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Here's an excerpt of my last correspondence with AMA, directly to Rob Dingman...

Jeff Ashe writes...

On the street it makes good sense to purchase AMA's MoTow coverage rather than pay the much higher rate for AAA's RV and Recreational Total Coverage, so that I did. Sometime after my first year of MoTow coverage (around 2006), AMA instituted free/included MoTow for members paying their annual memberships via auto-renewal credit card. Great idea!

Not wanting to miss out on anything, I made my first phone call on the subject to AMA and asked, "What about those of us Life Members? How can we get the free MoTow coverage too?" The answer I was given (and the ONLY response I have ever received from AMA since) was, "We don't have a solution for you yet, but we are working on something."

Since that fateful day, I've been purchasing MoTow coverage separately, each and every year. Each year it "sticks in my crawl" a little bit more. At least once each year I email and phone call to ask again. To say I feel frustrated, angry, ignored and downright abused by AMA would be a massive euphemism. I was never overly fond of AMA before all this, and quite honestly considered AMA membership a "necessary evil".

Here's an excerpt of his response back:

Rob Dingman responds...

Regarding the roadside assistance program, it is important to understand that although the program is marketed as being "free", it is not free to the AMA. The reason it is linked to automatic renewal is because it is being funded with the savings from not having to mail renewal notices. I should also point out that $35 is much cheaper than the previous cost of Motow which was approximately $85.00.
Still, I certainly understand your frustration, and I have tasked the membership and marketing department with developing a better package for Life Members. We are currently in the process of transitioning to a new association management software system that will enable us to do more than our current system allows. I recognize that your patience has worn thin but this is the type of programming limitation that required us to replace the system we have been using for most of the last 30 years.
Looks like nothing has changed... yet. It appears that AMA still feels that I should be glad to pay extra for my MoTow coverage, in addition to the big wad I already dished out for Life Membership. I must have missed out on the "privilege fee" associated with being an AMA Life Member.

I'm tired of waiting and empty promises. AAA will probably get my money this year, just to spite AMA.

 
I am very disappointed in that response.

I shall voice my concern as a not yet involved member (ostensibly considering life membership) to Mr. Dingman.

It is BS IMO.

 
Do like I did and dump the AMA plan and get the Road America coverage through the Motorcycle Riders Foundation. Road America is the same group that provides the roadside program for HOG. No MRF membership required and you can pick from one of three plans to fit your needs. LINK

 
Progressive M/C insurance, very competitive in price and unquestioned topnotch service both in my major wreck last year and in two towing incidents--a blowout in Death Valley last week and a ruined wheel after a rock strike. In both cases, well over 100 miles on the tow truck. Cost to add roadside assistance was under $10 extra, though I'm not sure if that was for a full policy year or only six months. The first tow job would have been over $800, repair costs not included (but covered). I just signed the paperwork--nothing out of pocket. How would you beat that?

 
"...max of 35 miles really any good?"

If you break-down in a metro area, you are probably all set. If you break-down in East Bumshoot (Official motto: "Not even close to somewhere.") you are gonna pay extra for the tow. But I have the AMA plan simply because I can, presumably, get someone to come out and pick me up. Without the plan, good luck finding a tow service that will deal with a bike.

Just imagine if you had a BMW. You could be a very, very long way from a dealer.

pete

 
Here's an excerpt of my last correspondence with AMA, directly to Rob Dingman...
Jeff Ashe writes...

On the street it makes good sense to purchase AMA's MoTow coverage rather than pay the much higher rate for AAA's RV and Recreational Total Coverage, so that I did. Sometime after my first year of MoTow coverage (around 2006), AMA instituted free/included MoTow for members paying their annual memberships via auto-renewal credit card. Great idea!

Not wanting to miss out on anything, I made my first phone call on the subject to AMA and asked, "What about those of us Life Members? How can we get the free MoTow coverage too?" The answer I was given (and the ONLY response I have ever received from AMA since) was, "We don't have a solution for you yet, but we are working on something."

Since that fateful day, I've been purchasing MoTow coverage separately, each and every year. Each year it "sticks in my crawl" a little bit more. At least once each year I email and phone call to ask again. To say I feel frustrated, angry, ignored and downright abused by AMA would be a massive euphemism. I was never overly fond of AMA before all this, and quite honestly considered AMA membership a "necessary evil".

Here's an excerpt of his response back:

Rob Dingman responds...

Regarding the roadside assistance program, it is important to understand that although the program is marketed as being "free", it is not free to the AMA. The reason it is linked to automatic renewal is because it is being funded with the savings from not having to mail renewal notices. I should also point out that $35 is much cheaper than the previous cost of Motow which was approximately $85.00.
Still, I certainly understand your frustration, and I have tasked the membership and marketing department with developing a better package for Life Members. We are currently in the process of transitioning to a new association management software system that will enable us to do more than our current system allows. I recognize that your patience has worn thin but this is the type of programming limitation that required us to replace the system we have been using for most of the last 30 years.
Looks like nothing has changed... yet. It appears that AMA still feels that I should be glad to pay extra for my MoTow coverage, in addition to the big wad I already dished out for Life Membership. I must have missed out on the "privilege fee" associated with being an AMA Life Member.

I'm tired of waiting and empty promises. AAA will probably get my money this year, just to spite AMA.
Since Mr. Ashe chose to publicize a part of his correspondence with AMA CEO Rob Dingman, As AMA's communications guy, I think it's only fair that forum members read both letters and draw their own conclusions. First, this is Mr. Ashe's entire email...

Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:28:04 -0500

Subject: Letter to Rob Dingman

Hello Mr. Dingman,

At the urging of another AMA member, I've decided to make one last attempt to obtain a response from AMA, this time directly from you. Please understand that I have emailed several times using the AMA web site (at least once each year for several years), and made at least two phone calls to AMA representatives about the same topic. I have NEVER received any return response from AMA.

After years of paying my AMA membership annually, primarily for purposes of racing motocross, I decided a few years ago to purchase Lifetime Membership. As old age, bruises and broken bones caught up with me, I "retired" from motocross racing at the ripe old age of 48, and began exclusively riding street bikes, specifically Sport-Touring. I've been riding motorcycles since Age-3, but mostly avoided AMA restricted competition in favor of "outlaw" racing (bigger crowds, better competition, much less BS and politics).

On the street it makes good sense to purchase AMA's MoTow coverage rather than pay the much higher rate for AAA's RV and Recreational Total Coverage, so that I did. Sometime after my first year of MoTow coverage (around 2006), AMA instituted free/included MoTow for members paying their annual memberships via auto-renewal credit card. Great idea!

Not wanting to miss out on anything, I made my first phone call on the subject to AMA and asked, "What about those of us Life Members? How can we get the free MoTow coverage too?" The answer I was given (and the ONLY response I have ever received from AMA since) was, "We don't have a solution for you yet, but we are working on something."

Since that fateful day, I've been purchasing MoTow coverage separately, each and every year. Each year it "sticks in my crawl" a little bit more. At least once each year I email and phone call to ask again. To say I feel frustrated, angry, ignored and downright abused by AMA would be a massive euphemism. I was never overly fond of AMA before all this, and quite honestly considered AMA membership a "necessary evil".

I'm certain that my feelings about the past organization of AMA are not unique. At the local level, especially in motocross, power-hungry representation with the sole purpose of self-promotion and money extraction, is the overwhelming majority opinion of AMA-past. Perhaps your new leadership is in a position to change my feelings. Time will tell. We all wish you luck.

Sincerely,

Jeff "Haulin" Ashe

AMA Life Member - 642844

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...and this is Mr. Dingman's reply...

Date: Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:51 PM

Subject: Re: Letter to Rob Dingman

Hi Jeff,

Thanks for your letter.

First, let me tell you how grateful I am that you are a Life Member of the AMA. It demonstrates a commitment to support motorcycling now and into the future, a future we fight for every day. Also I was disturbed to hear that your previous calls and e-mails have not been answered, and I have talked with the member services center about this.

The forces aligned against motorcycling today threaten to shut down millions of acres of public lands to off-road riding, close motocross parks due to excessive sound, ban street motorcycles from city streets if they have non-OE exhausts (not just straight pipes, which AMA opposes), and may well dictate a future of streetbikes with horsepower limits, mandatory airbags, leg protectors, roll cages, etc. The funds provided to the AMA in the way of member dues fund AMA's efforts to preserve motorcycling from these draconian measures.

The AMA also puts money back into the promotion of amateur racing, an effort that suffered greatly while the AMA struggled to manage pro racing, but which has been building steam ever since AMA sold pro racing in 2008. And the AMA actively organizes and promotes recreational riding, not to mention events like AMA Vintage Motorcycle Days.

Your point about "power-hungry representation with the sole purpose of self-promotion and money extraction" is well taken. While there are very good promoters involved with the AMA, there are a few that are not acting in the best interests of our organization. The perception held by many is that the money spent with the local promoter all goes to the AMA, yet this could not be further from the truth. Only the $39 membership fee comes to the AMA, and not all promoters have even been sending that along to the AMA. Rest assured that the AMA is addressing this situation. We have instituted greater financial accountability controls to ensure that if a member signs up at a track, their membership actually makes it to AMA headquarters, which has not always been the case.

We have recently begun conducting elections for Congress delegates online to ensure a more democratic process and prevent control of the election by a few self-anointed "leaders."

The AMA Life Member program was conceived to provide individuals like yourself who purchased a Life membership, as well as those who achieve that status after 25 years of AMA membership, with a number of benefits negotiated with AMA partners, benefits that regular AMA members must pay annually to receive. Currently, you are entitled to 34 benefits that AMA has negotiated with partners.

Regarding the roadside assistance program, it is important to understand that although the program is marketed as being "free", it is not free to the AMA. The reason it is linked to automatic renewal is because it is being funded with the savings from not having to mail renewal notices. I should also point out that $35 is much cheaper than the previous cost of Motow which was approximately $85.00.

Still, I certainly understand your frustration, and I have tasked the membership and marketing department with developing a better package for Life Members. We are currently in the process of transitioning to a new association management software system that will enable us to do more than our current system allows. I recognize that your patience has worn thin but this is the type of programming limitation that required us to replace the system we have been using for most of the last 30 years.

It's been about three years since I took over as CEO at the AMA, and a lot has changed for the better. Now that the AMA has modern accounting systems and an association management system that will be functional later this year, your dollars are not wasted as they once were. While there are still challenges ahead, compounded by the slow economy, I am very optimistic that the AMA of the future will serve its members much more effectively than at any time in the past. And that includes Life Members.

Thanks for writing to me and the AMA. It means a lot to me to hear from AMA members.

Rob Dingman

 
Progressive M/C insurance, very competitive in price and unquestioned topnotch service both in my major wreck last year and in two towing incidents--a blowout in Death Valley last week and a ruined wheel after a rock strike. In both cases, well over 100 miles on the tow truck. Cost to add roadside assistance was under $10 extra, though I'm not sure if that was for a full policy year or only six months. The first tow job would have been over $800, repair costs not included (but covered). I just signed the paperwork--nothing out of pocket. How would you beat that?
+1 on Progressive! Had similar experiences

 
Since Mr. Ashe chose to publicize a part of his correspondence with AMA CEO Rob Dingman, As AMA's communications guy, I think it's only fair that forum members read both letters and draw their own conclusions. First, this is Mr. Ashe's entire email...
I have no problem with the entire contents of both letters. I don't feel it changes the matter of AMA MoTow and Life Membership in any way.

However, it would be good to limit this discussion thread to the topic at hand. I don't believe I left out any relevant parts in the initial post or in any way "slanted" the reading. The end result for Life Members is still the same, "no change" and more promises of "better things to come".

In any case, it's water under the bridge and apparently by the other posts on this subject, I'm not the only little toy boat swirling in the deluge. We need results, not banter.

 
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Jeff - I can see both sides to this. I too would be rather frustrated with having to buy the Motow insurance when others get it for "free".

I am a life member in other organizations and I don't get many perks used my marketing to get others to join a said organization. While some what bummed, I still get other perks non-life members don't get.

I have been thinking about joining the AMA as a life member; however, it's real bloody pricey IMHO. Although I also look at these things as my "donation" to help the cause. Yes I get some benefits from it, but they also fight for my rights of what that organization stands for.

So I'm not sure if every marketing gimmick that comes up for new membership should also be passed onto life members too. Just sayin'

 
So i just read both those letters and for what????Not a damn thing that i didn't get from Jeff's first post.

I guess Mr Dingbat is to busy to read the forum so he sent somebody else......

R

 
As the "other Forum member" who suggested that Jeff contact CEO Rob Dingman directly with this question, I feel I should voice my opinion.

Not that I've ever needed a good reason to do so in the past. ;)

The "free" roadside assistance coverage being currently provided to all annually renewing members who opt to sign up for an auto renewal feature is obviously not really free. There is some (small) cost to the AMA associated with it. It is small mostly because many (most?) of the covered members will not ever use it. It also could not possibly cost as much as the $35/year that the AMA charges non-auto-renewing members for the coverage or it would be impossible to to provide it "free" under the $39 annual membership fee. So lets just say that it has some actual cost to the AMA somewhere between zero and $35.

Lifetime Members should be afforded at least all benefits received by annual members. Any cost to provide them with roadside assistance should be subsidized by the dues being paid by the annually auto-renewing members (that would include me, by the way). It should have been one of the factors calculated into the total cost of providing this benefit to our members.

If this tips the scales enough to make the program no longer feasible, then the Roadside Assistance should have been offered to both lifetime and auto renewing members on a cost basis (which would be much less than $35). It is still reasonable to charge $35 or whatever the AMA deems reasonable for the coverage, and to make a profit for the AMA through that roadside assistance subscription, to any other non-lifetime members who opt not to auto-renew.

But, to provide any annual members with a significant benefit but exclude the Lifetime Members from receiving the same benefit is a slap in the face to the lifeblood of the AMA, it's lifetime members. At the very least, the same marketing guys that dreamed up the free roadside assistance benefit as a means to increase auto renewing annual membership should realize that publicizing of this de-motivator will reduce the number of new lifetime member applicants.

 
Here's an excerpt of my last correspondence with AMA, directly to Rob Dingman...
Jeff Ashe writes...

On the street it makes good sense to purchase AMA's MoTow coverage rather than pay the much higher rate for AAA's RV and Recreational Total Coverage, so that I did. Sometime after my first year of MoTow coverage (around 2006), AMA instituted free/included MoTow for members paying their annual memberships via auto-renewal credit card. Great idea!

Not wanting to miss out on anything, I made my first phone call on the subject to AMA and asked, "What about those of us Life Members? How can we get the free MoTow coverage too?" The answer I was given (and the ONLY response I have ever received from AMA since) was, "We don't have a solution for you yet, but we are working on something."

Since that fateful day, I've been purchasing MoTow coverage separately, each and every year. Each year it "sticks in my crawl" a little bit more. At least once each year I email and phone call to ask again. To say I feel frustrated, angry, ignored and downright abused by AMA would be a massive euphemism. I was never overly fond of AMA before all this, and quite honestly considered AMA membership a "necessary evil".

Here's an excerpt of his response back:

Rob Dingman responds...

Regarding the roadside assistance program, it is important to understand that although the program is marketed as being "free", it is not free to the AMA. The reason it is linked to automatic renewal is because it is being funded with the savings from not having to mail renewal notices. I should also point out that $35 is much cheaper than the previous cost of Motow which was approximately $85.00.
Still, I certainly understand your frustration, and I have tasked the membership and marketing department with developing a better package for Life Members. We are currently in the process of transitioning to a new association management software system that will enable us to do more than our current system allows. I recognize that your patience has worn thin but this is the type of programming limitation that required us to replace the system we have been using for most of the last 30 years.
Looks like nothing has changed... yet. It appears that AMA still feels that I should be glad to pay extra for my MoTow coverage, in addition to the big wad I already dished out for Life Membership. I must have missed out on the "privilege fee" associated with being an AMA Life Member.

I'm tired of waiting and empty promises. AAA will probably get my money this year, just to spite AMA.
Jeff, thank you for continuing to persue this with the AMA. I too am a life member (#625822) and have been dissappointed with the AMA's handiling of motow (among other things).

I agree your excerpts do a very good job of explaining the point about motow. I didn't need the rest of the letters (as Mr. terHost provided) to understand the point and understand the AMA's response. Maybe if Mr. terHost spent a little time here instead of joining yesterday just to dispute your post, he would understand that you were not attacking the AMA just stating the same frustration many of us have had with the AMA over the years. You just chose to verbalize what I have thought for a good many years. I do think the AMA is finally headed in the right direction, and issues like the motow demonstrate they still have a ways to go.

(By the way, I have used AAA for about 15 years now, and have had very good service on the occaisions that I needed to use it, both for cars and MC. It does cost more, but I usually make it up in savings on hotel room discounts when traveling. Plus I like the free maps you can get from them. I like to have a paper back up to the GPS.)

 
I too have been frustrated with the AMA and quit my membership sometime back, although I'm once again thinking of joining, even given this situation. If I were Jeff, I'd be transitioning from the frustrated stage to the pissed off stage at a rapid rate.

On the other hand, I've been monitoring the AMA's performance and will say they have improved in the last several years. As an IT guy, I understand the limitations associated with using out dated applications.

But the bottom line is that life members, who should be treated like precious commodities, are being treated like crap when dealing specifically with motow. And that's unacceptable. I'm pretty sure, as a network/application admin, I could have my systems modified in less than 6 hours.. just sayin'

 
Thanks Jeff for the info & I was not aware that Life Members were not give the same opportunity as the Annual reoccurring CC paying members (which I am one). It's upsetting to me how you have been jerked around on what seems to be a very simple fix, especially from an organization that tackles the complexities of government for the benefit of all MC owners & riders.

I will also send them a response with my concerns on the subject.

 
Wow--Mr payed spokesman did you mess up, you came to our house and accused one of our most respected Members

of dishonesty in his posting.

Maybe not the smartest way to get more support or members to the AMA.

Is your posting what we can expect from the New AMA ?

A knee jerk reaction to its members concerns. By all means sign me up (NOT)

JimStan

 
After reading this thread I called the AMA and canceled my membership. This is ridiculous to treat your members like this, especially your life time members.

Former member 1085092

 
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