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Fred W

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Put on my 3rd PR2 rear tire before EOM after I FAILED installing a car tire.

The last PR2 still had a little life left in it (mostly in the middle <_< ) but I knew there would be a few miles of twisties being ridden in Kentucky. so... :rolleyes:

Tire mounted with no problems at all and balanced well. Inflated to 42 psi and held pressure well. Rode on it a few times before doing 3k miles at EOM. On the way home on Tuesday I noticed that there was a crack in the tread that apparently aligns with the tire's molding line.

Here's a picture of the molding line that is present in both my and Mary Ellen's front and rear tires

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You have to look closely, but it's a fine line that is slightly offset the same amount in each tire. This makes me feel that this is an artifact of the manufacturing process. I'm not sure exactly how it gets there, but I envision there being two pours of the liquid rubber into the mold and this would be where the two halves meet.

Now here is where my rear tire has developed a split in that seam.

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It is impossible to tell how deep that split goes. The tire is still holding air just fine, and it may be able to continue through its full life, but as we were strafing high speed sweepers through Vermont at ~70 mph on the way home I had in the back of my mind: What would happen with a sudden pressure loss through a split that size?

The tire has been at optimum pressure (42 psi) and has not yet been overloaded or over ~90 mph.

I bought the tire from Jake Wilson and intend to send them these picture tomorrow to see how they will proceed. That tire has only 4300 miles which is well less than half of what I'd expect.

I must admit that I am a little disappointed, though I've never heard of this kind of an issue with the PR2's before and it doesn't yet seem to be any kind of a trend.

Maybe that CT isn't such a bad idea after all? :unsure:

 
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Put on my 3rd PR2 rear tire before EOM after I FAILED installing a car tire.

maybe that CT isn't such a bad idea after all? :unsure:
Fred,

 

I was worried that my tires would go flat after hitting that hole in the entrance to I84.

 

Do you think that had anything to do with it?

 

I'm going to look over the rims very carefully because I hit that hole pretty hard.

 

Bill

 
I would be surprised if there is an intentional seam there, but that's what it looks like. Can you see cord through the gap?

 
Send pictures and text to Michelin and ask for a reply. Also send pictures to NTSB, National Transportation Safety Board. They keep a record of manufactures defects. If they get enough complaints, they will institute a recall.

 
looks like a warranty issue. Never seen a split like that except when the cords start showing.

 
Regardless of mileage, I agree with those who suggest contacting who you bought it from first and then Michelin if they don't take care of it. That clearly looks like a manufacturers defect. I have been runnning PR2's and have noticed that seem on all of them.

 
WA state friend had same thing happen 2 yrs ago on PR2 rear on SV650. very conservative rider, too.

upset, talked to his local dealer (bought/installed), who then contacted Michelin and the fellow was basically told 'we're not doing anything' by factory.

Dealer gave some satisfaction, think mounted some free take-offs?, but left bad taste in mouth.

bet you'll have better luck, yes-I'm sure you will, how's that for a positive outlook?

 
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Fred

I have noticed that moulding line on the PR2's as well. I hope your split is an isolated case. I know I am going to have a really close look at my current PR2's right away. Please make a note of the manufacture date code and manufacture location and post it. Michelin has a number of manufacturing locations and this may represent a problem from one plant during a particular date range. (Not sure if PR2's are made in more than one place).

I remember an issue with Metzeler tires (ME880) used on Ventures a few years ago... There were several documented cases of the rear tires "chunking" - essentially falling apart. I'm sure there weren't a lot but enough cases were reported to almost eliminate the 880 as a tire of choice in the forum I belonged to. In the case of the Metzelers, I think they discovered that most of the problems were from a Brazilian plant - not the main German one. If PR2 reliability becomes an issue, the sport-touring community will find out and it won't take long before a different tire becomes the almost universal favorite. Doesn't take many failures to ruin a company's reputation; especially when it comes to an important safety issue such as tires!

Ross

 
I was worried that my tires would go flat after hitting that hole in the entrance to I84.

Do you think that had anything to do with it?
Quite possibly that is the cause. That thought did enter my mind.

But I didn't think hit the pot hole bad enough that I would have expected wheel tire damage. My rim is just fine as far as I can tell right now.

I would be surprised if there is an intentional seam there, but that's what it looks like. Can you see cord through the gap?
That seam is clearly there on the front and rear of both my and Mary Ellen's bikes, plus 4 of the 5 old PR2s I have stacked up in the garage. I'll try to figure out what is different about the one rear tire that I have that doesn't seem to have a seam.

And no, the split is very narrow, just as it looks in the picture. I can't really even see how deep it is, never mind see cords. When I take the tire off I'll be able to get a better sense of how deep it is.

I presume that is a B spec tire or is it?
Nope. This is the standard rear tire. Word on the street is that the tires wear and perform pretty much the same. Perhaps not when fully loaded for a week long vacation, 2-up and hitting pot holes. I probably should have been using a B spec. If/when I put another PR2 on there it will be a B spec.

Should continue to be airtight since the inner liner is the tire's tube.

Hmmm... Would you be willing to bet your life on that? 'Cause I'm not.

Information from the tire's sidewalls:
 
180/55 ZR17 M/C (73W)
LR B
Max Load 365kg (805 lbs)
at 290 kPa (42 psi)
 
DOT W87D 003X 0711
Tread plies 2 Polymide +
1 Aramid
Sidewall plies 2 Polymide
 
WGA 4NK
06-03758-01
 
U
 
Made in Thailand

I will be removing the tire either today or tomorrow. I'll keep the forum posted on the responses I get from Jake Wilson (where I bought the tire) and Michelin.

 
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OK, you made me go look. The PR2 on the back of my bike right now seems seamless. I bought it last year some time and installed it less than a month ago. The other one in the garage was bought earlier and does have the seam. Both are made in Thailand, I think they both came from SWMOTO. I have others outside in my used tire pile, but it's raining today and I might melt if I go out to look them over.

 
Friday Update:

After removing the defective tire, I can now flex the sidewalls together and see how deep the crevice is. It is not very deep, maybe 1 mm. Definitely not down to the cords. So, I was never in any dire danger. But still...

I have contacted Jake Wilson about warranty claim and they responded that they are forwarding my message to the warranty claims department, so I will wait and see what happens there.

 
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