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Big Sky

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I've booked a father/son track day at Firebird International Raceway in Phoenix March 11. Since we're novices to this (I'm 51, he's 21), we will start in the beginner class (mandatory) but are assured we can move up with instructor assent. I've been riding for 30 years and have ridden 1100cc or bigger since 1983, including a CBR1100XX for four years. FJR has been my main ride for the last four seasons. My 21-year-old son has far less experience, maybe 5-6,000 miles over three seasons, usually aboard a 1996 600 Seca II (work, college, etc. have prevented him from pursuing riding in more earnest). We will be aboard rented '02 Yamaha R-6s.

I'm wondering if forum members might have specific experience with the program at Firebird (AZtrackday) and can offer advice, or even more general advice on track days.

I'm really looking forward to this. It seems we slave and raise kids and build a business and do that whole trip for a couple of decades until one day we realize: the kid is on his own, the business is to the point where it will function for awhile if I'm gone and we've got a little extra jingle so can afford to treat ourselves to an "extravagance" periodically. About damned time, I say. But if this goes well and we get value, I doubt it will be my, and hopefully OUR, last.

Big Sky

 
Trackdays can be alot of fun, but can really tire you out! If at all possible, I would trailer the bikes in, and make sure they're ready for inspection. Your going to have to flush the coolant out of the bike and run Engine Ice, or Water Wetter instead of normal coolant. If you have an EZ Up I would highly recommend it. Also, bring some chairs, a cooler with some water and gatoraid in it. Bring light snacks to eat, but dont worry too much about lunch. When I was there, they provided lunch for the riders. Show up a little early to get a good parking spot to set up camp.

It looks like you'll be doing the West track that day. This is the one I had the oppertunity to do. Fun track, lots of twisty portions, and a decent straight to pick up speed.

They take all of the newbies out for a spotting lap so you can get an understanding of the track. I think you do two laps this way, going at very low speeds (20mph I think). Take this time to try and see where possible 'problems' may occur. For example, turn 4 is a fairly sharp turn that you may be entering at a good speed if your not careful. Think of a good line for it and kind of plan out a course.

Umm... otherwise, have lots of fun out there! I have this nagging feeling like I have plans for that weekend, but if I dont I'll try to pop by and see you guys out there.

 
Thanks, vectervp1. I am anticipating some fatigue, especially since we haven't ridden since October, but will be more cognizant of it. Chairs - check. Cooler and Gatorade - check. Snacks - check. The rental bikes will be AZtrackdays-owned machines so I'm not having to sweat the tech inspections. It sounds like from your reply and their web site that there is very little actual instruction; more simple supervision. Thanks again.

 
Pretty much yeah. There are instructors out there who will help you with lines and what not, but unless you need it, they leave you alone. You can ask someone to follow you and tell give you advice too. This isnt really a track school, its more of an oppertunity to ride bikes how they were intended to be ridden.

 
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I'm not familar with that track but I'm betting you all will have a bunch of fun!

With your 30 years of riding experiance I'm sure this isn't needed but I'll say it anyway: Check your ego at the door. Those that do have a great experiance, those that don't end up taking an unwanted ride in the crash truck.

All tracks and all TD orgs are different but it's not unusual for a "fast" street rider to have their hands very full in the beginner class for several days.

BTW, it's very cool you and your son doing this together! Takes lots of pics!

 
Thanks, Windblown. Age can be good for something: hopefully it brings with it maturity and a respect for mortality. I think I will have the ego well in check, as your wise words suggest. I will not forget I am a novice on the track. I believe I know my limits and they aren't at 8/10ths anymore. What worries me is my super competitive son trying to show up, or at least keep up with, the old man. I will try to get him to heed your advice, too - this will be about having fun, not a ride in the crash truck. And I'm sure you're right that there will be plenty of fast, smooth riders in the beginners group. This level may suffice for the entire day or even the next trip back.

We live about 6 hours north of Salt Lake City straight up I-15 and I understand that Miller Motorsports Park is state of the art. I see they do riding schools, but I 'haven't checked that out for track days yet - it's still winter in these parts.

Big Sky

 
I think it's great your doing that with your son also. I plan on doing it with mine this summer too. I will say this though I went to Kieth code's superbike school for his two day class last year and learned an awful lot of great stuff and also lots of respect for the riders who do this regularly. You might want to check out his school and they do have a schedule at Miller Motorsports. It's expensive for the two day school but you get lots of one on one instruction and allot of it is about controlling the motorcycle the proper way. It's not just about going fast. Allot of what we learned there was great stuff for street riding also. I am a total novice when it comes to track days and I think that even after completing his class and going to level 3 I will start with the beginners just to see how things are run with the group who is running the particular track day. Some of Keith's instructors had told us of some horror stories of poorly run track days. From what I understand you want to make sure the people running it are very strict about safety first, placing riders in the proper group, and watching for guys who think they are in race practice...

Just my .02

 
+1 on booking the father and son track day. Will you post something about your experiences afterwards?

I've ridden a couple of demo days, where manufacturers bring brand new sport bikes to the track and hand them over to eager participants (women only). That's whetted my appetite to do a real track day.

Several of my friends do regular track days, and love them. Krys rides a Gixxer and has said that after riding on the track, she rides more slowly on the road. She can do what she got the bike for, on the track and then be a lot more conservative when Joe Publicin the minivan + cell phone etc is involved.

I'm sure they'll warn you about the common sense stuff, but just in case:

Good night's sleep (aided by minimal to zero alcohol)

Comfortable clothing.

Sun screen for face

Drink lots of water

Eat lightly

Think of some bribe to keep the boy in check. IE If you behave yourself, we can do this again.

Have fun,

Jill

 
Big Sky, let me know if you and your son are up for a ride on Monday March 12. We can hit the mountains and make a day of it.

 
Jill,

Sunscreen... hmmmm. Good suggestion. We far-north Anglos scorch up pretty fast in March southwest sun. Your other suggestions are good, too. I certainly will report our experience here. A couple of friends did a Pridmore riding school a few years back and told me they used to wonder what their street limits were, but after this school knew them precisely. I expect to learn and have fun.

As for the son, these youngsters can be bullheaded (of course we weren't at that age) and super competitive with their parents. He is at that age where he is figuring out that he doesn't know everything and that - surprise - the old man might just know a thing or two, but that whole concept has a ways to go before full flowering. Our basketball scrimmages in the driveway over the years keep coming to mind: he would have given anything to beat me back when, and tried and tried. Naturally, eventually, he could - and did - stomp me at will. Over the years I have observed that many young, novice riders possess a natural athleticism (eye/hand coordination, super quick reflexes, etc.) that allow them to master handling the machine very quickly. And often that is unfortunately coupled with the fearlessness characteristic of youth. What is hard for them to understand is that pure skill is one thing; anticipating, then dealing with, correctly, competently, all the contingencies that come up during a ride can only be mastered through miles and miles of experience. I noted above I have ridden 30 years. Well, last year during a tour in Idaho, I hit a softball-sized rock at about 60 mph, bending both wheels. Thank God I didn't lose pressure and go down (with spouse) in traffic. Even after 30 years, I am capable of making deadly mistakes: I was either following the pickup in front of us too closely, or I wasn't paying enough attention, or my reactions were flawed or too slow - probably all of these. But it WAS pilot error, plain and simple. What will he do when another rider inexplicably jumps on the brakes right in front of him or cuts him off in a turn? What will happen if his front end washes a little or the back breaks loose? Will he be able to deal with it? If he's being very careful, if he's concentrating on defense and survival, probably. If he's carried away with self-confidence and competitiveness, there could be trouble.

I think I will have to appeal to his ego: convince him that the BEST riders are regarded as the ones who are most cognizant of everything that's going on around them; who keep themselves out of trouble; who are most considerate of other riders; who are smoothest (not necessarily fastest); who DON'T CRASH! This is the way to prove he is GOOD. I may also just have to stay behind him so he's not tempted to over-ride his skills in an effort to keep up.

Parents always worry about their kids and I suspect I always will, no matter his age. On the other hand, I think we have to introduce them to the things which have brought us the most joy and satisfaction in life, despite the very real risks.

And Test Rider, I thank you very much for the invitation and your consideration. Unfortunately we are heading back north the very next day and are in fact spending an extra day just for the track experience. But who knows, we could certainly be back this spring or next fall (I've got in-laws in Mesa and Apache Junction).

We live at one mile of elevation (Butte, MT) about one mile from the Continental Divide, which forms a big horseshoe here, so have to cross 7,000-foot passes to the north, east or south, which means our good riding is pretty much done by the end of September and doesn't begin until May. Last fall, though, in early October, we trailered the FJR to Cedar City, Utah, then took off on a nice ride down to Knab, then to Farmington, NM, to visit friends. But the next day was superb: Farmington to Zuni to Gallup to Springerville, AZ, at the north end of the Coronado Highway, then on to Clifton. My gosh is that a spectacular piece of highway! and I have ridden all the best in Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, British Columbia and Washington. I would love to do this again. I also enjoyed the ride from Prescott to Jerome and Sedona, on to Flagstaff. We then rode up to the Marble Canyon, to Paige and through Zion National Park and back to Cedar City. About 1,700 miles total. Definitely want to do this again. And the weather was fine, except Phoenix was about 95.

What would you suggest is a good 2-3-day route out of Phoenix? I rented a BMW there over Christmas a few years ago for two days and had a couple of good days, but nothing real spectacular. Thanks again for the invite.

Big Sky

 
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Isn't that the truth about the kids? I took the MSF course as a refresher, on my re-entry to riding. My the 16yr old son took the class with me. He'd never ridden a bike before, yet did better than I did in both theory and practical.

He's has his M1 endorsement for five years now, but has not ridden a bike. We have an older, street legal dirt bike that is available to him but he chooses not to ride it. The FJR, the Ninja, the K12S and the Warrior are not suitable for a beginning rider.

Tell me what you thought of Sedona. We have a reservation to stay there in June, for a week's worth of day rides.

Jill

 
Jill,

We didn't spend a lot of time in Sedona but my impression is that it is a yuppified artsy community that would like to be Arizona's Sante Fe. Expensive with pricey real estate. It probably just depends on what you want and like. You will definitely want to head over to Jerome, which is a funky little mining camp turned arts colony built into the side of the mountain with many little boutiques and shops, many targeting tourist dollars. The road is pretty dramatic but carried considerable traffic in October, with less as you head toward Prescott. North out of Sedona to Flagstaff was a very neat little twisty two-lane, but it was also clogged with traffic. North out of Flagstaff we really enjoyed crossing the Navajo Reservation. There's some interesting scenery and a look at the impoverished First People and their culture is revealing. But roads are fairly straight. You should be able to get to the Grand Canyon and Marble Canyon/Vermilion Cliffs areas. You might try to do Zion National Park - incredible scenery and roads but much traffic when we were there.

I think I've only toured through this country twice on two wheels so really am no expert. I imagine the heat won't be too bad in June if you stick to the upper elevations, but down on the desert floor it could be wicked.

Have fun, ride safely.

Big Sky

 
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