Has anyone done a Dyno on their FJR?

[zzkenoman]

Im interested in any Dyno's that you have done on the bike, whether stock, before and after minor mods, or rebuilt performance engine. Since we are all technical savvy, its one more fact in your pocket to know about, anyone have any copies of there findings? How about comparisons between a ST1300 and FJR, wouldn't that be something to see!

 

[radman]

https://www.fjr1300.info/chart.html

 

[twowheelnut]

ZZ, Santa Barbara Motorsports has a dyno on site. $75 per run, IIRC. Call for details and appointment.

805-967-9898

 

[yamaholic]

I don't have a chart, but I did dyno mine at Honda Homecoming. I am not confident the results are 100% accurate as this was a multiple bike run, so the calibration was old.

Result was 127.0 hp max ('03 with at the time about 12K miles). Run 1 was 124, run 2 was 125, run 3 was 127. It was a "drag dynO", I ran 11.04 in the 1/4" at 118mph I believe.

Oh, and yes, I did receive an applaud at this 99% Honda event... :clap:

 

[Bounce]

This is one from 2004.

 

[zzkenoman]

Are we being unfairly under horsepowered here in the US? Why does Europe Dyno charts show closer to the bikes specs, than any of our Bikes here in America? Or does the older 02 FJR put out more? One interesting thought is, and I welcome your voice here, is yamaha using dyno machines that are not calibrated equally from one country to another? Anybody have any experience with the accuracy of "FUCHS BE1251" machines, compaired to Dynometer?

 

[twowheelnut]

No two dynos are the same. And, you'll get different figures off the same dyno for the same bike. Change the ambient temperature/air pressure/humidity and you'll get slightly different numbers.

As far as the Euro's having more honk... Thank the EPA. Most Euro versions of the same motor typically put out more power the the federalized versions. Sad, but true.

 

[zzkenoman]

So what makes up the bulk of the highway robbery? I know there is no engine spec differences, or changes in gearing up to 05, so is it in the FI jets or a combination of european mapping and removed smog canister? I wonder if anyone took notice to any computer program differences, in the FJR computer module between, europe & united states? I even think the FI and throttlebody sizes are untouched, so do you know twowheelnut, or someone here, where to pin point the difference? Couldn't be just the fuel right, or the mapping? (because even with a Powercommander we are still short)

 

[radman]

You can build mucho horsepower using settings within the ECM. Yami won't let anyone play with it, it doesn't use a PROM or other programmable memory. No one I am yet aware of has produced an aftermarket ECM for the Feej, as it is not a race bike, and as such would present a limited market for such an endeavour. Wanna go fast, try an R1. Want a luxury GT, you came to the right bike.

 

[Skippy]

It could be any number of things, however, as a former European, I can tell you, all of the vehicles in this country are "de-tuned" compared to their Euro counterparts due to higher emission standards imposed by the DOT and EPA.

My last car in England was a Ford Escort Cosworth, a 2000cc in-line , turbo 4 cylinder DOHC car with 4wd, that from the factory had something like 227hp.

With the Superchip and grey injectors it came closer to 380hp, all of this in 3 door hatchback.

We used to commiserate with our USA cousins and the need for stomping great big V8's in order to get any horsepower, and overcome the strangling emissions nonsense.

It is my understanding however, that several European countries now also have similar emissions standards as the USA, so it really would depend on what market the bikes came from and what dyno they were tested on.

My own bike has a custom map, PC3, K&N filter and produced 129.1 RWHP back in January 2005, stock was 119.7RWHP.

Skippy

 

[twowheelnut]

So what makes up the bulk of the highway robbery?  I know there is no engine spec differences, or changes in gearing up to 05, so is it in the FI jets or a combination of european mapping and removed smog canister?  I wonder if anyone took notice to any computer program differences, in the FJR computer module between, europe & united states?  I even think the FI and throttlebody sizes are untouched, so do you know twowheelnut, or someone here, where to pin point the difference?  Couldn't be just the fuel right, or the mapping? (because even with a Powercommander we are still short)

Used to be primarily an emissions plumbing thing. But as rad said, it's most likely in the bike's brain as well these days. One of the primary reasons that we don't get a lot of the cool cars and bikes here in the States is due to just this issue - well, that and safety standards - cost just too damned much to Federalize, especially small batch, low profit products such as bikes. Hell, it took 10 friggin' years to get the Lotus Elise over here...

Course, you could live in France and be forced to buy their FJRs which are mandate limited to 105 HP (all bikes for that matter). Now that would really piss you off, no?

 

[zzkenoman]

Can I use a ECM from Europe for example, to make up the de-tune differences here in the States?

 

[twowheelnut]

Dunno. I don't think it would be worth your time, effort and green (well, with your luck on the reservation, maybe the green wouldn't be an issue... ) for the results.

 

[skyway]

As far as the Euro's having more honk... Thank the EPA. Most Euro versions of the same motor typically put out more power the the federalized versions. Sad, but true.

Maybe all except the poor riders in France, who top out at whopping 108.17 hp. :haha:

I'll take my US version over the turds they put out over there, any day of the week.

 

[Bounce]

Are we being unfairly under horsepowered here in the US? Why does Europe Dyno charts show closer to the bikes specs, than any of our Bikes here in America?

Do you mean the difference between OEM reported HP (at the crank) and dyno HP (at the rear wheel)? If so, the average reported loss between the two is pretty typical.

 

[teerex51]

I can't locate the last dyno chart :blink: but I clearly recall it showed 130 HP at the wheel.

Bike's a Euro 2003, Galaxy blue (the color being the main reason for that extra oomph) and has

- PCIIIUSB with custom-made map at a mere €95 in a Dinojet center

- K&N filter (and that, gentlemen, is another key factor... )

Stef

 

[Bounce]

I can't locate the last dyno chart  :blink: but I clearly recall it showed 130 HP at the wheel.
Bike's a Euro 2003, Galaxy blue (the color being the main reason for that extra oomph) and has

- PCIIIUSB with custom-made map at a mere €95 in a Dinojet center

- K&N filter (and that, gentlemen, is another key factor... )

Stef

that's about what my 2003 shows at the referenced page (above), without a K&N filter.

 

[zzkenoman]

# Compact, lightweight 1298cc, DOHC, 16-valve, liquid-cooled in-line four-cylinder engine delivers massive power and torque (145 hp @ 8000 RPM and 99 ft.-lbs. of torque @ 7000 RPM, respectively) for an unequaled spread of muscle over a wide RPM range.

Heres my concern guys, off the dealer floor, you go to the Dynojet, and you get a hp range of 119 to 125 average. 145 hp is on the website, and we are all taking for granted that the EPA, or the country that it is being sold, is the reason that the bikes here in US, are not getting the same HP? What gives guys? Not one of you reading this have even gotten close to the 145 HP, even with the PC111, K&N, Exaust mods. Don't you think we should start out with 145 and with our mods add on top of this? Don't take me wrong, I love my bike, but as a consumer I think the little injustice is just plain wrong!

 

[twowheelnut]

ZZ, the dyno is measuring the power at the rear wheel. The factory's number is measured at the crank. A 10 - 20% power loss is typical between those two measuring points due to all the whirly bits, friction, weight, etc. At the end of the day, it's the power at the wheel that is important...