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I keep reading through these threads looking for my answer. I just had the ECU recall done on my 07 AE with 7300 miles. I go to the dealer and he looks at me and says it sounds a little rough when cold, but it is all good when it's warmed up. He asked me if it did this before and I said no. Since I suffered from the altitude problem. It had to be replaced. Before it would rev high until it warmed a little and now it don't rev high at all and sounds like it could even die on me. Seems a bit jerky now too at slow speeds even when warm unless I get on it. Nice that the start up clunk is now gone, but does anyone know what is the deal here? All stock setup with exhaust and such. Should I even worry about it? Thanks to any replies.

Brent

 
When it is warm is the idle the same as it was pre-recall? Something has changed. If the idle is too low it will run rough cold. First thing I thought was that maybe a connection in the ECU area isn't completely tight, but one would think that it would be rough all the time if that was the case. Warm idle should be 1100 rpm.

 
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I don't know why they would have been in there for an ECU replacement, but one wonders if they messed with the fast idle equipment under the throttle bodies, or got something jammed up in there.

Cold idle should be up around 2000 or so, and warm idle should be 1100. Warm idle is the only one you can adjust, using the knob in the right side of the fairing, cold idle should automatically be raised. If the idle is too low an AE will feel rough starting off from a stop, even warm. But if it's raised too high, it may try to start engaging the clutch before you've told it to, just from engine RPM. I wonder then if they set the idle too low because that happened to them in the shop.

 
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Cold idle should be up around 2000 or so, and warm idle should be 1100.
I'm not so sure it's exactly the same on the Gen II as the Gen I Walt. I know the Fast Idle is completely different on the Gen II. I also don't think it goes up to 2,000 rpm as on the Gen Is.

 
Cold idle should be up around 2000 or so, and warm idle should be 1100.
I'm not so sure it's exactly the same on the Gen II as the Gen I Walt. I know the Fast Idle is completely different on the Gen II. I also don't think it goes up to 2,000 rpm as on the Gen Is.
Gunny what Greg says...most reported "high/cold" idles are around 1500. Too low, if you ask me, and I believe it was purposely set low so AE models wouldn't engage their clutches, but the motor is the same as non-AEs, and a higher cold-idle is only gonna be a good thing.

 
When it is warm is the idle the same as it was pre-recall? Something has changed. If the idle is too low it will run rough cold. First thing I thought was that maybe a connection in the ECU area isn't completely tight, but one would think that it would be rough all the time if that was the case. Warm idle should be 1100 rpm.
When warm it sounds lower than pre-recall, but steady. When it is cold, it's sound terrible. Before the ECU, it reved high then lowered after about a minute. Now, it's just sick sounding when cold and not steady, but lower, steady and doesn't rev up and down when warm. I know this is clear as mud. That's the best way I can describe it though. I might mention that I have done the spring unwind one revolution. Anyone know if there were some bad ECU's or does the ECU for an AE differ? Is there a seperate cold and warm idle adjustment on the Gen II?

Thanks

 
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I don't know why they would have been in there for an ECU replacement, but one wonders if they messed with the fast idle equipment under the throttle bodies, or got something jammed up in there.
Cold idle should be up around 2000 or so, and warm idle should be 1100. Warm idle is the only one you can adjust, using the knob in the right side of the fairing, cold idle should automatically be raised. If the idle is too low an AE will feel rough starting off from a stop, even warm. But if it's raised too high, it may try to start engaging the clutch before you've told it to, just from engine RPM. I wonder then if they set the idle too low because that happened to them in the shop.
High idle won't cause premature engagement, the computer follows the idle speed to work out its engagement speed. When all fully warmed up, engagement speed is 1800, disengagement 1300.

If the idle speed is really too high, the MCU will throw a dicky-fit, display an error code (Sh__48 if memory serves), and refuse to engage at all.

When it is warm is the idle the same as it was pre-recall? Something has changed. If the idle is too low it will run rough cold. First thing I thought was that maybe a connection in the ECU area isn't completely tight, but one would think that it would be rough all the time if that was the case. Warm idle should be 1100 rpm.
When warm it sounds lower than pre-recall, but steady. When it is cold, it's sound terrible. Before the ECU, it reved high then lowered after about a minute. Now, it's just sick sounding when cold and not steady, but lower, steady and doesn't rev up and down when warm. I know this is clear as mud. That's the best way I can describe it though. I might mention that I have done the spring unwind one revolution. Anyone know if there were some bad ECU's or does the ECU for an AE differ? Is there a seperate cold and warm idle adjustment on the Gen II?

Thanks
The ECU for the AE I believe is different, not 100% sure, but it does do a lot of communication with the YCC-S MCU, and there are differences in the wiring to it, but it is possible it's "one size fits all".

As for the idle speed, both my FJRs have "liked" 900 rpm warm idle speed. With that I get/got no hesitancy on revving the engine, hot or (fast idling) cold, in neutral or in gear.

Too high (and I'd call 1100 too high), you get an apparent reluctance to dis-engage the clutch when coming to a stop, feels just like a conventional if you don't disengage the clutch soon enough. For the record, the workshop manual calls for 1000-1100, but I treat that as a guide, not an absolute requirement.

However, it does sound like bthomas's bike may have its idle set too low, so, bthomas, what does your tacho read when your bike is warm? I vote for anywhere between 900 and 1000 as optimum.

And I've never heard of a bad ECU, but there's a first time for everything! I suppose it could be an incorrectly seated connection, but I doubt that, it does so many system checks it would be most unlikely not to throw a code.

Just re-read your original post, you said

Before it would rev high until it warmed a little and now it don't rev high at all.
That is WRONG WRONG WRONG. If there's no fast idle, I'm not surprised it sounds terrible. I'm surprised it runs at all.

The fast idle is nothing to do with the ECU, it's a mechanical wax stat thingy, I've found RadioHowie's description here. Ok, the Gen II has a different characteristic from the Gen I, but the mechanism is functionally the same. Sounds like the dealer has screwed something up, though why he should go near the throttle bodies to change the ECU I've no idea.

 
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I don't know why they would have been in there for an ECU replacement, but one wonders if they messed with the fast idle equipment under the throttle bodies, or got something jammed up in there.

Cold idle should be up around 2000 or so, and warm idle should be 1100. Warm idle is the only one you can adjust, using the knob in the right side of the fairing, cold idle should automatically be raised. If the idle is too low an AE will feel rough starting off from a stop, even warm. But if it's raised too high, it may try to start engaging the clutch before you've told it to, just from engine RPM. I wonder then if they set the idle too low because that happened to them in the shop.
High idle won't cause premature engagement, the computer follows the idle speed to work out its engagement speed. When all fully warmed up, engagement speed is 1800, disengagement 1300.

If the idle speed is really too high, the MCU will throw a dicky-fit, display an error code (Sh__48 if memory serves), and refuse to engage at all.

When it is warm is the idle the same as it was pre-recall? Something has changed. If the idle is too low it will run rough cold. First thing I thought was that maybe a connection in the ECU area isn't completely tight, but one would think that it would be rough all the time if that was the case. Warm idle should be 1100 rpm.
When warm it sounds lower than pre-recall, but steady. When it is cold, it's sound terrible. Before the ECU, it reved high then lowered after about a minute. Now, it's just sick sounding when cold and not steady, but lower, steady and doesn't rev up and down when warm. I know this is clear as mud. That's the best way I can describe it though. I might mention that I have done the spring unwind one revolution. Anyone know if there were some bad ECU's or does the ECU for an AE differ? Is there a seperate cold and warm idle adjustment on the Gen II?

Thanks
The ECU for the AE I believe is different, not 100% sure, but it does do a lot of communication with the YCC-S MCU, and there are differences in the wiring to it, but it is possible it's "one size fits all".

As for the idle speed, both my FJRs have "liked" 900 rpm warm idle speed. With that I get/got no hesitancy on revving the engine, hot or (fast idling) cold, in neutral or in gear.

Too high (and I'd call 1100 too high), you get an apparent reluctance to dis-engage the clutch when coming to a stop, feels just like a conventional if you don't disengage the clutch soon enough. For the record, the workshop manual calls for 1000-1100, but I treat that as a guide, not an absolute requirement.

However, it does sound like bthomas's bike may have its idle set too low, so, bthomas, what does your tacho read when your bike is warm? I vote for anywhere between 900 and 1000 as optimum.

And I've never heard of a bad ECU, but there's a first time for everything! I suppose it could be an incorrectly seated connection, but I doubt that, it does so many system checks it would be most unlikely not to throw a code.

Just re-read your original post, you said

Before it would rev high until it warmed a little and now it don't rev high at all.
That is WRONG WRONG WRONG. If there's no fast idle, I'm not surprised it sounds terrible. I'm surprised it runs at all.
The fast idle is nothing to do with the ECU, it's a mechanical wax stat thingy, I've found RadioHowie's description here. Ok, the Gen II has a different characteristic from the Gen I, but the mechanism is functionally the same. Sounds like the dealer has screwed something up, though why he should go near the throttle bodies to change the ECU I've no idea.
Yep, I gotta take back the doesn't rev higher at cold. I just went and checked again. Because I am not used to it being so low as it was pre ECU. It is running at 1400 rpm's when first started and round 700 rpm's when it warms a bit.

I blipped the throttle and three different times, it died. Blipping around the 3000 rpm mark, I can hear (for lack of a better explaination) like it is wanting to die instead of a smooth lowering, but just around the 2000 range Also, looks like the headlights are going dimm and then the brighten back up at rest (though not purring steadily like before) at the 700 rpm range. I know this is confusing. It is to me too and can't understand how the wiring recall and ecu replacement can make such a difference alone.

Thanks All

 
I don't know why they would have been in there for an ECU replacement, but one wonders if they messed with the fast idle equipment under the throttle bodies, or got something jammed up in there.

Cold idle should be up around 2000 or so, and warm idle should be 1100. Warm idle is the only one you can adjust, using the knob in the right side of the fairing, cold idle should automatically be raised. If the idle is too low an AE will feel rough starting off from a stop, even warm. But if it's raised too high, it may try to start engaging the clutch before you've told it to, just from engine RPM. I wonder then if they set the idle too low because that happened to them in the shop.
Per your post. Sounds like mine is way low. Why on earth would the dealer mess with that? Cause it was engaging. I like the AE but dang it if I can understand all the aspects of it.

 
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Yep, I gotta take back the doesn't rev higher at cold. I just went and checked again. Because I am not used to it being so low as it was pre ECU. It is running at 1400 rpm's when first started and round 700 rpm's when it warms a bit.
700 = TOO LOW!

950-1050 = GOLDILOCKS!

Get that idle up, drive it for a few days and report back. This is one vehicle where idle speed makes a difference.

 
I had to set it at 1000. I could go all the way in with the adjustment and only get 1100 or 1200 rpm's and it was erratic. I turned it back down a little and it damn near quit at slow speeds going up hill. I gotta feeling the dealer turned it down low so it wouldn't sound so erratic. Right now it will bounce between 900 and 1100. At least it don't seem like it's going to die when I blip the throttle. I had a feeling this ecu thing wasn't going to go so well, but I do go in the mountains alot so I had to do it. thanks for all the advice from everyone as it does seem a little better. I'm still taking advice btw.

 
.... I had a feeling this ecu thing wasn't going to go so well, but I do go in the mountains alot so I had to do it. thanks for all the advice from everyone as it does seem a little better. I'm still taking advice btw.
Couple things you could check:

1- Make sure your ECU Connector is Mounted Correctly and that some wires are not pushed out.

2- You may get some assistance from a TBS (Throttle Body Sync)

 
Bout decided to take it back to the dealer. It won't rev higher than 1100 rpm's no matter if I turn the idle all the way up or not. Sounds like crap when I even get close to 1000. If I turn it down to say 800 rpm's, it levels out, but can't even do slow up my driveway without it nearly dying. What's everyone's opinion? All I know is it was all good before the ECU ( except in the hills). I checked the wiring and it looks all good.

Thanks

 
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Since all was good before ECU replacement (other than altitude sickness) take it back to the dealer and have them fix it. Setting the idle extremely low to mask a bad idle is not the answer.

Don't go in with an attitude just explain the situation, ask for their help and don't accept the bike until it is repaired to your satisfaction.

Good luck!

--G

 
Since all was good before ECU replacement (other than altitude sickness) take it back to the dealer and have them fix it. Setting the idle extremely low to mask a bad idle is not the answer.

Don't go in with an attitude just explain the situation, ask for their help and don't accept the bike until it is repaired to your satisfaction.

Good luck!

--G
I took it back and they put the old one back on. They said they didn't think it was right when they put it on in the first place but hoped they it would smooth out. Another ECU is on the way.

They said they had one come in for a stratoliner that was bad also. Here's hoping...

 
(sheesh...n00bs!)

So you didn't say, how does it run with the old/original ECU?

(blood from a turnip with these guys :p :D )

 
Took bike (also '07) into dealer last year for ground wire recall. Immediately upon picking up bike it had low RPM issues; stumbling, throttle abruptness coming off idle and occasional stalling when applying throttle. Long story short, it was bad connections between battery and coils. Cleaned connections and problem has never returned. Actually runs better then when I picked it up in '09 with 1900 miles. There was no sign of corrosion at any of the wires/connections and none of my tests (voltage, ignition firing) indicated a problem. In my forum search I found many reports of '06/07 models with mysterious low RPM throttle issues that was traced to electrical connection issues.

 
(sheesh...n00bs!)

So you didn't say, how does it run with the old/original ECU?

(blood from a turnip with these guys :p :D )

(sheesh... smartasses)

So how do you think it ran prior? I would have prob asked about it before the ECU replacement huh. jk

:)

I appreciate your prior responses, but I highly doubt you are the greatest ever FJR authority ever born.

BTW, I can take a stab and give em. how bout you?

 
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