Curious stall out - at idle - 06A

[kaitsdad]

Three times now my new 06 has stalled out - always under the same circumstances.

Approaching a stop, downshift through the gears, brake, roll up to the stop point and pull in the clutch (in first) let off the throttle, and ... silence.

Always starts right back up - I just hit the button.

So -

Do I have a lower than normal idle setting?

Is this somehow related to the ECU ? Fuel injection? Being new? Pilot error?

All, I'd appreciate your thoughts on this - maybe Wonky is trying to tell me she doesn't like her name?

:bigeyes: :blink: :bigeyes: :blink:

 

[skyway]

If the clutch is in there's no reason for the engine to cut out. Is the engine still running at this point, or does it die before/after you pull in the clutch?

When your engine is warmned up, what rpm's are you seeing on the tach?

 

[kaitsdad]

Ian,

I seem to have an old habit of leaving the clutch engaged (engine braking) until I'm almost stopped -

I suspect that the problem lies between the clutch handle and my helmet :blink:

I'm going to re-visit the clutch lever adjustment, and pay a little more attention to it.

I have noticed, however, that when in neutral, 'blipping' the throttle will result in a 'fall' in rpm's on the downside, then it burbles back up to idle - this takes 1/2 second or so.

I'll be riding tomorrow a bit - and I'll try to fail it.

Time will tell. New Bike, Old Rider. Stay tuned. B)

 

[skyway]

Don't forget to adjust the brake/clutch levers in or out depending on your reach, it helps a lot.

 

[dcarver]

I'm going to re-visit the clutch lever adjustment, and pay a little more attention to it.

UhHuh. I have big hands so I set the clutch lever to the full 'out' position. Just for fun adjusted to the the closest position.. and at that position mine has a slight amount of clutch drag. Not fully releasing even with lever full to the bar. This could cause the stall.

Perhaps my hyd sys is not fully bled. No worries.

 

[Cal24Master]

Ian,
I seem to have an old habit of leaving the clutch engaged (engine braking) until I'm almost stopped -

I suspect that the problem lies between the clutch handle and my helmet :blink:

I'm going to re-visit the clutch lever adjustment, and pay a little more attention to it.

I have noticed, however, that when in neutral, 'blipping' the throttle will result in a 'fall' in rpm's on the downside, then it burbles back up to idle - this takes 1/2 second or so.

I'll be riding tomorrow a bit - and I'll try to fail it.

Time will tell. New Bike, Old Rider. Stay tuned. B)

One thing I have noticed on the 06 is that the clutch engages much closer to the bar than my 03 does. It is taking some time getting used, I killed it a couple times because I was used to letting the clutch out much further before it started to engage. It also doesn't disengage until you pull over 1/2 back to the grip. That may be where your problem is.

Tom

 

[Rogue]

My Connie did the same thing when I bought it new, I mentioned it when I took it in for the first service, IIRC the idle speed was too low.

 

[skyway]

Ian,
I seem to have an old habit of leaving the clutch engaged (engine braking) until I'm almost stopped - 

I suspect that the problem lies between the clutch handle and my helmet  :blink:

I'm going to re-visit the clutch lever adjustment,  and pay a little more attention to it. 

I have noticed,  however,  that when in neutral,  'blipping' the throttle will result in a 'fall' in rpm's on the downside,  then it burbles back up to idle - this takes 1/2 second or so.

  I'll be riding tomorrow a bit -  and I'll try to fail it. 

Time will tell.  New Bike,  Old Rider.  Stay tuned.  B)

One thing I have noticed on the 06 is that the clutch engages much closer to the bar than my 03 does. It is taking some time getting used, I killed it a couple times because I was used to letting the clutch out much further before it started to engage. It also doesn't disengage until you pull over 1/2 back to the grip. That may be where your problem is.

Tom

Purely speculation, but all '06 models may be designed this way to aid in the smooth shifting function of the AE?

 

[chickey191]

I'd do a couple of things in effort to trouble shoot

1. what is the idle speed on the tach? perhaps this needs adjustment

2. What is the adjustment to the clutch side - perhaps this might be the problem and the clutch has not completely engaged?

3. Check the hydraulic system - is it topped off - and perhaps it should be bled?

Frankly - I have found a dealer set up problem on EVERY new bike I've purchased. From - tires not inflated properly - battery not properly charged - loose bolts - to improper fluid levels (once had a bike handed to me with only about 1 quart of oil in it).

I have suggested to others (and hope to do this myself this week upon delivery of my '06) the following new bike procedure:

BEFORE YOU LEAVE THE DEALERSHIP:

1. Check the oil level - and perhaps even hydraulic fluid -if applicable

2. check tire pressure

3. check obvious stuff like axle pinch bolts - spokes (if applicable - almost never seen a spoked wheel arrive from the factory with all spokes tight - or wheel all that true)

4. Check the battery - fluid leve (if applicable) and connections

TAKE THE BIKE HOME ON A SHORT RIDE _ THEN:

1. Wash the bike - carefully run your hands over the bike while washing and drying - to check for paint imperfections - scratches - whatever

2. Get out the tools and go over your bike - checking bolts and screws, etc. My guess is that you will find something loose.

3. check the tire pressure again - see if you have a leaky valve.

4 - now go for a LONG ride - smile that big assed smile of yours and enjoy your new wheels.

5. I usually keep a little notepad in my stich pocket for a couple of weeks to write down any questions, observations or things that might need adjustment of fixing during the first service.

 

[Skippy]

Three times now my new 06 has stalled out -  always under the same circumstances.
Approaching a stop, downshift through the gears,  brake, roll up to the stop point and pull in the clutch (in first) let off the throttle,  and ... silence. 

Always starts right back up - I just hit the button.

So - 

Do I have a lower than normal idle setting? 

Is this somehow related to the ECU ?  Fuel injection?  Being new?  Pilot error? 

All,  I'd appreciate your thoughts on this -  maybe Wonky is trying to tell me she doesn't like her name?

:bigeyes:  :blink:   :bigeyes:  :blink:

It sounds more like a too lean situation on the bottom end, see if the barbarian jumper mod works or have the stealership check it on a CO2 anaylizer.

The reason it jumps back up is becasue the ECU caught the situation and changed the settings on the fly.

Sometimes, just raising the idle 100 rpms can also cure these lean closed throttle situations.

They may even need to reset the TPS closed throttle position.

All of this can be done with the PC3

My buddies 05 had the throttle bodies so out of sync from new it was a wonder it ran at all.

We synced them and he never needed the PC3 or the Barbarian mod, although I did both to mine, and added the K&N filter.

Skippy

 

[teerex51]

KaitsDad

This has been a common problem for a number of Euro-FJRs and Fazers -- exactly the same symptoms you described.

The solution was the TPS replacement.

Stef

 

[kaitsdad]

Ya know, this is just amazing - this forum is a huge reason I bought the FJR, and you guys just continue to prove me right !!

Lots of good things to think about - I'll be going out this evening for my first night ride, and I'll work through each item that I can and try to fail it.

If I can be certain it's not pilot error, I'll start persuing everyone's suggestions.

Again - thanks so much for helping out a newbie.

Stef - how is your foot? How is your wife's hand? Healing up ok?

 

[kaitsdad]

IT TWARNT NUTTIN SERIOUS !!!

Did a little 50 mile ride this evening -

I have always had a habit of pulling in the clutch just before I stopped. Well, after I adjusted the clutch lever (5), I started clutching a wee bit earlier - and I had absolutely no problems with stalling.

And I stopped 'blipping' the throttle. No idle fall.

Warm idle rpm appears to be 1000.

Happy KaitsDad !!

And again- THANK YOU ALL FOR THE SUGGESTIONS !!!

 

[odot]

This fjrforum crew is very helpful. And they are even more helpful when you want to make fun of someone. Love the sense of humor in here....or better yet....the lack of it...that's even more funny.