off the map. Susanville is proof that god does make mistakes.

exskibum said:

There's a CHP substation in Bridgeport, and I would regularly and often see them from Bridgeport north almost to Walker, but much more rarely south of Bridgeport, or at least, south of Virginia Lakes Road.

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+1 (oops forgot that's not kewl anymore)Yes, be careful north of Bridgeport, and lately they've been real persistent through the canyon (north of 108 to Walker). Not sure why, but yes, seems that you see them more in the lower elevations than way up on the passes. Weekend after memorial day in the park? (Yosemite), better just park it in 2nd gear behind the motorhomes and behave yourselves. No real advice for 395 south of Lee vining ..I've never had troube ..but I watch it pretty close especially near the towns (independence, Lone Pine etc etc etc.

I appreciate my little +40 encounter even more (back in 2001). US95, S of Burns Junction just as I was cresting a hill, 2 state patrol SUV's chatting to each other in a recess in the mountain, off to the right of the road. They nailed me with instant on. I dropped anchor and worried about jail time for the next 50 miles (to the state line). Thankfully I wasn't associated with any event or rally. But still, it wasn't until I was in NV that I quit worrying.

Don't know about how it works in Oregon, but in Fl, the defense attorney will continually ask for more time, or another court date until the officer doesn't show up. They often have to make 4-5 appearances, but when the cop doesn't show, ticket is dropped. Sometimes they can also ask to have it amended down to non-moving violation, but that all depends on the judge, driving record, and the offense.