FJR Assistance List [Idea]

[mdisher]

First, I kicked this idea around with Jude/gypsy a while ago, and it just so happened to hit me again when I got the latest update.

Second, I'm not looking to steal his thunder, only tossing out an idea and before I go any further though I'd toss it out here for a beating to see what happens.

Basically in a nutshell, the FJR Assistance list is a very 'manual' process. Jude takes care of all the hard work. I imagine there are people like me on the list that could bleed over into more than one list. If you have a BMW, you may be listed in the BMW MOA list as well.

Maybe those squids over in the blackbird forum have a list too, I don't know. But I do know that the list is a great idea, and you never know when you might need it, or when you might be called on for help if you're on it.

That being said, the idea of making it far less manual for one person, while at the same time creating multiple lists, or at least a single place for multiple lists to live (while also being self maintained and automated) appeals to me.

I've tossed a mock up and some thoughts here:

Moto-Help-List Idea/Concept.

If you want to steal this idea and run with it, that's OK with me too. It means I don't have to do the work

I don't see this as anything other than offering up a service to help fellow riders.

Would it get used? Would you use it? Do you think it's a waste of time? It's OK if you do my feelings won't be hurt.

Discuss

This may be in the wrong forum, but it's FJR specific for now, mods, move it to where ever you think it needs to be.

 

[Fencer]

It's a good idea, but I have two reservations with it.

1. (The largest) as you have pointed out, if any and all have access to it, it would be spammer/scammer heaven. I would not turn away a diff make of bike just cause I am an FJR. but it could be a potential set up to car-jack you out in the middle-o no-where. At least with Jude having control over the list, we know 99.9% who has a copy should things go awry, a place to start looking. I have stopped and helped folks on the side of the road before when driving by, but I could assess things before I chose to stop and knew my surroundings. If the maintainer of the BMW book, and Suzuki, book etc, want to meld with ours that would be great. But For an open al- to-all automated... easier yes, better - not IMHO.

2. I have to work and riding "season" coincides with my busy season. I just don't think I would have the time to both work and tow all the HDs out there :lol:

 

[gypsy]

Hi all,

I already emailed Renegade and what I said in a nutshell is that I am fine with his project but I don't have any problem maintaining the List the way I have been doing it. The only concern I could see with a web based solution was that when I initially suggested that I put the list up on my site many people did not want their information published on the web. Rather than alienate a good chunk of the list I decided to do it they way I am. There is an average of 6 or 8 new people a month. If I were to suddenly get 500 people requesting to be on the List that might cause a problem but that is pretty unlikely.

As for a multi-brand list, I would probably not sign up to it because, as strange as it seems, I feel like I know you folks. I am completely comfortable with anyone from the List (or the Forum for that matter) contacting me.

gypsy

 

[mdisher]

It's a good idea, but I have two reservations with it.
1. (The largest) as you have pointed out, if any and all have access to it, it would be spammer/scammer heaven. I would not turn away a diff make of bike just cause I am an FJR. but it could be a potential set up to car-jack you out in the middle-o no-where. At least with Jude having control over the list, we know 99.9% who has a copy should things go awry, a place to start looking. I have stopped and helped folks on the side of the road before when driving by, but I could assess things before I chose to stop and knew my surroundings. If the maintainer of the BMW book, and Suzuki, book etc, want to meld with ours that would be great. But For an open al- to-all automated... easier yes, better - not IMHO.

Not exactly true, or maybe I didn't make it as clear as it is in my head.

Each 'List' would be independent. Meaning a broke down HD rider couldn't just hop on the net and look you up.

He (or she) would have to be on the same list as you to begin with. _BUT_ You could join the HD list as well, IF YOU WANTED TOO, or not.

Just because you bank at the same bank as your neighbor doesn't mean he/she can access your stuff.

I would imagine that *most* people here would NOT be on more than one list.

For security, the information would be encrypted in the database, and over ssl for entry and retrieval. Other than that, it's no different.

You also couldn't blindly wander in and start signing up for lists. To sign up for the FJR list for example you'd have to start from within FJRForum.com and/or know the code to sign up.

The currently list is sent via email, in the clear now...

2. I have to work and riding "season" coincides with my busy season. I just don't think I would have the time to both work and tow all the HDs out there :lol:

Tru dat.

Hope that helps.

 

[Cdogman]

I am on the list. I dont want to be public. I chose to share with you, you would have to remove me to share with strangers. I can help automation, I will not be on the net with my phone number. That is my answer. I am but one voice but that is how I chime in, good topic

 

[wheatonFJR]

I am on the list. I dont want to be public. I chose to share with you, you would have to remove me to share with strangers. I can help automation, I will not be on the net with my phone number. That is my answer. I am but one voice but that is how I chime in, good topic

+1 for not being on the web...I am willing to trust the people I don't know on this forum...but not the spammers or worse on the web.

 

[rocketdoc]

I think the way it is being done provides the info and keeps the info secure. It is unfortunate that in this day and age we have to do it this way, but I really don't want my #'s being on the web. Great idea, but it is not going to have the support of the existing FJR assist list.

There are my 2 cents worth.

Keep up the good work gypsy.

 

[Mike-H]

I think the way it is being done provides the info and keeps the info secure. It is unfortunate that in this day and age we have to do it this way, but I really don't want my #'s being on the web. Great idea, but it is not going to have the support of the existing FJR assist list.There are my 2 cents worth.

Keep up the good work gypsy.

+1 :good: ....definitely agree....both with what rocketdoc has said & what Jude is doing....

 

[ShinyPartsUp]

I am on the list. I dont want to be public. I chose to share with you, you would have to remove me to share with strangers. I can help automation, I will not be on the net with my phone number. That is my answer. I am but one voice but that is how I chime in, good topic

+1 for not being on the web...I am willing to trust the people I don't know on this forum...but not the spammers or worse on the web.

+2 (or whatever). Too much chance of personal info getting into the wrong hands. I even waited a while before deciding to get on the FJR list. If a thief really wants bikes, all he has to do is slip onto the list by being known on this forum. It already is a bit of faith in my fellow man as it is. Putting my info out for hackers and scammers just compounds the risk factor, IMHO. I'd be regrettably out.

 

[mdisher]

It's clear that, this isn't desired. Like I said I'm OK with that, it means I don't have any work to do.

But just to clear some stuff up:

If a thief really wants bikes, all he has to do is slip onto the list by being known on this forum. It already is a bit of faith in my fellow man as it is.

Bingo, in fact, they don't even have to be on the list. I could find you in less than 24 hours as it is without the list. The fact that you're on the list has nothing to do with it what-so-ever. Would that info it make it easier? sure, but it's not necessary.

I think the way it is being done provides the info and keeps the info secure.

Then you'd be mistaken. (This isn't a knock on the process, but it's not secure, not in the least). The emails are sent in the clear, nothing is encrypted, you trust that 'Jude' is a good guy and the only one reading his (and your email). Again, this isn't a knock on Jude. but it's not secure.

I really don't want my #'s being on the web

It already is, have you looked at your property taxes online? The amount of public information about you (or anyone) is absolutely scary, and far more valuable to the underworld than your phone numbers which is essentially all this list contains.

I am willing to trust the people I don't know on this forum...but not the spammers or worse on the web.

'Spammers' don't want your motorcycle. They only want your email address They have far more efficient ways of getting it than signing up for a help oriented list.

I am on the list. I don't want to be public. I chose to share with you, you would have to remove me to share with strangers.

Who are these strangers? The list would be as closed as it is today.

Perhaps I wasn't clear, and I tried to make that clear in my second post but I'm assuming most of you skipped that. Just because you're a member 'here' on FJR Forum, doesn't mean the folks over at say STN, or the Blackbird forum know anything about you. They are complete and separate entities.

Each list would be very separate.

It would be more synonymous with a single log-on that you could choose to use with both, if you 'chose' to do so.

I realize that I'm not going to convince anyone here that this wouldn't put their information at more risk than it already is.

But do understand that security in the current form is a fallacy. You feel better about it because you know the person holding your data, but his machine isn't anymore secure than the server/services that would hold this data.

In some ways, it's less secure. (I could go into that if you want me to but it's probably not significant at this point).

85% of identity theft is perpetrated by people that are already within the victims circle of trust. (A friend, family member, co-worker, a boss, someone in HR, etc.) Very little is done through 'dumpster diving', or info stolen on the web. While it does happen, it's in the minority.

While the possibility always exists that this information could be used for more harm than good, the process for exploiting it wouldn't be any different than it is today. (Join the forum, ask to be on the list, and you have all the info).

This process could even be make more secure (in both forms, by more validation of the folks on the list).

We're not even talking about financial info, none of that is on the list to begin with.

We're simply talking about contact info and organizing what's there.