Factory Shop Manual Source?

[rdfrantz]

I didn't find anything in a seach on this site. Is there a least expensive source for the latest/updated FJR shop manual?

Thanks.

 

[ionbeam]

You should try:

Gary McCoy

University Motors

1920 12TH Ave North

Fargo, ND 58102

Phone: (701) 235-6478

Fax: (701) 235-6067

Email: [email protected]

Gary usually has some of the lowest prices going.

Alan

 

[Bounce]

IIRC the going price is usually around $60.

A good investment that pays for itself the first time you need it.

 

[rdfrantz]

Alan, thanks for the direction.

And, Bounce, thanks for the good thought.

 

[ECDriver]

The web site "repairmanuals.com" has the factory manuals for $59.95. in stock. They have a really great stock of manuals, from the common to the rare. I've bought from them several times with great results and fast shipping.

 

[torch]

The cheapest source is here. Doesn't cover the 06 though if that's what you are after.

 

[chipset]

I have been looking for this!

Thanks. I had a softcopy of my R1s, always nice.

Thanks again.

 

[panthercity]

The cheapest source is here. Doesn't cover the 06 though if that's what you are after.

If you have no compunctions about theft...

 

[torch]

The cheapest source is here. Doesn't cover the 06 though if that's what you are after.

If you have no compunctions about theft...

No theft. In Canada, an instruction or repair manual from the manufacturer is specifically excluded from the definition of works in which copyright subsides. It is therefore, by definition, in the public domain. I would assume that the situation is similar in all countries signatory to the Berne Convention.

Now copyright does subsist in a Haynes or Clymer publication, as they are produced and sold by a third party, independent of the manufacturer so they do not accompany a specific product. In that sense, since I have created the files and enhanced their original format with additional functionality, I hold any copyright that subsides within. And I am free to give it away as I see fit.

 

[panthercity]

Justify it how you will, whether you live in a socialist country or not, taking the product of another's labor (that is not freely offered) without compensation is theft.

 

[FJRottie]

(that is not freely offered)

.....and it is freely offered, so there goes your idea.

 

[torch]

Justify it how you will, whether you live in a socialist country or not, taking the product of another's labor (that is not freely offered) without compensation is theft.

It's not a matter of living in a socialist country or not. The Berne Convention is a treaty signed by many -- if not most -- countries. Such a manual is specifically and explicitly excluded from the definition of a "work". It is a set of directions how to use and/or service a specific product that you paid for already. It's not something that can be used for any other application. A generic "How to repair motorcycles" book would be different. That would be a "work" and copyright would subsist for 50 years following the death of the author.

It is no different than ALLDATA (a US company) repackaging factory manuals for their subscription program, except of course that this is freely given without any fees. I'm not the one making up the rules here, they were established by the signatory countries -- including, if I am not mistaken, the United States of America.

 

[meosborn]

Regardless, for my money, a CD-ROM manual is a horrible replacement for a hardcopy.

 

[crewof1]

Not trying to throw gas on the fire, but torch's pdf manual does not have a copyright statement or disclaimer.

My service manual, however, published in the USA for a 2003 bike has the following text on page 2, complete with a copyright symbol:

©2002 by Yamaha Motor Corporation, U.S.A.

First Edition, June 2002

All Rights reserved.

Any reproduction or unauthorized use

without the written permission of

Yamaha Motor Corporation, U.S.A.

is expressly prohibited.

Printed in U.S.A.

P/N LIT-11616-18-18

I would interpret this statement to mean that I cannot copy or distribute it. I cannot say the same for torch's manual. His has what appears to be different part numbers, perhaps meaning it was published in a different country with different regulations.

This is an interesting topic to me, so I went and read the Berne Convention. I am no lawyer or publisher, but it seems to my eye that the service manual is in fact a “protected work” according to the convention, unless the laws in the publishing country explicitly deem it not a "protected work" and thus open to the public domain.

The Berne Convention’s main purpose seems to be to protect the work according to the laws existing in the country where it was originally published in all the signing countries. So if torch’s service manual was published in a country where the work is considered public domain, then that work is public domain everywhere. My manual is copyright protected by the laws of the US and is therefore illegal to distribute and not part of the public domain.

Anybody still awake? Clear it all up? Good.

Man I need to get a life.