twowheelnut
R.I.P. Our Motorcycling Friend
Holy simultaneous posting, Batman!
Gittin' goin' on the bike is one thing anyone can do. Whoain'-up is another that 90 - 95% of riders will fail at when pinched sphincter time comes. I'll take all the help I can get, thank you.When reading all the posts from those who love ABS and LBS, one must keep in mind that over 60% of FJR riders are gray haired old guys with slower reflexes, many of whom came to this bike from cruisers or from a mid-life retirement from riding motorcycles. So it's no surprise to see a bunch of support here for automated riding, these guys need all the help Yamaha can give them. Small wonder that automatic shifting is available in '06 as well - just good market research on Yamaha's part. Doesn't mean everyone wants to be forced down this road, however......
Those Keith Code style automatic training wheels will be next, to help all those who can't seem to remember how to navigate a parking lot or park their bike without tipping it over. :haha:
I've known both. Give me linkage or give me death! (Or something like that...)The fear of the unknown. And the fear of something new. What a person going to do?
Back to the original question.Say you don't like the linking of the brakes. Would you be able to come up with a set of lines to "delink" it? I've noticed in some pics that the front right caliper has two lines/banjos into it. Do we know if there is a "modulator" as in cars, that applies the rear caliper a fraction of a second before the front as to control the diving on the forks?
Don't know.... never had an ABS bike but I do like the idea. Not so sure about the "linking" thing... I use both brakes quite often (please don't go on a shpeal about rear brake usage...) and I don't know that I'd like the bike applying them for me.....
Just thinking....
That's cool. Each to his own. Still don't mean EVERYONE wants that level of help.Gittin' goin' on the bike is one thing anyone can do. Whoain'-up is another that 90 - 95% of riders will fail at when pinched sphincter time comes. I'll take all the help I can get, thank you.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:IMO, if the bike's going to start riding itself, I might as well sit on the pillion. It's softer and easier back there.
My buddy has a non abs gwing. Riding for many years he went to a course for expert riders. Came away swearing that he would always have abs from now on. They put you through some absolute max stopping exercises - scared himself !!Both my Gold Wing and VFR were non-ABS with linked brakes. Never once did tapping the brakes for corner entry cause issues. Indeed, the linked brakes allowed me to get hard on the brakes prior to entry to a point that I cannot match on the FJR. Braking through the corner was a comfy experience too, as you experience little brake dive that may cause your chassis to get unsettled. And never once did I lock a rear wheel with the LBS bikes even when trying. With the FJR, if I sneeze with my foot on the brake, the rear will lock up.I do brake just before a corner and may use the rear in the corner. Linked brakes bad for me.
That sounds reasonable!Incase Mother Yamaha is reading this thread I only want to add my comment that personally I don't want an FJR with linked brakes. As competition heats up and models similar to the FJR appear, the ability to obtain a non-linked brake model super sport-tourer will certainly play a role in the next bike I purchase. I love my current 05 FJR & think it is a fine machine. I would buy it again without a second thought. I just don't think linked brakes suit my riding style nor do I want to have to have them. Give me a choice Yamaha.
All very valid points. However it is raining and you are at the end of a long day and it is dark in the country on a less traveled road. Not quite as gifted and bright as you were 4 hours earlier. There are some leaves on the road impossible to see. Well you know the rest. Yes I know exactly how much brake to apply (maybe get lucky) but give me a computerised abs system under those circumstances to help me with my decision. Thank you Lord, I walked (rode) away from another one safely!!!That's cool. Each to his own. Still don't mean EVERYONE wants that level of help.Gittin' goin' on the bike is one thing anyone can do. Whoain'-up is another that 90 - 95% of riders will fail at when pinched sphincter time comes. I'll take all the help I can get, thank you.
The FJR is an extremely powerful bike with ~125 HP at the rear wheel. If one can learn to accelerate properly, then one can learn to brake properly as well. It's a simple matter of practicing and becoming familiar with your bike's performance capabilities. Same with cornering, or any other aspect of vehicle control. When you regularly practice controlling your vehicle, you find after a time that your reactions to emergency situations become automatic. This can be a good thing, as it helps prevent operator panic, a leading cause of operator error (which causes accidents).
But consider this also - if you develop the conditioned response of mashing the brakes in every emergency situation, and relying on the bike's computer to drive for you, what will happen if you decide to take a ride on a bike that lacks that level of automation, such as a friends bike? If you happened to encounter an emergency situation your conditioned response could easily take over, landing you flat on your ***.
I'm not anti-technology by any means. I loved electronic ignition from the start, and always hated points. Likewise with modern EFI, which was a primary concern in buying an FJR - I wanted to be done with carburetors on my main road bike. But those features simply make starting easier and improve engine performance - they don't ride the bike for me.
IMO, if the bike's going to start riding itself, I might as well sit on the pillion. It's softer and easier back there.
Arrrggg I am a grey hair, wow do you give us a thrashing! One point though the AE does not shift automatically!When reading all the posts from those who love ABS and LBS, one must keep in mind that over 60% of FJR riders are gray haired old guys with slower reflexes, many of whom came to this bike from cruisers or from a mid-life retirement from riding motorcycles. So it's no surprise to see a bunch of support here for automated riding, these guys need all the help Yamaha can give them. Small wonder that automatic shifting is available in '06 as well - just good market research on Yamaha's part. Doesn't mean everyone wants to be forced down this road, however......
Those Keith Code style automatic training wheels will be next, to help all those who can't seem to remember how to navigate a parking lot or park their bike without tipping it over. :haha:
Yeah, but YT, it was on a Venture! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA!I had linked/anti-dive on my '91 Venture. Hated it. The rear braked not only didn't work the front disk very well--it also didn't work the rear disk very well, and no adjusted and bleeding would fix it. It just stunk.
Now I have the '04 ABS FJR--UN-linked and I much prefer that, especially on dirt or gravel roads.
Brake-linking is one of those ideas that SOUND like a good idea, but isn't.
I gave mine a year. The linked braking and the looks were probably the only things I liked about it. It was a nice cruiser, but cruisers aren't really nice bikes. Just don't tell that to the cruiser guys.PPS Had a VTX 1800 once lasted about a month sold it, hate that cruiser riding position!
Cmon Yanktar...you can`t compare your ole '91 Venture brakes (which would have been designed in the late 80s ) to present day tech./engineering ! Not even close... :assasin:I had linked/anti-dive on my '91 Venture. Hated it. The rear braked not only didn't work the front disk very well--it also didn't work the rear disk very well, and no adjusted and bleeding would fix it. It just stunk.
Now I have the '04 ABS FJR--UN-linked and I much prefer that, especially on dirt or gravel roads.
Brake-linking is one of those ideas that SOUND like a good idea, but isn't.
Enter your email address to join: