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I'm tossing around the idea of buying a 2005 Mini Cooper S and would like some first hand input from anyone who currently owns one. I've browsed some forums and just want to know what you think.

Its completely impractical, yes. I'm sure its everything a sports car should be, but I just want to know what to be aware of.

Thanks in advance.

 
I test drove one...not too bad, but I ended up getting a new Miata with the power retractable hard top.

Much more fun to drive........

KM

 
Much more fun to drive........
This subjective statement would get an argument from many including me. I've driven several Miatas over thousands of miles and while it's a fine roadster, I much prefer how my Mini drives, especially how much roomier the cockpit is.

I have a 2004 MCS bought new on which I have about 25K miles. It's the only car I've bought that, four years into ownership, I enjoy driving as much today as the day I bought it. Most cars I sorta lose interest after a few years, but the Mini still feels fun, fresh, and different. It's as close to a motorcycling experience in a car as I've found.

It's also amazing practical for a sporty car (in marked contrast to something like.... a Miata). It's got a ton of room inside, I haul my bicycle around in it, pick stuff up at the home store, haul kids when I need to, etc. My wife and I have taken several long driving vacations, and although the ride is stiff, the seats and driving position are conducive to long days and the visibility is great for road touring.

I've had two minor issues - a broken window lift and a power steering fluid leak. Both were fixed quickly under warrant. Some complain of squeaks and rattles, but mine is rock solid. Having said this, I don't expect my Mini to be as trouble-free as most Hondas, Toyotas, Mazdas, and Nissans. It's built by BMW after all. But it's reliable enough and the engine is bulletproof.

There are drawbacks. Fuel mileage is not up to snuff for such a small car (I average low-20's town, high-20's highway), the backseats are not habitable by adults over reasonble distances, and while the strippers are a good value, the price of the ala carte options is absolutely ridiculous. If you like to load up your car with gizmos, you'll end up with a small FWD car that costs about the same as a 328i and I don't get that. Honestly, you get more small FWD coupe value in a Mazdaspeed 3 or GTI, and you get a car with a real back seat. But neither drives like a Mini. A base MCS is still a pretty great deal and the new turbo motors are very nice.

Sounds like you're buying used, in which case you're just going to be fighting the high resale value. I haven't checked lately, but four years later, my car was worth about 80% of what I originally paid. But with the new turbo revisions and the Clubmans, I suspect used prices have come down to earth. A 2005 is a good year - 2004 was the big change where the exorcised a lot of the original bugs in the new car. I may trade for a 2009 once the new model has had some seasoning, but I drove one the other day and some things I don't like as well. We'll see.

Anyway, it's a quirky but very cool car. If it strikes a chord with you then it will be a VERY fun car to own. If it doesn't, then there are ways to get more car for less money.

- Mark

 
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I have a an '05 loaded, the wife has an '07 loaded.

I would not hesitate to recommend an '05 or '06, they are truely superb drivers cars. Most people will find them a little harsh and notchy - but it's eactly why I love it so. It's an awesome handling car, is extremely fun to drive and puts a smile on your face every single time, even when it's to run to the store. I can't even say the same of the '07, which is a completely different beast, and is as tame as every other normal car out there.

I have minor mods to mine which I consider to be essential - JCW cowl induction airbox, upgraded pulley for slightly more boost, light weight wheels and very sticky tires and a computer reflash from MTH, a German company. It's not a terribly fast or quick car, even after my mods it's just in the low 6's and tops at 145 (it's a brick above 120). If you want speed, look elsewhere.

I don't consider mine anything but a 2 seater, in fact my rear seats are folded down 99% of the time. All my studio equipment fits very nicely however, it does carry a lot of cargo - even a 7' Christmas tree last year :) If you need to carry more than one passenger on any kind of regular basis other than a child, look elsewhere.

I have 27,000 miles with no major issues, just a couple minor ones taken care of under warranty of course. Just the usual new car stuff - we have never had a perfect vehicle - possibly because we are picky people.

There are a ton of options, and about the only one I consider critical is the radio. The stock level radio is absolutel crap. The optional Harmon kardon is WONDERFUL and if you appreciate good sound or use the car radio system, you will absolutely need to have that option. The navigation system in the '05 is crap. The sunroof is awesome. Everything else is personal prefference.

 
A 2005 is a good year - 2004 was the big change
No, 2005 was the change year, the biggest change being the lower final gear ratio offering much quicker 0-60 times. Gen 1 is 2002-2004, Gen 2 is 2005-2006. Gen 3 is 2007-

 
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the Mini is a cool car and is a hoot to drive but you can't put the top down like I can on my Miata with power retractable hard top.
They don't make the convertible Mini anymore? I realize it wasn't power retract, but, you could put it down.

 
I have a 2004 MCS bought new on which I have about 25K miles. It's the only car I've bought that, four years into ownership, I enjoy driving as much today as the day I bought it. Most cars I sorta lose interest after a few years, but the Mini still feels fun, fresh, and different. It's as close to a motorcycling experience in a car as I've found.
I can't speak for the MC but my experiences with our 2003 (32k miles) Subaru WRX sound similar (except for the need for anything beyond regular maintenance). It's fun enough that we're keeping it for my wife to drive and my '08 STi is reported to be in route for delivery shortly. Loads of fun but with a back seat/trunk (hatch on the '08) and appears to address some of the issues you mentioned with the MC.

 
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Where the heck do you people get your info (so, so wrong)??

Yes they still make the MINI covertible, and yes it's a power top. Sheesh.

 
Thanks for the input y'all. I've browsed the new owners section of https://www.minicooperforums.com/ but that hasn't been really helpful (no conversation).

What has maintenance been like? Cost, dealer experience and such?

This is the car I'm looking at it. The price almost seems too low, thoughts? I'm going to run a car fax on it.

 
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the Mini is a cool car and is a hoot to drive but you can't put the top down like I can on my Miata with power retractable hard top.
They don't make the convertible Mini anymore? I realize it wasn't power retract, but, you could put it down.
I never said they didn't make a Mini convertible - I just said you can't put the top down like I can on my power retractable hard top Miata. Flip lever, push and hold button for 12 seconds and the Miata top is down.

 
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I test drove one...not too bad, but I ended up getting a new Miata with the power retractable hard top.Much more fun to drive........
So true...! The difference between front-wheel-drive and rear-wheel-drive is a major one. If you really like to drive -- choose rear-wheel-drive.

'markjenn', Mini Cooper": Anyway, it's a quirky but very cool car. If it strikes a chord with you then it will be a VERY fun car to own.
True, too -- just, in a weird FWD sort'a way..... :)

'Bounce':....Subaru WRX....
Now you're talkin' -- best of all (imho).

Having owned plenty of 'sporty' cars (front & rear drive -- including a '60s Mini Cooper); thankfully, there still are some fun to drive cars available (few). And, these are some. I like the new Minis -- but, front-wheel-drive is a turn-off, for me, if I'm looking for a "Driver's Car". YMMV

 
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A 2005 is a good year - 2004 was the big change
No, 2005 was the change year, the biggest change being the lower final gear ratio offering much quicker 0-60 times. Gen 1 is 2002-2004, Gen 2 is 2005-2006. Gen 3 is 2007-
Well, there's no formal definition, but the 2004-2005 was mostly the gearing change and a slight change in engine performance, but there were literally hundreds of detail changes that improve fit, finish, and reliability between 2003-2004 - believe me, I did the research before deciding that 2004 had enough of the teething problems (power steering pump overheating, steering column clicking, windshield stress cracking, etc.) with the initial production solved to take the risk. I've never heard of anyone calling the 2005 changes a new "generation". Generally, people think of the 2002-2006 cars as Gen1, and the new 2007- and beyond (with the turbo motor) as Gen2.

- Mark

 
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Thanks for the input y'all. I've browsed the new owners section of https://www.minicooperforums.com/ but that hasn't been really helpful (no conversation).
What has maintenance been like? Cost, dealer experience and such?

This is the car I'm looking at it. The price almost seems too low, thoughts? I'm going to run a car fax on it.
Looks like a nice car, but fair warning - keeping those white wheels clean will be an unholy terror.

The options list looks like it has the premium package and the wheels look like sport package wheels, but OTOH, it says it has a sunroof and I don't see one on the car. (Maybe the angle in the photo is a a bit too oblique to show it.) I'd confirm all the options. If it does have all the packages, it was a $27K car new, so $18K sounds about right. As I said earlier, I think the new generation and the Clubmans have caused some softening in the sky-high Mini used market. My only caution on the value side is that you could probably negotiate a new MS3 or GTI for around $22K, so I'm still not viewing Minis (especially used) as great value choices.

Minis have free maintenance for 3-yrs/36K and after this is is pretty expensive if you have it done by the dealer. But its a simple car with simple systems and there are tons of DIY info on the net. The oil change intervals predicted by the maintenance system (at 15k+) are too long in my opinion, even with synthetic oils, but I drive only about 6K/year and just do a yearly change. (The oil filter is a cartridge type and is a PITA the first time.) Most folks put a pulley on the 1st gen cars as it is an easy/cheap way to add 10-15% more power. I don't think the CAIs do that much except add induction noise, but if you do the full package - pulley, CAI, cat-back, chip - you can pull these things up to 200-hp pretty easily and this is about all the FWD chassis can take anyway. I find my car with just a 15% pulley is plenty fast enough and adding more power mostly adds wheelspin, understeer, and torque steer. (I was a RWD addict for most of my car-driving career but this MCS has such nice balance up to 8/10ths, I haven't missed it very much. But if you really drive a car hard - which is pretty risky on public roads these days - I'd still tend towards RWD and that new 135i looks like THE packaget to get in this regard. For a car to drive quickly but not super-duper fast, I think a nicely-blanced FWD'er is a nice choice and pretty safe.) I'd like to add lighter-weight wheels and ditch the runflats but I'm cheap, so I'm waiting for the original tires to expire.

One problem with Minis is that they're often abused badly - they really attract the boy-racer crowd, almost more than the Civics. I'd look for one with minimal performance mods.

The best Mini forum I've found is www.northamericanmotoring.com - as with all forums (like this one), you'll hear some rear horror stores that will give you pause, so you have to take everything with a grain of salt and don't assume the worst is the average. Even Consumer Reports is now showing that the later-model Minis have turned the corner on reliability. But as I said earlier, its hard to beat the Japanese, especially Honda and Toyota, on reliability these days.

Cheers,

- Mark

 
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Thanks for the input y'all. I've browsed the new owners section of https://www.minicooperforums.com/ but that hasn't been really helpful (no conversation).
What has maintenance been like? Cost, dealer experience and such?

This is the car I'm looking at it. The price almost seems too low, thoughts? I'm going to run a car fax on it.
Make sure you bring your Parents to co-sign!! :p :p

That was a funny story you told me at EOM about buying your bike.

JW

 
LOLOL

I figure that showing up in my work clothes would work, instead of jeans and a t-shirt like I did for the fjr haha

Also, Mark, the car does have a sun roof - I checked it out last night. I didn't even think to ask about the packages that were on the car. The car did not have any mods done to it, so far as I could tell. It was also dark, I want to go back this weekend and check it out. It might be gone by then, but I guess that would be my luck.

 
I never said they didn't make a Mini convertible - I just said you can't put the top down like I can on my power retractable hard top Miata. Flip lever, push and hold button for 12 seconds and the Miata top is down.
most of those transformer top solutions tend to eat up what little boot space you might have had. add to that most cabriolet body styles aren't as stiff as their hard top cousins; meaning decreased handling on models that (at least in this discussion) are performance-oriented. in some cases they've even had to de-tune the motor so that it didn't end up tweaking the chassis after chopping the top.

 
I never said they didn't make a Mini convertible - I just said you can't put the top down like I can on my power retractable hard top Miata. Flip lever, push and hold button for 12 seconds and the Miata top is down.
Well that proves you have never actually tried it in a MINI - same procedure there sparky - all with one finger.

 
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