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I am working on a little project and can use some help from someone shmarter than I. If you come up with a solution that I use, I'll send you a free set of light brackets or tailcones or...

Anyways, I need a gizmo that can be driven or controlled by a varying voltage, say, 1-5 vdc and provides a separate 0 to 10k ohm output. If the voltage is lost, it must spring back or return to 0 (or minimal) ohms. I've been looking at motor-driven potentiometers, but haven't come up with a solution yet - any ideas? :huh:

 
I am working on a little project and can use some help from someone shmarter than I. If you come up with a solution that I use, I'll send you a free set of light brackets or tailcones or...

Anyways, I need a gizmo that can be driven or controlled by a varying voltage, say, 1-5 vdc and provides a separate 0 to 10k ohm output. If the voltage is lost, it must spring back or return to 0 (or minimal) ohms. I've been looking at motor-driven potentiometers, but haven't come up with a solution yet - any ideas? :huh:
A Flux Capacitor is what you need! ;)

 
Does it need to be really small? As if to put in a bike somewhere?

 
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Does it need to be really small? As if to put in a bike somewhere?
Yes - small is good. I'm thinking smaller than one of those mini air compressors.

Not sure exactly what you are trying to control though.
If I told you, I'd have to ...

My need is to get a 10k ohm output based on some variable voltage.

I've been looking at RC servos hooked up to a 10k pot also. There are driver cards that are quite small.

 
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How much amperage are you going to put through it?

I don't have any useful input, but I'm curious. :)

 
How much amperage are you going to put through it?
-unknown at this time, but expected to be minimal. The resistance is an input into a larger device I wish to control. I'll try and get an answer.

FJRBilldo - how could I drive a Maxim Max5529 digital pot? I'm not familiar with serial signals.

 
A millivolt contol safety vlv using a thermo couple, they work like a champ, and always fail on the safe side..

FWFE

but then you need a pilot to generate heat for the t-couple.

 
How much amperage are you going to put through it?
-unknown at this time, but expected to be minimal. The resistance is an input into a larger device I wish to control. I'll try and get an answer.

FJRBilldo - how could I drive a Maxim Max5529 digital pot? I'm not familiar with serial signals.

Take a look at this data sheet and see if it would meet your needs.

My link

 
The resistance is an input into a larger device I wish to control.
Do you mean that the resistance is controlling the voltage of an analog input to the larger device?

I've been playing around with microcontroller programming and basic electronic circuits, and inputs are basically always either digital (near 0V -> 0, otherwise -> 1), or analog voltage inputs. I'm not aware of using resistance itself directly as an input.

 
That simple circuit I posted about earlier... use a small relay to be energized when working and shorts the input (10K) out when failed. Remember, KISS

 
The larger device is looking for a 0 to 10k ohm pot - I don't know if it is looking for a voltage drop or current.
Then it's probably just an analog voltage input. The input voltage needs to between 0V and some voltage determined by the device. It's really important to understand that voltages are all relative measurements. You can't hook up 2 different circuits with their own power supplies and assume that 0V on one circuit is also 0V on the other circuit.

That's where the potentiometer comes in. If you were to use a potentiometer (as the device calls for), you would need to hook up 3 wires from the device to the pot: Voltage supply (I'll call this V+ from here on), ground (Vo), and a variable voltage signal line (Vinput):

Code:
Vo ---\/\/\/\/\/\/\/---- V+
       ^
       |
     Vinput
Voltage at one end of the resister of the pot is a full V+, while at the other end, it is Vo. The Vinput connection to the pot is the part that sweeps across the resister. With a linear pot, the voltage changes linearly across the resister, so the voltage reading of Vinput will be directly proportional to the position of the pot. What the device is really looking for is a difference between the input voltage and the device's Vo, and it can't read anything higher than the device's V+.

What's great about this 3-wire potentiometer setup is that there's no worrying about making sure the voltage is in the correct range. It's automatically guaranteed to be exactly within the range, because the device is providing the lower and upper bound reference voltages to the potentiometer.

Without knowing enough details about your project, it sounds like you have a completely separate circuit that you want to interface with this device. If, by chance, both devices are powered from the same power supply, then you can directly connect your variable voltage to the device's input. One way to accomplish this is to piggyback your circuit onto the device, so that your curcuit is connected to the device's Vo and V+ for power. Any voltage output of your circuit is now guaranteed to be within the correct range (unless you do some kind of voltage shifting/amplifying). Your circuit would simply take the place of a potentiometer.

Warning: being powered off of the same battery/electrical system does not necessarily equate to sharing a power supply. For example, an electronic device powered by our bike's electrical system probably has its own voltage regaulator to run on something like 5v rather than the electrical system's 12v. If some other device operates directly off of the 12v and provides a signal to the 5v device, bad stuff will happen. However, if both devices operate off of 5v regulators, then it would be safe to directly interface them. They both share the same reference point for 0v. Due to variations in voltage regulators, they might not both be running on exactly 5v (relative to that shared 0v reference point), but it will be close enough.

If both circuits share a 0v reference, but operate on different voltages, then there's still probably simple ways (circuitry) to scale your circuit's variable voltage to be within the expected range of the device's input. A mechanical servo and potentiometer is way over complicated. I suspect the digital potentiometer approach is even way over complicated.

 
BTW - the only importance of the 10k ohms specification is that you need a large enough resistance across the entire resistor of the potentiometer so that your potentiometer is not wasting tons of power and burning up (current draw = voltage / resistance). But it also can't be too big because of other stuff I don't understand well enough to try to explain (something about a very high resistance involved internally in the device's analog input, and if the pot's resistance is too close to that amount, then it starts reading a non-linear result due to something about everything acting as a complex set of voltage dividers or something).

My point is that the amount of resistance is not what the device is measuring. All it cares about is the voltage.

 
I am working on a little project and can use some help from someone shmarter than I. If you come up with a solution that I use, I'll send you a free set of light brackets or tailcones or...

Anyways, I need a gizmo that can be driven or controlled by a varying voltage, say, 1-5 vdc and provides a separate 0 to 10k ohm output. If the voltage is lost, it must spring back or return to 0 (or minimal) ohms. I've been looking at motor-driven potentiometers, but haven't come up with a solution yet - any ideas? :huh:

use a small relay to be energized when working and shorts the input (10K) out when failed.
The 0-10k ohm needs to be linear wrt the controlling voltage, i.e., if I have 3 vdc, I would like to see about 5k ohm output.
We could use relay contacts wired across the resistor that are open when the voltage is present with the relay energized, and when the voltage is missing or lost, the relay would be off and the relay contacts close shorting across the resistor to provide that failsafe zero ohm you need.

 
I'm definitely no sparky but for some reason I vaguely remember something about only being able to "control" on voltage or current, not resistance. I know they are all inter-related but the output or control function can't be resistance, or that it's really difficult. Or, ultametly is actually one of the other two. Think of it as voltage and current as "active things", resistance just lays there.

But this is from a guy that mostly deals with steel...

Where's Ionbeam?

 
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