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Fred W

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Hello... My name is Fred W and I have recently come to realize that I am a motorcycle bigot.

I've been lusting after (and riding) motorbikes since long before I had a driver's license. The lure of two wheels is something that my parents never understood back then, and my mother (still living) still does not fully, but has finally come to accept now that I qualify for AARP. The desire for two wheeled conveyances has pretty much run the full spectrum, from mini bikes with lawnmower engines, to cheap Italian tiddlers, to not-so-cheap but way-more-sexy Italian bikes, Dirt bikes, dirt Bikes, Dirt Bikes, ADV tourers, and everyone here's favorite sport tourers and SuperSport Tourers like the FJR. It's a freaking cornucopia of motorcycles I tell ya.

Through it all, and to this day, I have never had the slightest desire to own or even ride an "American Cruiser." I am probably as guilty of extreme over-generalization as the 'tards that dress up in leather and pretend to be bad-*****, but to me, the entire Bad Boy image these folks are striving for is the antithesis of what I seek. Call me snobby. Call me a North-Eastern Elitist (thanks for the useful term, Greg). Call me what you will.. But it is what it is. And I have an inkling I am not completely alone.

The realization was brought front and center recently when flipping through a series of stacked up moto mags and I realized that any articles about American Cruisers, or the copy-cat Asian versions of American Cruisers had me flipping the pages before I had digested the first line.

Another tip off is that I (quite willingly) subscribe to a particular local used bike dealers email spam. In each edition there are a nearly endless list of low mile, super clean bikes made by the US company that starts with "H" and ends in "arley Davidson", and try as I might, even with the series of letters that make up the (ridiculous) model names, I cannot differentiate one of those friggen models from another. That's when I knew... "Those bikes all look the same to me"

Oh my gawd! I'm a bike biggot!

I mean, I can tell every series of BMW GS apart easily, every generation of VFR, every model year of FJR apart, and most other bike models apart just by a glance, some just by the exhaust tone...

But I'll be damned if I know what makes a FLSTFI FAT BOY different from a FXDL DYNA LOW RIDER or a FXSTSI SOFTAIL SPRINGER without some one hanging name tags on every one of them.

Now don't get me wrong here. It's not like I lose a lot of sleep over my newly realized biggotry. I'm pretty sure I'll be able to live with these shortcomings. But hey it is a Friday in January, and it's been totally freaking un-rideable weather for at least the past month after all, and this is what I was thinking.

I know. Pretty deep thoughts, huh?
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I feel "somewhat" the same. I don't know the differences between the models you listed either. I can tell the difference between them and a V-Rod. I like the looks of a lot of them, but I can't get past the price and the stories from owners about troubles. My two favorite bikes are my current '07 FJR and previously owned '76 Triumph Bonneville 750. You made me think of it when mentioning your Mom. Mine was the same way. She said she would not allow a motorcycle at the house. Well, I defied her and brought the Triumph home. She shocked me when, rather than yell at me, she said, "Ok. Let's get it over with. Give me a ride." Surprised the hell out of me. My Nana(her Mom) happened to be visiting at the time and I took her for a ride too! I will never forget that.

 
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Fred,

I hear what you are saying, but I never have understood this way of thinking from either side. I for one love motorcycles, all motorcycles. There really aren't many bikes that I look at that I can't find something that I like about them. Weather it's a old school Harley or a brand new Ducati all of them have something to offer. Now I do believe 100% that our FJR's are better bikes than anything Harley has ever put out, but I still don't understand how you can't see the beauty in something different. And for the record I still think Harley has the best fit and finish out of any of the major manufacturers.

 
+1 guilty as charged. However I did own a yamaha warrior once but I can never go back! Id say most of us are bike biggots to some extent. Lets just pray they never stop making FJR's
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Well Bigot might be a bit strong ... I do have friends with "cruisers" and wouldn't want to offend anyone but I do pretty much agree with everything you said ... They can never ride when it might ... possibly ... sort of ...perhaps might look like a small cloud may enter within 200 miles of our intended route, so that is irritating ...

I don't really like the "look" but that is a personal thing ... I always bite my tongue when I see them at stoplights with every screw being shaken loose ... It just does not seem right to me ... These are "refined" machines right ? And refining usually means designing away from violent shaking ?

I know that is the "concept" of these things but it runs contrary to my brain patterns ... Being a technical person, the FJR turbine like smoothness (most of the time) feels like "progress" perhaps ?

As far as HD goes, I wouldn't give a plug nickel for one but that is just me ...

It's your money, do with it what you want.

As long as you ride the damn thing you wont hear nuthin' from me ...

 
Fred - I respect you (and anyone's FTM) opinion here. Please do not misunderstand this message.

When I was in my 20's, I could not understand why everyone was not like me. In many cases, I actually expended the energy it takes to try and change some of them. Now that I'm a little older, I realize that if everyone was the same, it would be a pretty boring world. In everything we do, human diversity is what makes our world interesting. This is really prevelant in motorcycling, IMO.

That said (or written as it were), although I've owned a metric cruiser way back in the day, I doubt I'll ever own another cruiser again. When my body won't hold the S/T bike up, I guess I'll bite the bullet and go with the wing trike, or just move on all together (heaven forbid).

I concur with MrZappo - I've got riding friends that mount every kind of bike you can name. If you like it, and you won't try to kill me, I'll ride with ya. But if you run loud open pipes, you gotta get in the back. That **** is just too loud for me.
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Fred,

This weather is getting to you. You have PMS, Bad! I have similar symptoms.

Let medicate tomorrow!

Russ

edit: lookie there, I finally hit 1000 posts. Fred made me do it!

 
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Those of you 'bashing' the Harleys are doing so based on stereotypes. There are many Harley, Victory, and metric cruiser riders that don't fit in those categories at all.

BTW, I put bashing in quotes because it was only a convenient word to use, not pointing fingers or anything.

Like others, I love motorcycles. They just make me want to ride them. I have friends with HDs and some are dorks, a few are pretty hard core riders. My favorite ridding buddy rides sans helmet. Wears jeans, HD stuff and head bands. BUT, he'll ride anywhere in any conditions. He racks up miles and doesn't wash his bike because he's busy riding it.

There are ****** bags in every genre, including ours. I ignore them and focus on the ones I like. Frankly, I like the v-twin sound. I even like them a little loud. My truck has a nice rumble to it too...Reminds me of my dad's cars I guess. I don't like window shattering racket, but those seem to be less prevalent.

I have another buddy with a very new loaded up Electra Glide.... I think. Like others, I can't keep track of their names either. That bike is crazy comfortable and us built for riding down the road. It is not built for twisties, but the buyer should know that. Above idle, it is very smooth, it has good power and it is like riding a Cadillac.

To each his own. I have ridden three different cruisers. I liked them all and LOVED my VTX1800R. It had Vance&Hines BigShot pipes and sounded great. Will I ever buy another? Prolly not, but I've moved beyond that riding style.

 
Most of my local riding buddies ride American cruisers. These are the guys that taught me about riding long distances in all types of weather. They are some of the best riders I've ever met...even if I can't tell the difference between their bikes and any other cruiser out there.

 
Each to his own. I will ride anything, absolutely anything with two wheels and a motor. When I do get on something odd I make certain there is at least one pic taken to prove that I rode it.

But...

I am terribly fussy about how I spend my dollars. Just because I will ride it around the block does not mean I am willing to pay for one like it. If there was an excess of play money here at Maison de Poisson Rouge there would be several bikes awaiting my pleasure. For now, no money, one bike.

I am much less tolerant of the people that ride those "other bikes" than of the bikes themselves. 2 (more)of my major pet peeves are:

1. The HD rider owner who is CONVINCED!!! that his HD is better than whatever I have just because. Try to pin them on the technical details of why their HD is better and they cannot hold a conversation worthy of a drunken kindergarten student. If you give them hard #'s in black and white explaining to them that your SportTourer is 3.5 seconds faster in the 1/4, stops in 60% of the distance, rides smoother while handling better, is more reliable, gets better fuel economy and is easier and cheaper to maintain on every level you accomplish... Nothing. "Yeah, but it ain't a Harley!" they will sneer.

2. The Metric Cruiser guy who does everything he can to make his Honda Davidson look and sound just like a Harley. News flash, they will never sound like a Harley. You can make it loud, you cannot make it good. Why not buy real Harley in the first place? I completely get buying a metric cruiser as long as it stays true to its roots. If all you are going to do is spend $$ imitating the real thing, buy the real thing.

Okay Fred. You got me worked up now. Jerk.

 
Welcome to another dark side. In a previous life, H-D was our second largest customer. Great folks to work with and very, very loyal. Be that as it may, I still cannot get close to the bikes or the folks that mostly pretend to ride them. Just never understood the mentality of their riding. Each to his own, but you will not catch me on one. Rant over, thanks.

 
I don't know if this applies to all HD's, but the only two bikes I have purchased new were a Sportster and a Wide Glide, and both were f'n POS'es. Guess that's just part of the HD "experience" that everyone is always taking about.

 
Fun read but I don't think you can be a bigot to a motorcycle, just the people who ride ( or don't ride) them.....and I don't have the slightest interest in cruisers either whether it is a HD or a look-a-like. I'm too old to ride something just to try to look cool so it has to be both comfortable and fun and I've yet to ride a cruiser that meets that criteria.

 
I've ridden two Harleys. The first was a very long chopper in the '70s. I stayed on it less than a mile. It was terrible to ride.

The second was a stock Harley something or other. A local buddy asked me to take it to the local shop to get it inspected for him. The ride was about 5 miles each way. That was enough for me. No fun at all.

One of my brothers has a big Yamaha cruiser. It is a real torque monster and he can out pull my FJR at will at legal speeds. I can not ride it around the block without scraping the foot boards. He likes it, it is not for me.

I'm not sure if that makes me a bike bigot, or a jerk, or whatever. I know what I like and that's what I ride.

 
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According to most of you I guess I should get rid of the last remaining Harley Davidson I own. When I am back in Boise for the Spring and Summer months My FJR stands proudly next to the '96 FLHR. Oh BTW Fred thats one of the models that has hard bags. I have had this motorcycle since it was new. This motorcycle has taken me to several riding destinations and some very long and enjoyable riding vacations, on most of them I accompanied by a good friend and HD rider. He and I enjoy the luxury of having more than one motorcycle. We have taken the motorcycles of choice on these journeys. These motorcycles range from BMW, Honda, Triumph and Yamaha.

As for the reliability of the Harley Davidson, I've never had a breakdown and guess what, nothing vibrated loose of fell of the motorcycle. Imagine that.

As far as the HD riders go, its a mixed bag. I do not look like or act like a pirate. If that is someone's thing so be it. You can't blame a brand of motorcycle for that.

So to set the record straight I have owned and built three HD's. A 1996 Sportster, BTW that one caught the attention of Mr. Leno. A 1987 FXR affectionately dubbed the Evil One. It was a 100 ci stroker. This HD would fill your need for speed without question. If you want to feel your shoulder sockets pull away from your body that HD will not leave you disappointed. My remaining HD is my FLHR, the long distance HD.

I will have to admit I am somewhat of a Bigot as well. I just find difficulty in my fellow motorcycle riders bashing other's rides.

As far as I am concerned it is not about the brand. It is about riding. But what do I know, I've only been in the saddle for fifty years, or so.

I better get off of this subject, My BP is rising.

 
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I have to agree with Fred. That Carver is a
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I have several friends that have both Harley's and FJR's and are pretty damn fast on both. Jeff is still riding the Harley he bought 26 years ago is damn quick until he runs out of motor.

To me, it's much more about the rider than the bike.

And, yes, I admit that I also was a pirate. I owned a 1983 XR1000 and a 1997 Buell S3 Thunderbolt.

 
You know, I just thought of something.

BikerGeek rides a Harley. If that doesn't say something, nothing does.

I guess I could change my mind about all this, but Victory builds some really nice bikes too!

 
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