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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ELP_JC" data-source="post: 305297" data-attributes="member: 6177">Cost, like 'free', is one of those words that mean crap nowadays; everybody justifies their own definition. The most widely used is if you're not making what you're supposed to (retail), it's a loss, like in this warranty case. Semantics.The bottom line is whatever the lowest price you get for a bike, extended warranty, part, etc., is going to be (well) ABOVE cost 99% of the time or better, which means what the dealer ACTUALLY pays/paid for the item in question. There're many hidden 'kickbacks' dealers get that makes it very hard to guess their actual cost, including holdbacks, volume discounts, incentives, rebates, etc., so even when a dealer appears to be incurring a loss, they're not. I left the door open for losses with my 1% implied above, which I'm sure happens with old models, odd sizes, etc., but I bet it's much less than that. I don't pay attention to that abused word anymore. Later.JC</blockquote>