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DucatiSSsp
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Time to reread the thread and watch the video again! Try to pick up on the "stolen vehicle" and the word "gun"
next time! Let me guess, that you have a relative or close buddy that wants to be a lawyer?
I guess they should have let him go so he could pull into some parking lot or residence....pull his gun and hijack
a car with possibly a little kid in the back seat! Yeah, just let him go!! :clapping:
This world will just get better when we let criminals roam free!
Bryce
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I vote to initiate RoboCop into the Hall of Justice!!!
motorgod
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[SIZE=18pt]CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS!!! THEY SHOT HIM FOR FIRING A GUN INTO THE AIR!! ****, I'D BETTER WATCH OUT, MY FARTS SOMETIME SOUND LIKE A MACHINE GUN!! COPS ARE OUTTA CONTROL!! COULDN'T THEY HAVE WAITED FOR A MENTAL HEALTH WORKER?[/SIZE]
N.Y. police fatally shoot man firing machine gun into air
The Associated Press
NEW YORK- A man fired a machine gun into the air Monday as he walked along streets in a commercial area and was shot by police after he wouldn't drop the weapon, witnesses said. No other injuries were reported.
"It was just pow, pow, pow, pow, pow," said Vincent Ho, who was at a dentist's office and said he heard at least seven shots.
Shoppers and commuters on the busy strip in the Jamaica section of the borough of Queens scrambled for cover.
Police, who received several 911 calls, said they confronted the gunman around 5:45 p.m. in an area crowded with shops and medical offices. The gunman was shot in a parking lot behind a row of stores after an exchange of gunfire and was taken to a hospital, police said. His condition wasn't immediately disclosed.
Three people who had been walking with the man were taken into custody, and the machine gun was recovered in the parking lot, police said.
THIS IS JUST TOO MUCH!!! COULDN'T THE COPS HAVE JUST MOVED OUT OF THE WAY?
Calif. officers fatally shoot suspect following chase
City News Service
SOLANA BEACH- Sheriff's deputies and California Highway Patrol officers fatally shot a suspected drunken driver early today when he allegedly tried to run them down at the end of a 45-minute chase through the North County.
The chase began about 1:30 a.m., when the motorist refused to yield to the CHP on state Route 78, near Jefferson Street in Oceanside, sheriff's Lt. Dennis Brugos said.
The driver fled to the north on Interstate 5 and east on state Route 76 before heading south on streets and Interstate 5, Brugos said.
Reaching Carlsbad, the suspect sped west on Poinsettia Lane, then south into Encinitas on North Coast Highway 101, steering around several tire- flattening spike strips police laid in his path.
Near Estrella Street in Solana Beach, a CHP officer employed a "pursuit intervention technique," a maneuver in which a squad car is used to nudge a suspect's vehicle so it spins out and skids to a stop, Brugos said.
The move worked, but the motorist began driving again, crossing a median into northbound lanes, according to police. Officers made use of the vehicle- intervention method again, then used their cruisers to block his way.
At that point, the police personnel ordered the man to shut off his engine and put his hands up. He refused, instead ramming a deputy's car, backing up and accelerating "directly at the deputies and a CHP officer," Brugos said.
"It was at that time that CHP officers and deputies fired their handguns at the suspect," Brugos said. "The suspect's vehicle stopped a short distance away."
Medics pronounced the man dead at the scene. Officials withheld his name pending notification of his relatives.
Authorities shut down a stretch of the roadway to allow for investigations, leading to heavy congestion in the area throughout the day, the CHP reported.
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N.Y. police fatally shoot man firing machine gun into air
The Associated Press
NEW YORK- A man fired a machine gun into the air Monday as he walked along streets in a commercial area and was shot by police after he wouldn't drop the weapon, witnesses said. No other injuries were reported.
"It was just pow, pow, pow, pow, pow," said Vincent Ho, who was at a dentist's office and said he heard at least seven shots.
Shoppers and commuters on the busy strip in the Jamaica section of the borough of Queens scrambled for cover.
Police, who received several 911 calls, said they confronted the gunman around 5:45 p.m. in an area crowded with shops and medical offices. The gunman was shot in a parking lot behind a row of stores after an exchange of gunfire and was taken to a hospital, police said. His condition wasn't immediately disclosed.
Three people who had been walking with the man were taken into custody, and the machine gun was recovered in the parking lot, police said.
THIS IS JUST TOO MUCH!!! COULDN'T THE COPS HAVE JUST MOVED OUT OF THE WAY?
Calif. officers fatally shoot suspect following chase
City News Service
SOLANA BEACH- Sheriff's deputies and California Highway Patrol officers fatally shot a suspected drunken driver early today when he allegedly tried to run them down at the end of a 45-minute chase through the North County.
The chase began about 1:30 a.m., when the motorist refused to yield to the CHP on state Route 78, near Jefferson Street in Oceanside, sheriff's Lt. Dennis Brugos said.
The driver fled to the north on Interstate 5 and east on state Route 76 before heading south on streets and Interstate 5, Brugos said.
Reaching Carlsbad, the suspect sped west on Poinsettia Lane, then south into Encinitas on North Coast Highway 101, steering around several tire- flattening spike strips police laid in his path.
Near Estrella Street in Solana Beach, a CHP officer employed a "pursuit intervention technique," a maneuver in which a squad car is used to nudge a suspect's vehicle so it spins out and skids to a stop, Brugos said.
The move worked, but the motorist began driving again, crossing a median into northbound lanes, according to police. Officers made use of the vehicle- intervention method again, then used their cruisers to block his way.
At that point, the police personnel ordered the man to shut off his engine and put his hands up. He refused, instead ramming a deputy's car, backing up and accelerating "directly at the deputies and a CHP officer," Brugos said.
"It was at that time that CHP officers and deputies fired their handguns at the suspect," Brugos said. "The suspect's vehicle stopped a short distance away."
Medics pronounced the man dead at the scene. Officials withheld his name pending notification of his relatives.
Authorities shut down a stretch of the roadway to allow for investigations, leading to heavy congestion in the area throughout the day, the CHP reported.
Copyright 2006 City News Service, Inc.
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Ponyfool: you have a secret admirer
Odot: You're killing me , thanks for taking the heat off me as I was going to post something stupid!
Jestal: You're painting a picture with a broad brush using just a few examples of "poor police work." Surely you can't believe that every cop in the U.S. is poorly trained. Tens of thousands of cops, every day, around the clock keep us safe.
Sure, I've met the cop who is a total ****, but I have my moments too and I know that we have something in common.....we're human. Human's are prone to error in judgement, I've made my share in life.
Odot: You're killing me
, thanks for taking the heat off me as I was going to post something stupid!Jestal: You're painting a picture with a broad brush using just a few examples of "poor police work." Surely you can't believe that every cop in the U.S. is poorly trained. Tens of thousands of cops, every day, around the clock keep us safe.
Sure, I've met the cop who is a total ****, but I have my moments too and I know that we have something in common.....we're human. Human's are prone to error in judgement, I've made my share in life.
ponyfool
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I will preface this with a disclaimer. If you were being sarcastic, that didn't come through well enough, so I'll reply as if you were serious.
Wow, I must live in a different world than you.
How long does it take for a person to drop their arm and that weapon now be pointing at others? Should the officers have waited for that and, say, two or three people to get killed first? Oh, and what do you think happens to those bullets going into the air? They enter orbit or something? Don't think they are dangerous? Gotcha! Like I said, must be a different world than me!
Oh, and I take the words "Exchange of gun fire" to mean that the police weren't the only ones shooting.
In fact, they should have just given him an escort home!
When a person starts ramming cars, they have escalated their actions. They are an immediate danger to themselves and the public. But, I forgot, cars don't actually kill people, so they could never be used as a weapon!
Hopefully, you will see that at times, I am being very sarcastic. If you were being sarcastic, I missed it. If you weren't, I'd honestly like to tell me of ANY psychiatrist that would attempt to initiate a "session" with a person actively discharging a machine gun in public.
I sure as hell hope you are kidding, right? The guy is actively discharging a fully automatic weapon in public causing wide spread panic in a crowded shopping area, and you don't think he should be confronted by the police?
Wow, I must live in a different world than you.
How long does it take for a person to drop their arm and that weapon now be pointing at others? Should the officers have waited for that and, say, two or three people to get killed first? Oh, and what do you think happens to those bullets going into the air? They enter orbit or something? Don't think they are dangerous? Gotcha! Like I said, must be a different world than me!
Oh, and I take the words "Exchange of gun fire" to mean that the police weren't the only ones shooting.
Yes, I am sure they could have. In fact, they could have just not even bothered to try to stop him, I mean, being drunk and driving that way isn't dangerous after all, right? No one actually DIES from it, right?
In fact, they should have just given him an escort home!
When a person starts ramming cars, they have escalated their actions. They are an immediate danger to themselves and the public. But, I forgot, cars don't actually kill people, so they could never be used as a weapon!
Hopefully, you will see that at times, I am being very sarcastic. If you were being sarcastic, I missed it. If you weren't, I'd honestly like to tell me of ANY psychiatrist that would attempt to initiate a "session" with a person actively discharging a machine gun in public.
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ponyfool
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I do take my job, and profession seriously. I continually strive to improve it, and I do what I can to help explain it to people who clearly don't have any idea what it involves. It's called community outreach and education.
I will forever attempt to explain current procedures (at least how they are done in my neck of the woods), and will do so regardless of the criticism it may draw. The more people understand the way things are done, the less likely they are to play Monday morning quarterback about a topic they don't understand. Either they will come to gain an understanding, or they will be prompted to take action to effect change. Either of which is better than what has been offered here thus far, which is simply complaining with no viable solution.
No, I don't believe I can change the world (or the minds of some people), but I can at least attempt to explain enough about policing that will cause the observers to garner a better understanding so that they will realize that one of us is being reasonable. Maybe they'll think that person is me, maybe not.
I will forever attempt to explain current procedures (at least how they are done in my neck of the woods), and will do so regardless of the criticism it may draw. The more people understand the way things are done, the less likely they are to play Monday morning quarterback about a topic they don't understand. Either they will come to gain an understanding, or they will be prompted to take action to effect change. Either of which is better than what has been offered here thus far, which is simply complaining with no viable solution.
No, I don't believe I can change the world (or the minds of some people), but I can at least attempt to explain enough about policing that will cause the observers to garner a better understanding so that they will realize that one of us is being reasonable. Maybe they'll think that person is me, maybe not.
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motorgod
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HA! Dr. Phil.
Poor psychiatry. Good ratings.
Poor psychiatry. Good ratings.
evil_henchman
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Ha! I'd like to see Dr. Phil take that one on. I wouldn't miss his pompous hayseed *** at all :lol:
ponyfool
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Just started reading this thread, maybe because it is the day after Thanksgiving, my afternoon patients (in a Mental Health Clinic) cancelled, and it is slow......but this topic hit me close. And a caveat...I haven't finished the thread.
1) Ponyfool. I agree totally with everything you have written thus far. Particularly about knives. My brother was 17 and pumping gas in Boston years ago (he was/is 6'3" and a brick ********* & offered a contract with the Boston Bruins about that time). A scrawny kid his age tried to rob him. He told him to go away. The kid tried to punch my brother -- which ended badly for the kid. Then he came back with a knife and cut my brother dozens of times, aiming for tendons and ligaments to cripple my brother. Hundreds of stitches and scars that were ugly. I know my brother should have just handed over the money, but we were all dumb at that age, and he didn't take this little 5'5" guy seriously. Turned out the kid was certifiably nuts. Knives kill. FACT.
2) I think the professionalism of officers is far superior these days, when compared to my years growing up in Boston (the city, not the 'burbs). As a kid I saw cops doing all kinds of dumb ****, like smoking weed behind the police station in daylight; two cops rough up a homeless guy in an alley -- just to make him move on, etc.
3) I had a second cousin who was a Boston cop, shot to death during a bank robbery. There was no chase, but if there had been a chase, they were the kinds that chances need to be made in apprehanding. Unless there was a serious felony known outstanding on this rider, let him go and look him up with the tag information....
There's more I have to say, but that's enough.
Thanks.
1) Ponyfool. I agree totally with everything you have written thus far. Particularly about knives. My brother was 17 and pumping gas in Boston years ago (he was/is 6'3" and a brick ********* & offered a contract with the Boston Bruins about that time). A scrawny kid his age tried to rob him. He told him to go away. The kid tried to punch my brother -- which ended badly for the kid. Then he came back with a knife and cut my brother dozens of times, aiming for tendons and ligaments to cripple my brother. Hundreds of stitches and scars that were ugly. I know my brother should have just handed over the money, but we were all dumb at that age, and he didn't take this little 5'5" guy seriously. Turned out the kid was certifiably nuts. Knives kill. FACT.
2) I think the professionalism of officers is far superior these days, when compared to my years growing up in Boston (the city, not the 'burbs). As a kid I saw cops doing all kinds of dumb ****, like smoking weed behind the police station in daylight; two cops rough up a homeless guy in an alley -- just to make him move on, etc.
3) I had a second cousin who was a Boston cop, shot to death during a bank robbery. There was no chase, but if there had been a chase, they were the kinds that chances need to be made in apprehanding. Unless there was a serious felony known outstanding on this rider, let him go and look him up with the tag information....
There's more I have to say, but that's enough.
Thanks.
black mamba
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A number of years ago, I went through what the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office calls their " Citizen Police Academy ". It is a program to educate non-law-enforcement people as to what police work is all about. The program lasts 16 weeks ( going once or twice to "class " each week ). It is a condensed version of the program police recruits go through.....leaving out most of the real physical stuff they do, but entailing all the elements involved including: firing range time, agressive police car driving on their private track, bomb squad work, exposure to the S.W.A.T. environment, and numerous hours spent in ride-along activity. It was probably the most eye-opening experience of my life. Although not feasible, it should be mandatory for everyone to go through such a program. I am firmly convinced that the two most under-paid people are school teachers and law enforcement officers. If you saw the things I saw, and experienced, as I did, the elements of our society that the police have to deal with on a routine basis.....well, I would not do that work for any kind of pay.
I stay in touch with the program and recently was on a ride-along evening that entailed 3 high-speed runs; one to answer a call for officer assistance, one to apprehend a suspected felon, and one to a hit-and-run situation. I have never been so frightened in my life. I can assure you that there is no fun in making these sort of runs. When I finally left the accommodating officer's car at 3 A.M. I could hardly draw my breath. I'm not here to justify the necessity of these type runs....regardless of the reason for which they're being made...but you can be certain that, in the overwhelming number of instances, these activities are not undertaken in a frivolous manner. In all my exposure to this environment, I never talked to any officer who wanted to make such a run.
I stay in touch with the program and recently was on a ride-along evening that entailed 3 high-speed runs; one to answer a call for officer assistance, one to apprehend a suspected felon, and one to a hit-and-run situation. I have never been so frightened in my life. I can assure you that there is no fun in making these sort of runs. When I finally left the accommodating officer's car at 3 A.M. I could hardly draw my breath. I'm not here to justify the necessity of these type runs....regardless of the reason for which they're being made...but you can be certain that, in the overwhelming number of instances, these activities are not undertaken in a frivolous manner. In all my exposure to this environment, I never talked to any officer who wanted to make such a run.
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madmike2
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Since my sister was killed by a hit-and-run drunk driver and my uncle (a CHP officer) was hit by a drunk driver while working an accident scene, I suppose I have less tolerance for the "innocent perpetrator" (I mean, c'mon, everybody drives drunk once-in-awhile, don't they?"). Just so everyone is on the same page, attempting to ram someone with your automobile is called "assault with a deadly weapon", inebriated or not.
I wonder how the victims of drunk drivers and falling bullets would feel about just letting these petty, innoccuos, personal crimes pass?
I wonder how the victims of drunk drivers and falling bullets would feel about just letting these petty, innoccuos, personal crimes pass?
Silver Penguin
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+1 Mike.
Before I started work in the PICU, colleagues took care of two children who were riding in the back of a pick-up truck, on the freeway. Drunken Dad rolled the truck. When he (uninjured), and his police escort, came to visit his kids (critically injured), the nurses had to be polite to him. I believe most accomplished this by staying as far away from him as possible.
Personally, I don't believe that any DUI event should be classed as an accident, unless the driver was held down forcibly and had the alcohol poured into his/her system. You pick up the glass - you pick up the keys - that's DELIBERATE, not accidental.
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ponyfool
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So it would seem that the officers in the Atlanta shooting of the elderly woman are in a bit of trouble now. As the investigation is continuing, there is more information that the officers were not necessarily acting in good faith as their sole informant is recanting and saying he never bought drugs from the house.
My point in bringing this back up is, when people base their opinions on nothing more than speculation, no good can come from it. Now that the investigation is leading to information that supports Jestal's original post about this, it would appear that there is now cause to be upset/angry/etc.
In addition, when you have facts supporting your case, you will have a lot more support from the community in general. If in fact the investigation leads to information that these officers lied, there is, IMO, no punishment worthy of what they deserve. Anything I would suggest would be shot down as cruel and unusual. As with every profession, the few sometimes paint a very bad picture for the majority.
My point in bringing this back up is, when people base their opinions on nothing more than speculation, no good can come from it. Now that the investigation is leading to information that supports Jestal's original post about this, it would appear that there is now cause to be upset/angry/etc.
In addition, when you have facts supporting your case, you will have a lot more support from the community in general. If in fact the investigation leads to information that these officers lied, there is, IMO, no punishment worthy of what they deserve. Anything I would suggest would be shot down as cruel and unusual. As with every profession, the few sometimes paint a very bad picture for the majority.
Interesting that this post came up again....
What seemed obvious to me in reading between the lines in the news reports is now being reported. Just how many 92 year old grandmothers hang in drug houses? And someone knocks her door down in the middle of the night and she is supposed to NOT shoot?? Cops or not, anyone that knocks the door of anyone's house down in the middle of the night should just expect a hail of bullets.....deservedly so. And it is the cops sole responsibility to make sure that they have the right place and the right person in their sights despite the fact that they are being shot at. They did instigate the situation....so they are responsible for the control of it.
I was also interested in bringing the post up again regarding the police shootings in New York. 50 shots fired at unarmed "suspects" killing one of them. Over 30 shots by one officier alone....wouldn't he have to stop and reload to do that? I have no idea of the motives or actions of the "suspects" that raised the ire of undercover cops....I just hope I don't accidentally repeat their error one day. Since the cops were undercover is there the faintest realization in their mind that someone else might not realize or believe that they are cops? Is there another way of controlling a situation than shooting first and asking questions later?
I think there is a whole other side to this topic that is just not politically correct to bring up...but no one has EVER accused me of being politically correct. There are just way too many situations where innocent people are taken out by police action whether it be shootings or high speed chases. If the perp is indeed threatening life and limb of the general populace in some immediate fashion then I have no problem with dealing with them in the harshest way possible. Just make sure it is the right perp and that they are really a perp and that they are REALLY threatening the public...not just the cops that are contronting them.
Ponyfool feels compelled to educate via public outreach. I can understand that as there are certainly many false premises on both sides of the discussion. I, on the other hand, fell compelled to question the authority that the police seem to take for granted. If no one ever questions it then they have free reign and I just cannot accept that.
The whole arguement that the cop has the right to shoot when threatened in the least just does not make sense. Don't people realize when they apply for the job that someone might attack or shoot at them at some point? Isn't that understood as part of the risk of the job? So what if some kid has a knife and "could" attack?....or an old lady is defending her home? The cops got into the job knowing this might happen so to shoot first and ask questions later under the guise of "defending themselves" is just plain wrong.
Also....there was another case of yet another police shooting civilians under suspicious circumstances in the news in Detroit again today. The cases just never seem to stop.
What seemed obvious to me in reading between the lines in the news reports is now being reported. Just how many 92 year old grandmothers hang in drug houses? And someone knocks her door down in the middle of the night and she is supposed to NOT shoot?? Cops or not, anyone that knocks the door of anyone's house down in the middle of the night should just expect a hail of bullets.....deservedly so. And it is the cops sole responsibility to make sure that they have the right place and the right person in their sights despite the fact that they are being shot at. They did instigate the situation....so they are responsible for the control of it.
I was also interested in bringing the post up again regarding the police shootings in New York. 50 shots fired at unarmed "suspects" killing one of them. Over 30 shots by one officier alone....wouldn't he have to stop and reload to do that? I have no idea of the motives or actions of the "suspects" that raised the ire of undercover cops....I just hope I don't accidentally repeat their error one day. Since the cops were undercover is there the faintest realization in their mind that someone else might not realize or believe that they are cops? Is there another way of controlling a situation than shooting first and asking questions later?
I think there is a whole other side to this topic that is just not politically correct to bring up...but no one has EVER accused me of being politically correct. There are just way too many situations where innocent people are taken out by police action whether it be shootings or high speed chases. If the perp is indeed threatening life and limb of the general populace in some immediate fashion then I have no problem with dealing with them in the harshest way possible. Just make sure it is the right perp and that they are really a perp and that they are REALLY threatening the public...not just the cops that are contronting them.
Ponyfool feels compelled to educate via public outreach. I can understand that as there are certainly many false premises on both sides of the discussion. I, on the other hand, fell compelled to question the authority that the police seem to take for granted. If no one ever questions it then they have free reign and I just cannot accept that.
The whole arguement that the cop has the right to shoot when threatened in the least just does not make sense. Don't people realize when they apply for the job that someone might attack or shoot at them at some point? Isn't that understood as part of the risk of the job? So what if some kid has a knife and "could" attack?....or an old lady is defending her home? The cops got into the job knowing this might happen so to shoot first and ask questions later under the guise of "defending themselves" is just plain wrong.
Also....there was another case of yet another police shooting civilians under suspicious circumstances in the news in Detroit again today. The cases just never seem to stop.
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dcarver
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PonyFool..
1. I like black labs. I have one. There for you are OK in my book.
2. I fully appreciate your stance on law enforcement.. the good, and the bad too. Not to sound cliche, but some of my best riding buds are ex and current LEO's... my LEO buds are true pro's.. and I can tell you are too.
3. Thank You for taking some of the heat in this thread.. it takes a back bone to stand your ground.. and more so to reconsider your position. For this, I present kudos to you.
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