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People want to do wheelies on the freeway, that's fine. Don't bother me a bit.

What chaps my *** more than anything is people on the road who don't give a fat f**k about anyone else. In a cage or on a bike, I don't care. Those guys were the definition of asshats with the rolling road block.

 
Well, thank you Flyguy for being the only one here that answered all my questions...(3 times..)

Yes folks, those were questions and not intended as statements of facts.

There to get a response or invoke some more discussion...

The whole little story however exsists here only because someone happend to vidieo tape it . Crap like this occours everywhere ...I see squids pulling this **** out here on the interstate too...and the real question , not ones seeking self enlightenment or deep thoughts....

Is what are WE suppossed to do about it?

I am sure lecturing kids will stop this activity, or pointing out the dangers, or just sitting back and waiting for the police to stop it as they are everywhere all the time.

Perhaps all of you that find this behavior so intollerable will step forward with a good solution....

KM

 
SUV's get a bad rap due to being bigger than a car. Accident makes the news?....SUV kills 3. Bad journalism.

Motorcycles still have the shadow of being loud and unsafe, etc., etc., etc. Like the previous reply said, let's not make it worse. News at 6:00..."Biker did this or biker did that, blah, blah, blah.

2-wheel speeding on the highway while commuting is bad enough for the cagers to form an opinion (I slip up, sorry. Too easy.) Keep the stunting bikes on a private display.

I've been watching You-tube video's this spring. Go ahead and punch in any search query, such as bike wheelies or fjr or terminal velocity. The idiots from around the world that one can see is awful. 150mph on a public highway is the norm. Had one bike-mounted video in Europe? that showed keeping up with a friend at full speed but went wide in a turn and did a head-on with other bike. Fatalities for sure. Made me actually upset for the next 24 hours to have seen that death through the drivers eyes.

Anyway: Safe and Sane is a good motto.

 
i see 2 things that need to happen.

until the sportbike community starts looking down on them for this and deems it "not cool", this won't go away. it has to come from peer pressure within their own community. and i personally don't see that happening until a significant number of them die from doing this. when they start losing friends, maybe they'll rethink their behavior. and since this hasn't happened yet, i don't know if it ever will.

or

the police need to crack down on this like they did streetracing in the past few years. streetracing isn't prevalent here in DFW but from what i read/saw at the time, it seemed to help. money and jail time should do all the talking. one big bust of a group like this may make them rethink rolling in large groups and blocking traffic.

 
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....... what are WE suppossed to do about it?
I am sure lecturing kids will stop this activity, or pointing out the dangers, or just sitting back and waiting for the police to stop it as they are everywhere all the time.

Perhaps all of you that find this behavior so intollerable will step forward with a good solution....

KM
1) I don't think WE can do anything about it, at least not directly. Lecturing those who participate in this behavior on public roadways is probably 90% fruitless. They are trapped in their "youth", and the attendant attitudes about life, regardless of their physical age.

WE probably don't hold much sway with the sport bike crowd. I appreciate all machinery and enjoy all motorcycling but riding at 8/10 or 9/10 is not something I easily relate to. Also, at my age, I don't necessarily relate well to 20-something riders using the public highways as a race track or performance stage. I don't know that the type of rider we are discussing spends a lot of time on websites or that they are organized like the FJR community. One would home that Michelle's comment about their own peer pressure will happen, but more likely the sadness and grief will pass and it will be back to "riding as usual".

The police will only stop this when the outcry from the citizenry raises to such a level that there will be broad "sweeps" and all fully faired motorcycles could be caught up in that solution. The average person doesn't see the difference between a GSXR and an FJR.

2) The best I, as an individual, can do is to be as good a representative of motorcycling as I can. This would include my ability to relate with my family (close and extended), my work place and generally the citizens with which I come in personal contact with every day regarding my passion about riding motorcycles. This would include the courses I take, the books I read, the application of riding theory and practice, my willingness to dress in a prepared fashion (ATGATT), etc. That is the image I can project and that is the image I want the general motoring public to see and remember.

3) I don't know that I see the behavior as intolerable, but I certainly view it as dangerous, unnecessary on the public roadways and at least being the basis for bad relations and opinions from motorists. God knows things are bad enough without this added impetus for excusing bad driving on both sides.

 
I live in Indiana,and a guy that I work with has tried to convince me that there is no law that makes it illegal to ride wheelies on public streets or highways. He says that as long as you dont break the posted speed limit the only law against it is the fact that your head light is too high. I tend to believe he's full of crap! There may not be a specific law that makes wheelying illegal but, the simple act of not having the front wheel on the ground makes it an act of reckless driving.

 
The roads are so full of morons of all stripes these days that I really don't pay attention any more unless one of them appears to be in the position to directly affect me in one way or another. Endless conversations, laws, programs, groups, agencies, blogs, papers, studies, targeted enforcements, and still the idiocy continues unabated, reaching new heights every year. I just avoid, ignore, accelerate, and enjoy doing my own thing. If before I kak, there is a smooth winding road, gas stations every 180 miles with my brand of smokes, Walgreens, a few Chipoltes, and some Holiday Inns, I would so quickly toss Frank into a shuttle and you could all write me at

Radman

1 Ray Walston Drive

Mars 59666

 
Just got back from a nice ride. Saw 4 sport bikes weaving in/out of a string of cars, at high speed, and on a curve. The car in front of me just about had a new hood ornament, but swerved to the shoulder just in time.

I flipped the off! Was that wrong of me? F'n A-holes!

On the bright side they were all wearing helmets!

 
1) I don't think WE can do anything about it, at least not directly. Lecturing those who participate in this behavior on public roadways is probably 90% fruitless.
Agreed.

They are trapped in their "youth", and the attendant attitudes about life, regardless of their physical age.
True - as most of us were at "that" age.

I don't know that the type of rider we are discussing spends a lot of time on websites or that they are organized like the FJR community.
I spend a lot of time on a lot of web sites. "that type of rider" is just as organized as we are here.

The police will only stop this when the outcry from the citizenry raises to such a level that there will be broad "sweeps" and all fully faired motorcycles could be caught up in that solution. The average person doesn't see the difference between a GSXR and an FJR.
That's going to be the biggest impact the (coming) laws will have - it *won't* affect just the foolish.

3) I don't know that I see the behavior as intolerable, but I certainly view it as dangerous, unnecessary on the public roadways and at least being the basis for bad relations and opinions from motorists. God knows things are bad enough without this added impetus for excusing bad driving on both sides.
+1

 
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Perhaps I am missing the point here, but is doing a wheelie really make riding a motorcycle any less safer?
Yes.

If it takes a certain amount of skill do ride a bike on one wheel at 70 mph without crashing...can it really be called reckless driving??
"Reckless driving" is defined (and enforced) by the police. Only their definition matters in this legal sense.

but other than image what is the real impact here?
Have you ever seen the damage a bike can do to other vehicles on the interstate when the wheelie "fails" at 70mph?

How would you judge this compared to say, a pack of Harleys with straight pipes riding through a residental area?
The former is obviously dangerous. The latter is at the least rude. No real comparison.

if some numb nut splatters himself on the pavement from doing some silly "stunt" on his bike, how does that really effect me?
Would you feel different if said "numbnut" took out you or someone you know/love while doing his "silly stunts"? And just because it doesn't effect you, doesn't make it any less wrong.

Considering how many drivers are busy texting on their cell phones while driving their car and no one can see that activity, or how many drinks they had prior...seems to me the wheelies done by a select few are of little concequence.
Texting/drinking and driving are also done by "a select few" and look at the damage caused by those activities.

Even though only a "select few" engage in the activity it still negatively affects the community as a whole in any number of ways.

 
True - as most of us were at "that" age.
Absolutely! I wasn't speaking to indict anyone but merely making an observation based on the experiences of my own youth....that I somehow survived.

I don't know that the type of rider we are discussing spends a lot of time on websites or that they are organized like the FJR community.
I spend a lot of time on a lot of web sites. "that the type of rider" is just as organized as we are here.
Then, it sounds to me like you are in a unique position to comment to both sides of this issue and maybe explain to them that WE aren't disrespectful of them, as a group, but are more concerned with the viewpoint of the average voting citizen who drives a car and witnesses their behavior. Accidents and mistakes DO happen and the results aren't usually very pretty. Most of the sport bike guys aren't going to listen to an old guy like me. I do, however, enjoy talking with the "stunters" I have as customers knowing that they don't ride like that on the street but belong to clubs or gatherings that use empty parking lots to practice their tricks and impress one another with their talents and abilities. THAT is an attitude I respect and talent I am in awe of.

 
Then, it sounds to me like you are in a unique position to comment to both sides of this issue and maybe explain to them that WE aren't disrespectful of them, as a group, but are more concerned with the viewpoint of the average voting citizen who drives a car and witnesses their behavior.
I used to try but to be completely honest, the (relatively) few sport bike riders who do stunt at high speeds on interstates don't give a damn what "we" say or what "we" think of them. Think of them as sport bike equivalents of "The 'One-Percenters'".

Some might say it's just the same "youthful rebellion" most of us went through at that age. It's just more public, faster, "reckless" and potentially dangerous.

Accidents and mistakes DO happen
Not to these guys. Remember these guys are invincible - nothing hurts them and they'll live forever...

Most of the sport bike guys aren't going to listen to an old guy like me.
The guys we're talking about aren't going to listen to *anybody* - old, young or anything in between.

I do, however, enjoy talking with the "stunters" I have as customers knowing that they don't ride like that on the street but belong to clubs or gatherings that use empty parking lots to practice their tricks and impress one another with their talents and abilities. THAT is an attitude I respect and talent I am in awe of.
Agreed. Those are the guys we can learn stuff from.

 
...... Have you ever seen the damage a bike can do to other vehicles on the interstate when the wheelie "fails" at 70mph?

Sorry, had to pick this one out.

No, I have not seen the damage to other vehicles on the interstate when a wheelie "fails"...And just about everyone I asked has not seen it either.

The reason is because this type of damage would be called "rare"...the odds of your car being damaged by a biker messing up is likely a hundred times less than the other way around.

I even asked local cop here and he has never seen any car damaged by a "wheelie gone bad" ..on the interstate. He has heard of parked cars on sidestreets getting damaged from stunters.

These riders are breaking the law ..be it "reckless driving" or "creating a public nuisance"

And I am sure there is no member here that has broken a traffic law...

(passing that mini van at 100 mph likely gets the same response from the driver.. ("Crazy Bikers!!")

And sorry, but the straight pipes on the HD sitting next to him at the traffic light gets the same responce too...(*******...)

So let's not say that stunters are the only ones pervaying a negative image to car drivers.

Sorry, I'm with Radman on this one.

KM

 
...... Have you ever seen the damage a bike can do to other vehicles on the interstate when the wheelie "fails" at 70mph?
No, I have not seen the damage to other vehicles on the interstate when a wheelie "fails"...And just about everyone I asked has not seen it either.
I've seen it - it's not pretty to all involved.

 
I live in Indiana,and a guy that I work with has tried to convince me that there is no law that makes it illegal to ride wheelies on public streets or highways. He says that as long as you dont break the posted speed limit the only law against it is the fact that your head light is too high. I tend to believe he's full of crap! There may not be a specific law that makes wheelying illegal but, the simple act of not having the front wheel on the ground makes it an act of reckless driving.
He's full of crap all right. Ask yourself what a cop would do if he saw a CAR doing a wheelie down the street (it's possible, I guess). Duh.

I've commented in this forum that I don't want to see any m/c go down or any rider hurt, but I admit I was kind of pulling for that one moron in the diamond lane who had his (one) wheel on the fog line to go just a bit farther to the left. Just enough to get a nice long-lasting road rash souvenir. I'm afraid it's just another aspect of the decline in civility you see everywhere. I guess I'm a victim of the same thinking myself. When I read CRMH Eagle's comment just above, I didn't feel a surge of revulsion about somebody doing just what he suggested. I think I'd have been damn tempted myself.

 
.........I admit I was kind of pulling for that one moron in the diamond lane who had his (one) wheel on the fog line to go just a bit farther to the left. Just enough to get a nice long-lasting road rash souvenir.
Well if that aint a FU'd attitude toward another rider.

So far in this thread we've seen riders wishing harm on other riders, an officer calling them "fuckheads" and an assortment of insults toward these fellow riders and others wishing them harm, some wanting to personally cause it. ....and me thinks the hypocracy of what is good for the sport is deafening.

Scariest thing I've seen on our public roadways? ---- WFO Reno when a hurd of maladroid, fat and old phuckers riding FJR's were attempting to navigate hwy 4 through the sierras. Many of these guys were 2-up, many for what seemed like the first time doing so, many on a road that they should not have been on and many on a bike they shouldn't have been on. Stumbling all over the highway. Saw two almost drop it when their passenger attempted to get on the bike. Many were wide in blind turns and the like causing others, incuding myself to make wild maneuvers for safety on the dangerous road. We ended up letting this dangerous fleet of FJR guys go on by ..for our own safety. Never wished them harm, likey instead said a little prayer for their safety -they needed it. Never called the police, but did consider calling the hospital because there was no doubt a few would likely be putting themselves and/or others there. Never considered personally causing them harm out of animosity. Wouldn't have taken much more than saying "boo" to put them over the edge as they were way out above their skill level on this road.

I've seen and even partaken in some crazy, dangerous **** on bikes, but nothing compared to that day watching these FJR guys up in the sierras on hwy 4. And now that group is ripping some skilled riders doing wheelies LOL LOL LOL can you say hypocracy??

This time of year here in the sierras, we see our hospitals and morgue get busy with motorcyclist. Not surprising, most are unskilled old men who often injure or kill their unsuspecting passenger on the way to doing the same to themselves ....all in an attempt to be cool. It is these old guys who seem to worry more about being cool than the younger generation of quick reflexes and strength.

As far as these wheellie guys ....ya, not smart, but put me on the list who has done dumber at one time or another. I can't pull wheelies like the impressive ones in the video, but if I could I'd be doin' it. Likely not on I-5 ...but if I felt the timing was right ....hmmm.

We hear again and again: "Ride your own ride" and I guess that doesn't apply to the people who post here as it seems their motto is : "Ride the way I want you to ride". Yet more hypocracy.

-As far as the chick in the video calling 911. Pretty sure it's that fat little ***** from 4th grade who always ran to the principal when someone did a powerslide on their bicycle up to the bicycle rack. I see she hasn't changed.

Impressive wheelies guys .....good luck not getting caught and nice move keeping steady speed and politely blocking wayward cagers from getting in the mix and causing problems

.....for example -like the guy who posted here wanting to run you off the road in his 4runner. Your accidents won't likey be a result of your skillful riding, but rather caused by the animosity of someone like that fellow.

Man O Man what a bunch of nasty phucks on this thread.

Riding his own ride and wishing he could wheellie like those guys ....renojohn

 
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A little courtesy to the rest of the motorbike community wouldn't have gone astray.

Wheelie in an industrial area at 4am on a Sunday morning in the middle of nowhere = relatively safe for general public.

Wheelie down major traffic route, in traffic, and allowing yourself to be videotaped doing it = you prick, you're raising my premiums, and if you crash you're going to make all the traffic on the I-5 slow down even more (which for my daily commute means that it goes from mind-numbingly slow to I-want-to-slam-my-head-against-a-wall slow).

I have no problem with people doing wheelies, but there's a time and a place for everything. I love watching the guys in an abandoned industrial area show off their skills. Those guys on the I-5 though - I wouldn't ride with them, and preferrably not near them either. Are wheelies dangerous? Usually just to the rider, but I've never seen someone emergency stop faster than me while doing a wheelie.

On the bright side, I bet no one tried to merge with them.

 
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...We hear again and again: "Ride your own ride" and I guess that doesn't apply to the people who post here as it seems their motto is : "Ride the way I want you to ride". Yet more hypocracy......
.....Man O Man what a bunch of nasty phucks on this thread...............


I'd have to agree here. As bad as the image of motorcyclists may be (in the eyes of some) in the general public, I always felt my life on two wheels as a US AGAINST THEM kind of thing, and never ever would wish any harm to any fellow rider, no matter how foolish his or her actions. And would just on general principles , alway wish to take the side of my brother or sister, even if I knew they might be wrong.

There will always be those that perhaps do not portray the image WE particularly wish was presented, but as a fellow rider we should still feel some kinship, or at least give some benifit of doubt that perhaps in their eyes at that time, things did not seem out of hand.

Some of the comments here do make me feel I am not in the presence of fellow bikers, but a bunch of old men driving buicks instead.

Folks also seem to get chastised here for not wearing ATGATT , not knowing how to search , or just asking typical newbie questions.

Granted , some of it is in fun...an some of it is a matter of "tough love" ...but some of it really just seems to be crap I'd expect to hear at the retirement home........

KM

 
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