EPA Certification Status and Sticker Location

[JamesK]

I've searched but not found anything relevant.

I have a NON CA '07 FJR1300A and need to identify whether it meets the CA EPA standards or what would be necessary to bring it up to CA level. For example would I need to buy a carbon filter canister to connect to the currently blocked off hose hanging off the PAIR system, anything else? And how could I buy/find this part if it does not show up on the CA spec microfiche?

The microfiche for the PAIR system on the CA model looks identical to the non CA models, but I believe there is an additional carbon filter canister on the CA spec bikes?

Does anyone know what the differences are in terms of the extra anti-pollution crap they put on the CA Gen II FJRs and if there is an EPA sticker anywhere on the bike. The only two stickers I know of are the VIN sticker up front on the RHS of the frame and the tire pressure sticker on the RHS of the swing arm.

Yamaha USA was of ZERO help when I called them yesterday and simply told me to look on the web for CA Emissions requirements. They would not even tell me what the differences were or why they were not listed on the microfiche.

In my web searches I found that any bike that was originally non-CA spec does not require to have a Smog inspection if it has over 7,500 miles, since mine has more than 10x that mileage I think I'm safe on that one.



However I still need to know if there is an EPA sticker somewhere on the FJR so that I could know what it says. For example, I heard that say Honda bikes sold in the US are all 50 State certified...

What I'm looking for is something like this, which according to this site can be found on the Triumph bikes



Would really appreciate any help you guys can offer with this.

 

[wfooshee]

With the mileage, I don't think it matters.

The canister is not on the PAIR system, it's on the fuel tank vent hoses. Look on the fuel tank fiche and you'll find it.

As for an EPA label like you've shown, I have no clue, never saw one. Howie's been further into his bike than most of us, maybe he's noticed something like that.

Those automotive stickers show that they comply to OBD-II specs, which is not applicable to bikes.

 

[Crash Cash]

AH HA! That's the info I needed... my SV-650 IS a CA-spec one, and apparently the dealer either just lied or doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. I had my suspicions when I noticed the canister hidden in the rear bodywork.

The emissions sticker on my '07 FJR is on the rear fender, immediately aft of the rear seat latch. You can see it just by popping off the rear seat.

Edit: There are 3 required certifications: safety, emissions, and noise. They may be combined or 3 separate stickers.

 

[JamesK]

With the mileage, I don't think it matters.
The canister is not on the PAIR system, it's on the fuel tank vent hoses. Look on the fuel tank fiche and you'll find it.

As for an EPA label like you've shown, I have no clue, never saw one. Howie's been further into his bike than most of us, maybe he's noticed something like that.

Those automotive stickers show that they comply to OBD-II specs, which is not applicable to bikes.

Thanks Wfooshee, I see what you mean.

I am also curious if any vehicle, bike or car would be withing the new vehicle emissions specs after around 88K miles on the ODO. For example, when I was re-installing the PAIR system (what a futile job) I followed HaulinAshe's advice and checked (when replacing the WynPro block off plates with the OEM stuff) the PAIR valves and the perforated plates they seat in. All I can say is that they were 98% or more blocked up with spluge meaning that whole PAIR system would have been totally ineffective since about 52K miles when I originally blocked it off. I cleaned them up like new, so hopefully that will help... Plus of course normal wear and tear on engine components should also play a part in the emissions output?

I hope the test people/centers make allowances for higher mileage bikes/cars when they perform the test.

Would any kind sole with a CA bike who's pulled all this useless extra weight crap off be interested in renting or selling it to me? Since as soon as my FJR is registered all this extra crap and the PAIR system will be off in a New York minute.

Here is what the needed parts list comes to, un f*#@& believable.

 

[JamesK]

AH HA! That's the info I needed... my SV-650 IS a CA-spec one, and apparently the dealer either just lied or doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. I had my suspicions when I noticed the canister hidden in the rear bodywork.
The emissions sticker on my '07 FJR is on the rear fender, immediately aft of the rear seat latch. You can see it just by popping off the rear seat.

Edit: There are 3 required certifications: safety, emissions, and noise. They may be combined or 3 separate stickers.

Thank you Crash Cash, I'll go look right now.

 

[JamesK]

Thanks to Crash Cash here is a pic of my EPA Sticker, right were he said it would be.

Now could some one with a CA spec '06/'07 FJR1300A please post a picture of their EPA Sticker so I could compare. From what I can see on my sticker is does not seem to specify whether this bike is certified for the 49 States or 50 States - interesting.

 

[wfooshee]

I still think this is a non-issue since it's high enough mileage to be registered used. It couldn't be sold new in CA, but used is OK.

Motorcycles don't get smog-tested anyway, even in counties where cars do.

Ride the damn bike and don't worry about it. You don't need the stuff on it. No PAIR, no canister. Good to go.

Granted, I'm not in CA and my info is from Googling, but Google is giving me CA DMV sites for this.

 

[JamesK]

I still think this is a non-issue since it's high enough mileage to be registered used. It couldn't be sold new in CA, but used is OK.
Motorcycles don't get smog-tested anyway, even in counties where cars do.

Ride the damn bike and don't worry about it. You don't need the stuff on it. No PAIR, no canister. Good to go.

Granted, I'm not in CA and my info is from Googling, but Google is giving me CA DMV sites for this.

The problem is the bike is going to Japan, and those guys defined the words by the book and anal.

 

[wfooshee]

So why is post #8 the first time you mentioned Japan, and what does that have to do with the second sentence in post #1? The whole thread appeared to be about bringing a non-CA bike into CA, which given the mileage is not a problem.

It's still a non-CA bike, so it doesn't need the canister on the fuel tank vents. Period. I don't know the rules about Japan, but I don't think anybody can require a used vehicle to be brought up to standards is was not built for. Is it being sold in Japan as a used vehicle, or imported for you to ride while on vacation, or stationed there? Exporting to another country is a whole different question from meeting CA smog rules. Which again, it doesn't need to do.

The bike met the 49-state standards when it was built and sold new, that's all it EVER has to meet.

 

[JamesK]

I hope you're right, but I'm only re-iterating what I've been told by one of the companies that does this kind of import/export. And that is that the Japanese emissions rules are very similar to CA and that the bike should be able to meet CA emissions standards. They also alluded to having to add all that extra emissions crap, the only unknown still is if the kind of mileage my bike has will make a difference. I am moving back to Japan and will be bringing my FJR with me.

 

[airboss]

So why is post #8 the first time you mentioned Japan, and what does that have to do with the second sentence in post #1? The whole thread appeared to be about bringing a non-CA bike into CA, which given the mileage is not a problem.
It's still a non-CA bike, so it doesn't need the canister on the fuel tank vents. Period. I don't know the rules about Japan, but I don't think anybody can require a used vehicle to be brought up to standards is was not built for. Is it being sold in Japan as a used vehicle, or imported for you to ride while on vacation, or stationed there? Exporting to another country is a whole different question from meeting CA smog rules. Which again, it doesn't need to do.

The bike met the 49-state standards when it was built and sold new, that's all it EVER has to meet.

Japan being a whole different country, rules can be very different.

James, unless your covered by SOFA (status of forces agreement) you could very well be required to upgrade to Japanese emissions and safety standards.

Try this link, may get some help from local ex-pats with first hand experience.

SBK Japan

Look up the Dude, he's posted some ride reports over here a few times.

 

[JamesK]

Japan being a whole different country, rules can be very different.
James, unless your covered by SOFA (status of forces agreement) you could very well be required to upgrade to Japanese emissions and safety standards.

Try this link, may get some help from local ex-pats with first hand experience.

SBK Japan

Look up the Dude, he's posted some ride reports over here a few times.

Thanks Airboss, that was what I was trying to explain before. Unfortunately I'm a civi so don't get any of the benefits/breaks the military guys get.

I know Dude and am in contact with him now, he imported his US gray import 05 FJR (while still very new) from the UK when he moved to Japan a few years ago, but does not remember if it was a CA or Non-CA spec.

 

[wfooshee]

OK, so you're a civilian moving to Japan and importing your bike with the move. Is it permanent, or a year or two? That makes a difference according to stuff I found here.

You can import a car into Japan tax- and duty-free as long as it leaves with you when you leave. With proof of ownership before you leave the US, it returns to the US duty free. I didn't see anything specific to motorcycles except a 50cc limit for a "regular" Japanese driver license.

I saw no mention of emissions rules on those imports into Japan, but the site is geared towards temporary (even if long-term) expatriots. There's also a forum link, but I didn't investigate. Hey, it's not me moving over there!!!

 

[JamesK]

wfooshee thx for the link, will check it out.

I don't know how long I'll be in Japan, depends on work. I am in the US on a work visa so I don't think that rule would apply to me.

 

[dcarver]

JamesK, maybe this will help - 2006 CA sticker pix.

 

[JamesK]

JamesK, maybe this will help - 2006 CA sticker pix.

Thanks Don,

The obvious difference I can spot is an extra line on top "EVAP Family: xxxxxx" and the corresponding CA mention in the description at the bottom. Interestingly however, the Certified emissions output is the same 0.7g/km HC+NOx.

 

[wfooshee]

The exhaust emisions are the same for all bikes, the CA bikes must meet evaporative emissions restrictions as well. That's the canister on the fuel vent. The rest of us vent to the atmosphere, releasing 'deadly' (and smog-producing) hydrocarbons into the air as fuel fumes.

Whether the federal and CA standard is actually the same, or whether Yammy builds them the same to avoid 2 different setups, I couldn't say.