2016 NFL Playoffs & Superbowl

[yamafitter]

Grab a Jamison and take the edge off.

JSNS

See we are pretty the same after all, you and I, except I know something about beer.

If you like Budweiser, I'd question that too!

OTOH, if you lean toward Guinness and Trappist ale....

Beer is very subjective depending on palate. I remember when FredW was singing the praises of Sam Adams Cranberry Ale and I wouldn't water my lawn with that junk. I also have a number of friends that love Guinness but I just find it a little too heavy for my liking. Trappist on the other hand is one very tasty brew. To each their own and there are no correct answers other than Budweiser has no flavour and you need to drink an entire case to get a buzz.

I must say what a difference one game makes. On Saturday according to the sports media Cam Newton could walk on water and by Sunday night he was a bum. Live by the hype die by the hype I guess. Just a sign of the times. The media crowd made Newton to be the next messiah and when things didn't go Carolina's way the media needed a scapegoat otherwise all the talking heads would look like idiots.

 

[Big Sky]

You can't blame the media - entirely - for the messiah complex or for the subsequent crucifixion. The pseudo messiah has to believe it, too. And most will actively, aggressively foster and nurture the media image. Newton's pregame interview was an unbelievable and disgusting ego trip. His rolling around on the sideline and balling was worse. Messiahs accept their fate with grace and dignity. Newton has a lot to learn about grace and dignity, but he was handed a real learning opportunity Sunday.

 

[Fred W]

Give me a friggen break. I have never sung the praises of Sam Adams Cranberry Lambic. It is a piss poor attempt by the Boston Brewing Company (who do not even brew their beer in Boston, BTW) to fool people into thinking it is an actual lambic, which that beer is not. You can't make a lambic without using brettanomyces bacteria, and that beer has none. But a true lambic is a powerfully flavorful sour beer that most people would not really care for either.

I also never said that I like Budweiser. I don't. It is a bland, tasteless, boring beer, as many others have said. It is, however, well made, and it is actually difficult to make a beer that is so lightly flavored without any discernible faults. That is what I said.

 

[Intech]

Give me a friggen break. I have never sung the praises of Sam Adams Cranberry Lambic. It is a piss poor attempt by the Boston Brewing Company (who do not even brew their beer in Boston, BTW) to fool people into thinking it is an actual lambic, which that beer is not. You can't make a lambic without using brettanomyces bacteria, and that beer has none. But a true lambic is a powerfully flavorful sour beer that most people would not really care for either.
I also never said that I like Budweiser. I don't. It is a bland, tasteless, boring beer, as many others have said. It is, however, well made, and it is actually difficult to make a beer that is so lightly flavored without any discernible faults. That is what I said.

Yup! Fredweiser!

 

[yamafitter]

You can't blame the media - entirely - for the messiah complex or for the subsequent crucifixion. The pseudo messiah has to believe it, too. And most will actively, aggressively foster and nurture the media image. Newton's pregame interview was an unbelievable and disgusting ego trip. His rolling around on the sideline and balling was worse. Messiahs accept their fate with grace and dignity. Newton has a lot to learn about grace and dignity, but he was handed a real learning opportunity Sunday.

What you say is very true but the whole aura around Newton would not have gotten as far as it did without the sports media's role. I would point out that it was not Cam Newton that voted himself league MVP. I'm not a fan of the bragado and the nonsense that Newton displayed on in the run up to the game but it certainly made for some decent ratings at 111.9 million putting the 2016 version in 3rd place for Superbowl games.

It is a piss poor attempt by the Boston Brewing Company (who do not even brew their beer in Boston, BTW) to fool people into thinking it is an actual lambic, which that beer is not. You can't make a lambic without using brettanomyces bacteria, and that beer has none. But a true lambic is a powerfully flavorful sour beer that most people would not really care for either.

Depends on how much of a Puritan you want to be. Open air fermentation is the traditional way to make Lambics and there are over eighty microorganisms that have been identified in Belgium Lambics the most significant being Saccharomyces cerevisiae, Saccharomyces pastorianus and Brettanomyces bruxellensis (source Wikipedia). Most of these organisms however have been identified as being introduced from the cooling vessels that are normally made of wood and not the open air. However it is the cooling method of exposing the wort to the open air that is considered a critical feature in the making of Lambic.

Both Fred and I are in agreement that Sam Adams failed in their attempt to pass off Cranberry Lambic as an acceptable brew.

Just as a point of information most would find unblended Lambics to be extremely sour. Most brewers blend the Lambics with fruits or "cheat" with fruit juices to reduce the sourness.

 

[Big Sky]

You can't blame the media - entirely - for the messiah complex or for the subsequent crucifixion. The pseudo messiah has to believe it, too. And most will actively, aggressively foster and nurture the media image. Newton's pregame interview was an unbelievable and disgusting ego trip. His rolling around on the sideline and balling was worse. Messiahs accept their fate with grace and dignity. Newton has a lot to learn about grace and dignity, but he was handed a real learning opportunity Sunday.

What you say is very true but the whole aura around Newton would not have gotten as far as it did without the sports media's role. I would point out that it was not Cam Newton that voted himself league MVP. I'm not a fan of the bragado and the nonsense that Newton displayed on in the run up to the game but it certainly made for some decent ratings at 111.9 million putting the 2016 version in 3rd place for Superbowl games.

And I agree with what you said. We should never forget that this is really an entertainment industry. It's business. No entertainment?; no audience, no ratings, no sponsors, no $billions in sold ads, no $millions for endorsements, no sold-out stadiums, no $15 beer sold, etc. Get yourself in the media spotlight and work to stay there and, with good sense, you can retire very early and very nicely; maybe become a sportscaster/commentator?

 

[Uncle Hud]

Newton is very talented, which will be borne out over the next few seasons. I hope he matures some, but it is great to see somebody enjoying the game simply by playing it.

 

[yanktar]

You can't blame the media - entirely - for the messiah complex or for the subsequent crucifixion. The pseudo messiah has to believe it, too. And most will actively, aggressively foster and nurture the media image. Newton's pregame interview was an unbelievable and disgusting ego trip. His rolling around on the sideline and balling was worse. Messiahs accept their fate with grace and dignity. Newton has a lot to learn about grace and dignity, but he was handed a real learning opportunity Sunday.

He certainly has a lot of maturing to do. Hopefully, this loss will turn him into the truly great QB I think he can be, by teaching him some real humility. As a NY Jet fan, it was tough to tolerate Geno Smith, with all of Cam Newton's ego but none of his ability.

 

[yanktar]

Give me a friggen break. I have never sung the praises of Sam Adams Cranberry Lambic. It is a piss poor attempt by the Boston Brewing Company (who do not even brew their beer in Boston, BTW) to fool people into thinking it is an actual lambic, which that beer is not. You can't make a lambic without using brettanomyces bacteria, and that beer has none. But a true lambic is a powerfully flavorful sour beer that most people would not really care for either.
I also never said that I like Budweiser. I don't. It is a bland, tasteless, boring beer, as many others have said. It is, however, well made, and it is actually difficult to make a beer that is so lightly flavored without any discernible faults. That is what I said.

Well! I'm relieved you don't tout Butt-wiper! I don't like fruit-flavored brews. If I want fruit in my beer I go for the lemon or lime in Corona. No idea why it works so well because otherwise I'm not crazy about the stuff.

Labic Ale is, as I remember, Gueze. Terrible stuff, tastes like vinegar. Then they add cherry syrup and it tastes like cough medicine. OTOH, Trappist Ale "Trappiste" is wonderful. You pour off the clear stuff and leave the cloudy stuff in the bottom. The clear stuff is smooth and strong, the cloudy stuff is bitter and gives ferocious headaches even if you don't get buzzed.

Some people like to push you to drink the cloudy crap. But those are the same people who tell you old-time electricians would use their fingers to test full voltage lines.

40 years ago, I spend a semester in Bruges, and did we have fun drinking all the local brews! One middle-aged lady poured the best Trappiste I've ever had. She rap 3x on the bottle: "Wap, Wap-Wap". The ale would spew up and she'd catch it in a goblet just perfectly leaving the crap behind! Also made the best varme vign (mulled wine) in town.

Stella Artois? It's OK, but back then it was the cheapest beer in town. It was to Belgian beer what Old Milwaukee is/was to American craft beers. Belgian wine is dreadful. Avoid the stuff. Stick to German or Latin nations' wine. (Spain, Portugal, France, Italy, Rumania).

 

[HotRodZilla]

Professional football is stupid, and beer tastes like ****. I'll drink a beer every now and then, but people touting how one beer is so much better than another beer make me laugh. Some are lighter, some are darker, some are bitter, and some are flavored. All of them taste like a dark, light, bitter, or flavored version of horse piss.

 

[wheatonFJR]

Professional football is stupid, and beer tastes like ****. I'll drink a beer every now and then, but people touting how one beer is so much better than another beer make me laugh. Some are lighter, some are darker, some are bitter, and some are flavored. All of them taste like a dark, light, bitter, or flavored version of horse piss.

I'm gonna have to bow to your knowledge of horse piss on this one.
Give Cam a break...he's happy when things are going well, hands out game balls to little kids, gets angry when he's frustrated, walks out of the room before he blows up and causes big scene.

I don't fooking get what the deal is. Period.

Now if he starts beating up women, drunk drives, murders people...then you got me.

 

[yanktar]

Professional football is stupid, and beer tastes like ****. I'll drink a beer every now and then, but people touting how one beer is so much better than another beer make me laugh. Some are lighter, some are darker, some are bitter, and some are flavored. All of them taste like a dark, light, bitter, or flavored version of horse piss.

We'll get you a nice glass of Dubonnet and a doily for a coaster and the latest croquet scores.

 

[HotRodZilla]

Professional football is stupid, and beer tastes like ****. I'll drink a beer every now and then, but people touting how one beer is so much better than another beer make me laugh. Some are lighter, some are darker, some are bitter, and some are flavored. All of them taste like a dark, light, bitter, or flavored version of horse piss.

We'll get you a nice glass of Dubonnet and a doily for a coaster and the latest croquet scores.

I knew I could count on you guys!!

AND stop crying Wheatie...He's a punk. Where's Tebow when you need him? Haha...lol

 

[DiggerDr.]

Cam got his *** handed to him, Denver defense was like a pack of hungry coyotes after a house cat. Peyton Manning has shown a lot of class over most of his career, kind of good to see him win it. He knows it was a team effort. If Cam can learn that he will go far. I get the celebration but the excessive showboating looks childish. IMO

 

[Cav47]

Cam got his *** handed to him, Denver defense was like a pack of hungry coyotes after a house cat. Peyton Manning has shown a lot of class over most of his career, kind of good to see him win it. He knows it was a team effort. If Cam can learn that he will go far. I get the celebration but the excessive showboating looks childish. IMO

Let's not forget the super bowl that Manning lost and walked off the field without meeting the opposing QB. I am not a Manning hater in the least. In fact I admire all that he has done in the league. For the media to EXPECT polite intelligent respectful answers from a guy who just lost the most important contest of his life is dumb. I also am not a fan of some of the stupid stuff he does. As a high school head football coach of 16+ years, I would freaking roast my kids if they ever acted like that in public. In the privacy of the locker room is another story. There I encourage wild celebrations for the hard work they have put in. Cut loose and then act right around non team members.

I was 18 years old when we lost a state championship. I cried like a little ***** for more than I should have. Unfortunately I also had to "meet" the press. Even in high school around here they give the losing team a mandatory 30 min cooling off period. The NFL in their hunger for entertainment dollars interrogated Newton less than 30 min after the game. He acted like a tool for sure, but the media needs to relax a little. No one is interviewing us after we walk out of divorce court, blowing a job interview, losing a huge project, or getting fired.

 

[DiggerDr.]

That is why I said "most of his career". And I agree it would be better to let them have a few minutes to compose themselves.

 

[Auburn]

Cam got his *** handed to him, Denver defense was like a pack of hungry coyotes after a house cat. Peyton Manning has shown a lot of class over most of his career, kind of good to see him win it. He knows it was a team effort. If Cam can learn that he will go far. I get the celebration but the excessive showboating looks childish. IMO

Let's not forget the super bowl that Manning lost and walked off the field without meeting the opposing QB. I am not a Manning hater in the least. In fact I admire all that he has done in the league. For the media to EXPECT polite intelligent respectful answers from a guy who just lost the most important contest of his life is dumb. I also am not a fan of some of the stupid stuff he does. As a high school head football coach of 16+ years, I would freaking roast my kids if they ever acted like that in public. In the privacy of the locker room is another story. There I encourage wild celebrations for the hard work they have put in. Cut loose and then act right around non team members.

I was 18 years old when we lost a state championship. I cried like a little ***** for more than I should have. Unfortunately I also had to "meet" the press. Even in high school around here they give the losing team a mandatory 30 min cooling off period. The NFL in their hunger for entertainment dollars interrogated Newton less than 30 min after the game. He acted like a tool for sure, but the media needs to relax a little. No one is interviewing us after we walk out of divorce court, blowing a job interview, losing a huge project, or getting fired.

I seem to remember him meeting Russell Wilson at mid field and congratulating him. Manning didn't give any interviews on the field - my guess is that he didn't want to take away from the Seahawks moment in the spotlight.

As far as giving polite thoughtful answers after the game - like it or not that is the expectation for a quarterback who is the face of that franchise and it goes with his $100M salary. People do expect him to act with class in winning and losing - he is supposed to be a professional after all.

 

[Cav47]

Cam got his *** handed to him, Denver defense was like a pack of hungry coyotes after a house cat. Peyton Manning has shown a lot of class over most of his career, kind of good to see him win it. He knows it was a team effort. If Cam can learn that he will go far. I get the celebration but the excessive showboating looks childish. IMO

Let's not forget the super bowl that Manning lost and walked off the field without meeting the opposing QB. I am not a Manning hater in the least. In fact I admire all that he has done in the league. For the media to EXPECT polite intelligent respectful answers from a guy who just lost the most important contest of his life is dumb. I also am not a fan of some of the stupid stuff he does. As a high school head football coach of 16+ years, I would freaking roast my kids if they ever acted like that in public. In the privacy of the locker room is another story. There I encourage wild celebrations for the hard work they have put in. Cut loose and then act right around non team members.

I was 18 years old when we lost a state championship. I cried like a little ***** for more than I should have. Unfortunately I also had to "meet" the press. Even in high school around here they give the losing team a mandatory 30 min cooling off period. The NFL in their hunger for entertainment dollars interrogated Newton less than 30 min after the game. He acted like a tool for sure, but the media needs to relax a little. No one is interviewing us after we walk out of divorce court, blowing a job interview, losing a huge project, or getting fired.

I seem to remember him meeting Russell Wilson at mid field and congratulating him. Manning didn't give any interviews on the field - my guess is that he didn't want to take away from the Seahawks moment in the spotlight.

As far as giving polite thoughtful answers after the game - like it or not that is the expectation for a quarterback who is the face of that franchise and it goes with his $100M salary. People do expect him to act with class in winning and losing - he is supposed to be a professional after all.

The Superbowl I was referring to was #44 when Indy lost to New Orleans. I wholeheartedly agree with you that Manning is a class act 99% of the time. And likely that 1% remaining is just opinion. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/peyton-manning-cam-newton-poor-sportsmanship-super-bowl-50_us_56b8b0a5e4b01d80b246fa26

This article provides some better clarity as to why Newton was childish. Representing himself better would be favored. But the MEDIA is the real catalyst to this issue. They needed a storyline and Newton provided them with one. Lack of professionalism got him torched. The media loves roasting people as well.

 

[101stpathfinder]

After watching an interview with Cam (Cars & cash) I was pulling for Denver.

Fumble… Cam ain't touching that one.

He can dish it out, but obviously can't take it.

Here is a loyal fan…

 

[Niehart]

The deference to me is Russel Wilson talking and rallying the team until the game is over not standing on the sidelines pouting.

Cam, your the quarterback of your team, we expect you to act like it.