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SkooterG

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Yesterday I was at my local Yammie dealer. Small place, only the husband and wife work there. He's a good wrench. A bit opinionated, but knowledgeable and a damned nice guy.

Anyhoose, he brought up the new AE FJR. So here's some more mental masturbation until we can get the real thing with multiple real world experiences.

When he first heard about it, he didn't think too highly of it. But now, he thinks its pretty cool. Why? Well, first off, he recently attended some technical orientation for dealers given by Yamaha. So now he learned all about it and how its supposed to work. Nothing really new from what we know, or that Tony O has reported I don't think.

Second, he spoke in length with the regional rep. Apparently this regional rep has been riding one of the AE FJRs for a while now. Secondhand story goes like this: The rep was skeptical of the technology, but since getting his FJR AE has been totally convinced. He's been flogging the crap out of bike, trying to break it, or at least find out if it does anything funky at any certain point, but I guess it works smooth as butta. Apparently the rep is actually going to buy this bike for his personal stable his is so impressed by it. Not something that happens often, as the reps can ride a brand new bike every couple months apparently. Some other points brought out:

- Even if battery is dead, there is a linkage you can operate with your hand or a wrench to get it back in neutral.

- There is a completely separate computer from the main ECU used to run the auto-clutch system. That and a bunch of new sensors. Actuators used are $$$$, so hope none go out while not under warranty. Auto clutch system also ties into the ABS system to make sure you never lock the rear wheel from downshifting.

- I asked about parking lot speeds. He told me it's easier at those speeds than with a conventional bike, as the computer will feather the clutch all day long, whereas, that takes more skill by hand, and can be tiring. Personally, this is the one area where I am a little skeptical and can't wait to try one myself.

- Still can ride like a hooligan. Rate of clutch engagement is based on throttle position, so if you WFO the throttle from a dead stop, its going to engage the clutch quickly, and will apparently spin the rear.

- As I mentioned earlier, apparently this system has been well thought out and designed well. The system won't let you do anything unsafe, but doesn't take a lot of the control away from you. And doesn't do anything weird. It will let you be stupid, however. For example, he mentioned if you come to a stop at a light and forget to downshift from 5th gear. When its time to go, and you give it the throttle, the bike will go forward, but veeeery slowly, while slipping the clutch to kingdom come. Can you say D'oh, Bart! It won't kill the engine, like most of us would do in that situation.

- The rep says its just a blast to use. Big increase to the fun factor.

- He also mentioned that with the linked brakes, the rear lever engages such a small portion of the front brakes that it shouldn't be much of an issue.

So there you go. Flame-on.

 
Thanks for the info Skoot. I can't wait to ride FJRockets this summer. Matt, you are going to let me ride it aren't you??? ;) smitty

 
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Thanks for the info Skoot. I can't wait to ride FJRockets this summer. Matt, you are going to let me ride it aren't you??? ;) smitty
I have a ride promised as well. I don't plan on floggin' it though.

 
Good job scoot. That is pretty much what I heard from the tech that trained all the dealers at Daytona when I was there.

 
Has anyone else wondered why Yamaha did not include a complete auto function? You would think the electronics would be capable, I can't imagine it adding much in the way of cost to include a switch to select between manual and auto.

IMO, the AE would have been much better with this option. There's a real advantage to not having to mess around with the clutch when in traffic, getting caught on the highway in traffic can be a real pain, one that the AE already will make much easier. I would think that a full blown auto mode would be cool as well in many situations. The FJR already has loads of power, I guess it's not overly necessary to add more in the way of performance. Having said that, the option of an auto tranny that downshifted from 5th to 3rd in about 1/100 of a second for a fast pass would be the coolest thing since sliced bread if you asked me.

The only thing I can think of would be the engineers thought it would be too fast.

 
One question still burns in my mind:

How will a group of people who are can't remember to properly deploy their sidestand before leaving the bike have any hope at all of properly operating the auto-clutch system?

Get ready for the "how the hell does this damn thing work" threads.... :D

 
One question still burns in my mind:
How will a group of people who are can't remember to properly deploy their sidestand before leaving the bike have any hope at all of properly operating the auto-clutch system?

Get ready for the "how the hell does this damn thing work" threads.... :D
:rolf:

 
Thanks for the info Skoot. I can't wait to ride  FJRockets this summer.  Matt, you are going to let me ride it aren't you???   ;)    smitty
I have a ride promised as well. I don't plan on floggin' it though.
Don't we all get to ride it? ;)
I think I'll sell tickets to ride mine.

The owner of the local BMW dealership asked for a ride.

Nice write-up. Thanks for sharing.

Waiting sucks.

 
One question still burns in my mind:
How will a group of people who are can't remember to properly deploy their sidestand before leaving the bike have any hope at all of properly operating the auto-clutch system?

Get ready for the "how the hell does this damn thing work" threads.... :D
I was standing in the parking lot at Daytona during bikeweek and a guy on a harley pulled up and started talking. He was demoing a clutchless bike from one of the vendors there.

He was all excited about not having to use a clutch. You should have seen him taking off and slowing down then repeating the process. Finally he got a small bit of rubber and took off for good. Sombody done stole Yamaha's design LOLROF!

 
- Even if battery is dead, there is a linkage you can operate with your hand or a wrench to get it back in neutral.
I TOLD YOU SO !!!!

 
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Thanks for the info Skoot. I can't wait to ride  FJRockets this summer.  Matt, you are going to let me ride it aren't you???  ;)   smitty
Uh, yeah. Of course, Smitty. But you'd better still have that Gixxer so I can ride YOURS!

I wonder if you can start the AE in neutral. I have an auto clutch on my 250. If you aren't in neutral and start it, when you goose it a little to help it catch, ummm, you'd better not have the bike pointed in a precarious direction. Don't ask how I know. Major DUH factor.

And getting used to neutral at the bottom is going to be hard. 1 down and 4 or 5 up for better'n 35 years is going to be hard to unlearn.

Thanks for the report, Scoot!

 
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One question still burns in my mind:
How will a group of people who are can't remember to properly deploy their sidestand before leaving the bike have any hope at all of properly operating the auto-clutch system?

Get ready for the "how the hell does this damn thing work" threads.... :D
I was standing in the parking lot at Daytona during bikeweek and a guy on a harley pulled up and started talking. He was demoing a clutchless bike from one of the vendors there.

He was all excited about not having to use a clutch. You should have seen him taking off and slowing down then repeating the process. Finally he got a small bit of rubber and took off for good. Sombody done stole Yamaha's design LOLROF!
He was probably riding a Ridley.

 
Has anyone else wondered why Yamaha did not include a complete auto function? You would think the electronics would be capable, I can't imagine it adding much in the way of cost to include a switch to select between manual and auto.
IMO, the AE would have been much better with this option. There's a real advantage to not having to mess around with the clutch when in traffic, getting caught on the highway in traffic can be a real pain, one that the AE already will make much easier. I would think that a full blown auto mode would be cool as well in many situations. The FJR already has loads of power, I guess it's not overly necessary to add more in the way of performance. Having said that, the option of an auto tranny that downshifted from 5th to 3rd in about 1/100 of a second for a fast pass would be the coolest thing since sliced bread if you asked me.

The only thing I can think of would be the engineers thought it would be too fast.
I still do not like the idea of the control being taken away. Buuuuuut, I do agree with you. Why not go the extra little bit and let the thing shift itself. Now that is utility and would add to the usefullness.

-BD

 
Has anyone else wondered why Yamaha did not include a complete auto function? You would think the electronics would be capable, I can't imagine it adding much in the way of cost to include a switch to select between manual and auto.
IMO, the AE would have been much better with this option. There's a real advantage to not having to mess around with the clutch when in traffic, getting caught on the highway in traffic can be a real pain, one that the AE already will make much easier. I would think that a full blown auto mode would be cool as well in many situations. The FJR already has loads of power, I guess it's not overly necessary to add more in the way of performance. Having said that, the option of an auto tranny that downshifted from 5th to 3rd in about 1/100 of a second for a fast pass would be the coolest thing since sliced bread if you asked me.

The only thing I can think of would be the engineers thought it would be too fast.
I still do not like the idea of the control being taken away. Buuuuuut, I do agree with you. Why not go the extra little bit and let the thing shift itself. Now that is utility and would add to the usefullness.

-BD
Cuz thats where the job starts getting dicey. Ever seen a valve body out of the trans? 99% of the passages are there to eliminate having to move a lever or push a button. Electronic controls that are truly intuitive are still rarer than hens teeth. Even Yurps finest (Tiptronic) ultimately relies on a human to know what gear and when. ;)

 
My first bike was an automatic...

Actually it was a borrowed mini-bike with a centrifugal clutch but back then I thought it was terrific. Shift? Who needed to shift? Just WOT, man!

 
Has anyone else wondered why Yamaha did not include a complete auto function? You would think the electronics would be capable, I can't imagine it adding much in the way of cost to include a switch to select between manual and auto.
IMO, the AE would have been much better with this option. There's a real advantage to not having to mess around with the clutch when in traffic, getting caught on the highway in traffic can be a real pain, one that the AE already will make much easier. I would think that a full blown auto mode would be cool as well in many situations. The FJR already has loads of power, I guess it's not overly necessary to add more in the way of performance. Having said that, the option of an auto tranny that downshifted from 5th to 3rd in about 1/100 of a second for a fast pass would be the coolest thing since sliced bread if you asked me.

The only thing I can think of would be the engineers thought it would be too fast.
I still do not like the idea of the control being taken away. Buuuuuut, I do agree with you. Why not go the extra little bit and let the thing shift itself. Now that is utility and would add to the usefullness.

-BD
Cuz thats where the job starts getting dicey. Ever seen a valve body out of the trans? 99% of the passages are there to eliminate having to move a lever or push a button. Electronic controls that are truly intuitive are still rarer than hens teeth. Even Yurps finest (Tiptronic) ultimately relies on a human to know what gear and when. ;)
Oh please. The bike has three computers and can probably calculate fluid dynamics faster than the machine I'm typing on. Your talking about a mechanical machine - the equivalent of a punchcard computer. The algorithm is not difficult: look at the TPS, look at the engine tach, cross reference to a gear table, add in the hysteresis, dishes are done.

A choice was made not to include this. Pick a reason why, but engineering inability ain't one of 'em. It is 2006, ya know!?!

-BD

 
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