Daytona 200 SPOILER

[feejer222]

Well done Josh Hays controled the race from the front. How cruel was that for Zemke and DuHamel?

Well done Chas Davies in 2nd. Dissapointing that Hodge messed up, I thought he was going to make it a good finish.

 

[Kevin Daly]

hell-uv-a first couple laps.

 

[feejer222]

hell-uv-a first couple laps.

They dropped like flies, it never ceases to surprise me how the riders are left in dangerous positions by the track workers. A guy came off half way through lying about 9th and hurt his leg. After hitting the bike he laid down next to it. The track workers went to the bike and started to move it and took no interest in the fact that the rider was lying right where other riders might slide into him.

Big mess up with the Kawasaki pit stops....bad!

 

[Kevin Daly]

hell-uv-a first couple laps.

They dropped like flies, it never ceases to surprise me how the riders are left in dangerous positions by the track workers. A guy came off half way through lying about 9th and hurt his leg. After hitting the bike he laid down next to it. The track workers went to the bike and started to move it and took no interest in the fact that the rider was lying right where other riders might slide into him.

Big mess up with the Kawasaki pit stops....bad!

that was the dude that was grabbing his leg after hobbling to his bike, yeah that was bad. So what was it that leaked out of the 2nd place bike near the end of the race? was it water? I mean there was no smoke or fire.

 

[feejer222]

hell-uv-a first couple laps.

They dropped like flies, it never ceases to surprise me how the riders are left in dangerous positions by the track workers. A guy came off half way through lying about 9th and hurt his leg. After hitting the bike he laid down next to it. The track workers went to the bike and started to move it and took no interest in the fact that the rider was lying right where other riders might slide into him.

Big mess up with the Kawasaki pit stops....bad!

that was the dude that was grabbing his leg after hobbling to his bike, yeah that was bad. So what was it that leaked out of the 2nd place bike near the end of the race? was it water? I mean there was no smoke or fire.

Missed that I was alternating channels watching GP qualifying at the same time.

 

[charismaticmegafauna]

....So what was it that leaked out of the 2nd place bike near the end of the race?

Looked like an oil-slick to me -- under Hodgson's #100 Honda CBR600RR special (cheater) race-bike. Those Hondas flirted, a little too casually, with the rule book -- and were caught this year.

News Flash: "Brit (on a Kawasaki) wins Daytona 200". Chaz Davies was moved up to first after Josh Hayes' Honda was disqualified for improper internal engine modifications (after teardown/inspection). Steve Rapp (Kaw) and Larry Pegram (Duc 848) moved-up to 2nd & 3rd, repectively.

It's been a well-known rumor that the Honda FX 600s (Daytona Specials) have been far from anything remotely recognized as 'stock' and have huge price-tags. So, it wouldn't surprise me if Hodgson's engine blew.

The 1200cc BMWs finished surprisingly well, to me. Way better than that 'monster' Buell XB12RR effort from past years.

Anyway, another Daytona 200 in the record books -- but not without drama and controversy.

 

[feejer222]

You beat me to it

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I assume that his team mate, Jake Zemke's engine would have been the same so the early retirement saved him the embarasment.

In the WSBK round at Silverstone 2 years ago a mate of mine rode in the superstock race as a wild card. The bike he was on (R1) was a BSB s/stock championship contender prepared by one of the most highly regarded teams in the paddock. When on the straights against the R1's that ran in the world championship week in week out he was left behind visibly. He said they just pulled away on the straights as if they had an extra 500cc.

It would appear that all is not fair in love and racing.

 

[Randy]

We'll have to see what the appeal brings up. Don't think they would be appealing it if they knew they were wrong. Can't take it away from Josh that he ran a helluva race and he should be extremely pissed if it turns out that his crew screwed him.

 

[feejer222]

We'll have to see what the appeal brings up. Don't think they would be appealing it if they knew they were wrong. Can't take it away from Josh that he ran a helluva race and he should be extremely pissed if it turns out that his crew screwed him.

To be honest Randy if they found what they did on the engine strip I don't see that the team have an argument. A stupid thing to do knowing that the first 3 get an automatic strip down. The work they did on the crank was not a 5 minute job from the sound of it. I reckon Josh should be pissed at the team not the rules if it sticks. Keep me informed.

You are right he rode an excellent race, and I doubt that crank poilishing had anything to do with him winning. Although when you think about it, the two from the same team cleared off from the start??!!

 

[Randy]

We'll have to see what the appeal brings up. Don't think they would be appealing it if they knew they were wrong. Can't take it away from Josh that he ran a helluva race and he should be extremely pissed if it turns out that his crew screwed him.

To be honest Randy if they found what they did on the engine strip I don't see that the team have an argument. A stupid thing to do knowing that the first 3 get an automatic strip down. The work they did on the crank was not a 5 minute job from the sound of it. I reckon Josh should be pissed at the team not the rules if it sticks. Keep me informed.

You are right he rode an excellent race, and I doubt that crank poilishing had anything to do with him winning. Although when you think about it, the two from the same team cleared off from the start??!!

If guilty, then, as much as I hate to say it, he needs to pay the piper. Although, again, if guilty I would be willing to bet that you could put him under the most sophisticated lie detector that you can find and you'll see that he had absolutely no knowledge. Josh is a great guy. We raced against him for many years and you'll be hard-pressed to find a friendlier or more genuine racer in the paddock.

 

[Randy]

Just thought of something else that would lead me to believe that this won't get overruled....

AMA just hired a new chief technical inspector. Jim Rashid of 4 & 6 cycles. Jim built many fast bikes. Back in the day, it was common to see his bikes running with, and sometimes away from, factory bikes.

This being his first national event, I would be willing to bet that he's going to be dead certain that he's right and realizes that something of this magnitude and garnering this much press will be challenged from all angles.

 

[feejer222]

The rules are the rules. Everyone gets away with what they can. I have been guilty of it as has everyone who has raced one way or another. At that level there is a lot at stake and it needs to be policed. Pity they dont do it in Europe as diligantly.

Does a team making a claim have to pay for the strip down if they are wrong? That is what is done here and puts off many complainers.

 

[Stephen]

I watched the end of the 250cc GP. Holy sh*t! Did you see the pass Pasini made on the last lap? Wow!

 

[Randy]

The rules are the rules. Everyone gets away with what they can. I have been guilty of it as has everyone who has raced one way or another. At that level there is a lot at stake and it needs to be policed. Pity they dont do it in Europe as diligantly.
Does a team making a claim have to pay for the strip down if they are wrong? That is what is done here and puts off many complainers.

Yep - same deal. Club racing and AMA racing is different.

Club racing has protest fees that start at small amounts and work their way up to $500 for teardown to the cases. If the protest is upheld, the fee is returned. If the protest is denied, the fee goes to the rider being protested.

AMA protest fee is $1000 for a technical protest and $500 for all other protests. Any additional costs incurred by the AMA will be charged to the person making the protest. Same deal - if upheld, fee is returned. If denied, protested rider gets the $.