Another 06 owner given a full refund in the UK

[feejer222]

You may have read the thread I started last year about my 06 having an incurable missfire and eventually getting a full refund from my dealer. https://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=11475 (For those who missed the subsequent thread, I have since bought a brand ndew 05 from the same dealer which was on the shop floor for 18 months).

This guy from Southern England had the same problems and contacted me after reading my thread. He persued it and received all his money back from his dealer. He is now the proud owner of a low mileage 05.

 

[05fjrman]

Did Yamaha ever tell either of you what the problem was?

 

[feejer222]

Nope. The closest I got was after the bike spent 2 weeks at Yamaha (not the dealers), and had a thorough check up and a 100 mile road test by them they said yes it does cough if you open the throttle aggresively....try not to.

 

[squeezer]

Nope. The closest I got was after the bike spent 2 weeks at Yamaha (not the dealers), and had a thorough check up and a 100 mile road test by them they said yes it does cough if you open the throttle aggresively....try not to.

:rofl:

Thanks goodness nobody around here EVER opens the throttle aggressively.

 

[jeremybhm]

There was an article in Cycle World this month that addressed this type of issue on FI bikes in relation to the new fly by wire throttle on the R1. Basically they said that the fly by wire throttle allowed the engine to open the throttle bodies at a rate the engine could handle since the vacuum of air wasn't increased at the same rate as fuel when you twist it wide open...

 

[rayban]

As for the refund issue...

While asking Yamaha corporate (product liason) about the feasibility of converting a 49-state model to Cali components (out of curiosity, don't bother firing off "you don't need to" threads, I know better), we were on the topic of the fuel system anyway and I mentioned this very sticky issue.

Officially, there is no answer, the product works properly as is.

Unofficially, labeled as rumor, consideration (R&D) is being given to a bandaid revision to the fuel delivery and injection systems. No specifics were given. Could be anything from a remap of the brain to a change of design in the whole subsystem. Lawsuits have a funny way of forcing revisions, but if there is a newer technology already on the horizon that makes this issue moot, they'll likely just leave things as is until the new whatever rolls out or see if a simply bandaid can get things by.

Personally, I'll be VERY surpised if anything involving different parts takes place. It's easy to change the mapping in future-produced brains. Anything past that requires a more expensive change to the whole manufacturing/assembly process...

 

[SkooterG]

Ever have anybody cut in line in front of you while you were standing in a line? Pissed you off didn't it? Why not let them cut? You're just sharing the line aren't you? Personally, I can't understand the concept of "lane sharing". Why should somebody on a motorcycle be allowed to go ahead just because his vehicle is smaller? What gives him/her the right to get ahead of other drivers who are being forced to sit there in traffic and wait too? I'm sorry, but I just don't get it. I can see the point if they're on an aircooled bike and will overheat if they're not allowed to move. But, otherwise, it just looks like cutting to me. I would never even consider "lane sharing". I just wouldn't feel right about it. Sure, go ahead and unleash on me. But, that's where I stand on it.

While asking Yamaha corporate (product liason) about the feasibility of converting a 49-state model to Cali components (out of curiosity, don't bother firing off "you don't need to" threads, I know better), we were on the topic of the fuel system anyway and I mentioned this very sticky issue.

Officially, there is no answer, the product works properly as is.

Unofficially, labeled as rumor, consideration (R&D) is being given to a bandaid revision to the fuel delivery and injection systems. No specifics were given. Could be anything from a remap of the brain to a change of design in the whole subsystem. Lawsuits have a funny way of forcing revisions.

Personally, I'll be VERY surpised if anything involving different parts takes place. It's easy to change the mapping in future-produced brains. Anything past that requires a more expensive change to the whole manufacturing/assembly process...

Eh?

 

[DonRed7]

Gotta' be some connecting thought btwn the Quote and the Post Skoot,....

btw i was doing slow circles and 8's in my shop a bit ago,.. and kinda' like being able to rely on the motor's torque and not having to clutch as i'm adding rear brake. I was adding brake and leaning left/right forth and the motor just seemed to stay smooth as the rev's dropped.

THEN,.........Poof,........STALL,.....annnnnddd

I got my foot down in time. :blink:

Lesson #1

-Don

 

[Last Chance]

Gotta' be some connecting thought btwn the Quote and the Post Skoot,....
btw i was doing slow circles and 8's in my shop a bit ago,.. and kinda' like being able to rely on the motor's torque and not having to clutch as i'm adding rear brake. I was adding brake and leaning left/right forth and the motor just seemed to stay smooth as the rev's dropped.

THEN,.........Poof,........STALL,.....annnnnddd

I got my foot down in time. :blink:

Lesson #1

-Don

Mine has "coughed", died and consequently fallen over three times during slow turns in parking lots. My leg is not long enough.

Since installing the PCIII it is MUCH improved. However, occasionally if I get in a hurry to "take-off" from a stop light and fail to get the rpm's up high enough it will still stall. Guess I'm going to have to "lower" the bike. Trying to "save her" while on tippy toes just doesn't work for me.

LC

 

[cctxfjr]

Gotta' be some connecting thought btwn the Quote and the Post Skoot,....
btw i was doing slow circles and 8's in my shop a bit ago,.. and kinda' like being able to rely on the motor's torque and not having to clutch as i'm adding rear brake. I was adding brake and leaning left/right forth and the motor just seemed to stay smooth as the rev's dropped.

THEN,.........Poof,........STALL,.....annnnnddd

I got my foot down in time. :blink:

Lesson #1

-Don

Mine has "coughed", died and consequently fallen over three times during slow turns in parking lots. My leg is not long enough.

Since installing the PCIII it is MUCH improved. However, occasionally if I get in a hurry to "take-off" from a stop light and fail to get the rpm's up high enough it will still stall. Guess I'm going to have to "lower" the bike. Trying to "save her" while on tippy toes just doesn't work for me.

LC

mine did the same thing last night turning left from stop sign nearly dropped it

 

[mike25]

As for the refund issue...
While asking Yamaha corporate (product liason) about the feasibility of converting a 49-state model to Cali components (out of curiosity, don't bother firing off "you don't need to" threads, I know better), we were on the topic of the fuel system anyway and I mentioned this very sticky issue.

Officially, there is no answer, the product works properly as is.

Unofficially, labeled as rumor, consideration (R&D) is being given to a bandaid revision to the fuel delivery and injection systems. No specifics were given. Could be anything from a remap of the brain to a change of design in the whole subsystem. Lawsuits have a funny way of forcing revisions, but if there is a newer technology already on the horizon that makes this issue moot, they'll likely just leave things as is until the new whatever rolls out or see if a simply bandaid can get things by.

Personally, I'll be VERY surpised if anything involving different parts takes place. It's easy to change the mapping in future-produced brains. Anything past that requires a more expensive change to the whole manufacturing/assembly process...

I hope someone does sue Yamaha's ass off. And fix this 'DEFECT'.

I just hope no one gets hurt in the process.

 

[Barabus]

I practice the slow u's, circles and eights before and after most rides. I have 10k miles on my 06 and never had the issue being discussed here. Note, I did the barbarian mod and run idle at 1150 rpm.

 

[John_Dumke]

One possible consideration (other than the PCIII which fixes the majority of the stalls), is the tach reads RPM about 200 too higher than actual. On my bike the rpm's are about 1000 - 1050 when the tach really shows 1200-1250. So if your bike is like mine and you set the idle to 1000 on the tach the actual idle may only be about 800. This could greatly increase he likelyhood of the bike stalling when the throttle is wacked open.

I am baseing the correct RPM reading based upon what my lap top says when hooked to the PCIII while the bike was running. This should be correct, as it is reading right from the ECU.

Haven't heard anybody else post this slight, but significant discrepancy.

 

[Lake Powell]

As far as the low speed problems go, off the line , the clutch and clutch action need to be visited.

My 07A seems to have a heavy clutch and engages with the lever barely released, this bike it is hard to run the clutch with the index and FU finger.

 

[feejer222]

The thing that tipped the balance for me with my 06 was when I was turning across oncoming traffic with wife and luggage on. We had slowed to about 5mph as a gap was approaching, I started to turn and opened the throttle and it cut out. We were already leaning to turn. I managed to get my foot down and hold us up but if I hadn't we would have been on the floor like a beached whale in front of oncoming traffic.

 

[Last Chance]

I practice the slow u's, circles and eights before and after most rides. I have 10k miles on my 06 and never had the issue being discussed here. Note, I did the barbarian mod and run idle at 1150 rpm.

I need to up the idle from 1050 to 1150 also.

Face it, the '06-'07 do have a "twitchy throttle" problem/s.

I'm solving these problems by PCIII, EG2 cam and other solutions mentioned. I'm also putting Helibar triple tree and risers and a McCruise electronic cruise on it. When done I will have about 15k in the bike and it will be SWEET. Still cheaper than a comparable BMW by 5-7k. Life is good.

LC :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

 

[Bounce]

Since installing the PCIII it is MUCH improved. However, occasionally if I get in a hurry to "take-off" from a stop light and fail to get the rpm's up high enough it will still stall. Guess I'm going to have to "lower" the bike. Trying to "save her" while on tippy toes just doesn't work for me.

years ago we used to call that "lugging" the motor. all motors will stall given the same situation.

 

[cctxfjr]

Since installing the PCIII it is MUCH improved. However, occasionally if I get in a hurry to "take-off" from a stop light and fail to get the rpm's up high enough it will still stall. Guess I'm going to have to "lower" the bike. Trying to "save her" while on tippy toes just doesn't work for me.

years ago we used to call that "lugging" the motor. all motors will stall given the same situation.

I think you are right in least in my stall anyway-I drive a manual diesel cummins pickup and am use to idling off from start I think that habit carrys over to bike and caused my near drop

 

[Last Chance]

Since installing the PCIII it is MUCH improved. However, occasionally if I get in a hurry to "take-off" from a stop light and fail to get the rpm's up high enough it will still stall. Guess I'm going to have to "lower" the bike. Trying to "save her" while on tippy toes just doesn't work for me.

years ago we used to call that "lugging" the motor. all motors will stall given the same situation.

I think you are right in least in my stall anyway-I drive a manual diesel cummins pickup and am use to idling off from start I think that habit carrys over to bike and caused my near drop

In my case, I think it was a case of dropping the rpm's because I thought they were too high. I also finished releasing the clutch fully (letting the lever out). The combination of the two resulted and the dreaded "cough of death"--IE sudden stall.

I have/do occasionally "lug" the engine on some take=offs. The engine doesn't cough and die, but "rattles". Regardless, there are a number of associated problems (drive line lash in turns come to mind) that can be overcome with technique and/or "fixes". But, I still say there is a problem that exists on the GenII that didn't appear on the GenI from what I read.

I, come from a semi-truck big rig background and am used to starting in them "off idle". However I've owned numerous manual transmission autos and of course motorcycles and I don't think that really is my issue. I have learned to "over rev" the FJR to insure against the dreaded "cough of death". I now have 9000 miles on the bike and still have several farkles to install. When all is done this summer I will know if bike is "as should be". Love the bike too much to give up on her.

LC

P.S. She's perfectly OK now, anyway. Just bound to get better with the Ergo2 grips and cruise control.

LC