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Saw one of these the other day. They seem to look capable, powerful, and reasonable, but I'm wondering how well they run during a 10,000 foot change in elevation. Carbs kinda scare me anymore and I wouldn't want to have to do mid-ride maintenance in both directions.

Would some other bike be better suited for mountain goat duties? TIA

 
Very cool -- for a single cylinder touring bike.

Carbs: actually, now that the EPA mandates "just about nuthin" out of the tailpipe -- carburated bikes often run a little better at higher altitudes and run more poorly (exhibit starting, low speed, and some driveability issues) at the lowest altitudes (heavier air and therefore even "leaner", if that were possible?). Many owners do some mild (illegal?) re-jetting.

Other, better-suited, mountain goat: depending on where you plan to make it take you and your off-road abilities; something like Yamaha's XT225 may be way more user-friendly in an off-road environment. They used to call it the "Serow" -- which is an Asian mountain goat (or, something like that?).

 
Saw one of these the other day. They seem to look capable, powerful, and reasonable, but I'm wondering how well they run during a 10,000 foot change in elevation. Carbs kinda scare me anymore and I wouldn't want to have to do mid-ride maintenance in both directions.
Would some other bike be better suited for mountain goat duties? TIA
I wouldn't worry about that at all. I rode mine through some changes in altitude without any issues at all.

I like my little KLX250S better for gravel and fire roads and WAY better for dirt. It's not as nice on the highway as the KLR however. Just depends on what you want to do.

 
I have looked at both and owners of both seem to like them. The KLR650 is deemed the best highway of the thumper dual sports, where the Honda is mid grade for both highway and off road and the susuzki DR650 seems to win best off road honors of the three. Bottom line, neither is super agile in the dirt, but are great for fire roads.

The KLR650 gets you there with more comfort, and there are many, many aftermarket add ons. (larger tanks, aftermarket seats (see russell etc))

The XT225 is acclaimed for being so agile and easy to ride that it can handle very tough spots that larger bikes have a harder time handling. Obviously the 225 is working hard at highway speeds.

The 225 is about 1k less than the KLR - both are proven reliable and seem to handle altitude changes pretty darn well

This thread has a LOT of info on the subject and a lot of opinions about various contenders...I want one too!

https://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php?s...7&hl=klr650

 
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I like my little KLX250S better for gravel and fire roads and WAY better for dirt. It's not as nice on the highway as the KLR however. Just depends on what you want to do.
I've got the highway part covered quite nicely, but just starting to dabble in the realm of the second bike. Definitely want it to favor the dirt and rock crawling duties. Low gearing with lots of oomph preferred. Thanks for the suggestions.
 
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I have had one since 02. I bought it while waiting for the FJR and it will always have a spot in the stable. The KLR doesn't do anything perfect but does a lot really well. If you gear it down a bit it does better off road but stock works fine for me. The seat sucks so i went with Russell and have been happy with that. There it a ton of aftermarket support and the only must upgrade is the balancer tension lever "AKA Doohickey" as it has been known to raise hell if ti breaks. it is a 40.00 fix if you do your own work. You won't be sorry if you buy one.

 
Bottom line is that it's a relatively light weight street bike with good ground clearance and it happens to look like a dirt bike. I had a love/hate relationship with my KLR650. The biggest misconception I had when I bought it was that I thought it was a dirt bike. Aside from some additional ground clearance, it's not much better than your FJR in the dirt. It's also the most underpowered 650cc bike I've ever been on and no matter how much money you throw at it, you can't get more than maybe 2 HP over stock. And you'll get about 90% of that just by rejetting. Which by the way isn't illegal. The suspension particularly sucks off the pavement and, like the power issue, there's very little improvement available at any price. Stiffer fork springs are available and they make a big improvement for street riding and cornering, which is the one thing it really does well. I could keep up with sport bikes in the twisties real easy until the road straightened out and then I might as well be trailing a parachute. With a 6 gallon tank it's got good range but the stock seat is a torture device. I had a Corbin and loved it on the road but off road, ouch! When that thing comes up and hits you in the *** it's like getting whacked with a 2x10. There's almost a cult following for the KLR and there's a wealth of info and support available in the internet here: Click and here: click

You have to check valves about every 5,000 miles (IIRC) which takes about a day and they do go out of spec. I never noticed any difference in performance with elevation, you pretty much get **** for power anywhere :lol: But you do get good mileage. I will add that it is durable. I took mine on the Rubicon on one insanely exhausting day of bouldering and it was after about the fourth time it rolled off a cliff and had me pinned upside down in a crevase I realized just how heavy, high geared, and completely inapropriate it was in the dirt. And I'm a good dirt rider if I say so myself. And I still rode it home and kept up with a group of sport bikes down Icehouse road much to their amazement.

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For the uses you mention I'd look for a street legal Yamaha WR426/450 or Suzuki DRZ400E (avoid the DRZ400S!). The down side of each is the small fuel tank. Kind of hard to get from your house to the mountains and dirt and back on 2-3 gallons and nothing less than knobbies will perform worth **** in dirt, rocks, etc. "Dualsport" tires are a con.

 
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I agree with you , Evil. I did some hard dirt riding on a KLR I used to have and it would bottom hard with anything over half a tank. Plus it wallowed badly in turns on the dirt. I found an XR650L to be more capable all around. In Colorado it is pretty easy to make a WR450 legal enough to get by. Many large tanks are available.

 
In case you want to learn more about the new-to-the-US-in-2006 KLX250S, you can read about it for 3 days on this link

Since it's new here, not too many folks know about it. It shares a lot with the KLX300R dirt bike and while it's not exactly new technology, it's worlds ahead of the KLR650 which is essentially 1987 tech unchanged.

I did an SS1K on my KLR650. No way could I do that on the KLX but it sure is a hoot offroad!

With the bigger tank, jet kit, Muzzy, and a few other farkles, I can ride mine the 50 miles to the dirt, play all day, and ride it home.

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I find my 2001 to be a good compromise. It's not as comfortable on the road as a real road bike (lots of vibration - typical for a thumper) and it won't do single track like a real dirt bike. But it will do asphalt, logging, fire roads and most jeep roads just fine.

Those who say it is not a real dirt bike are correct to a point. But, with Progressive springs on the front, and braided steel cables for the front brake, there are guys who take the KLR on single track. I wouldn't do it as I am not skilled enough, and that is really pushing the edge on the bike, but it is done. I have had the KLR on Colorado mountain dirt and rock passes at above 10,000 ft, and crossed Spring snow pack on it, so it is capable with just a few mods.

Ron

 
A modified dirt-only, quasi -legal street bike won't work as easily with California's DMV.

Bob, if you can "trailer" it to the dirt, the lightest weight bike would be the best. If you're "riding" to the dirt, seriously look at the Suzukie DRZ-400E, but be aware that it is a bit "wheezy" at high freeway speeds. Really good at 65 mph, though.

 
Bottom line is that it's a relatively light weight street bike with good ground clearance and it happens to look like a dirt bike. I had a love/hate relationship with my KLR650. The biggest misconception I had when I bought it was that I thought it was a dirt bike. Aside from some additional ground clearance, it's not much better than your FJR in the dirt. It's also the most underpowered 650cc bike I've ever been on and no matter how much money you throw at it, you can't get more than maybe 2 HP over stock. And you'll get about 90% of that just by rejetting. Which by the way isn't illegal. The suspension particularly sucks off the pavement and, like the power issue, there's very little improvement available at any price. Stiffer fork springs are available and they make a big improvement for street riding and cornering, which is the one thing it really does well. I could keep up with sport bikes in the twisties real easy until the road straightened out and then I might as well be trailing a parachute. With a 6 gallon tank it's got good range but the stock seat is a torture device. I had a Corbin and loved it on the road but off road, ouch! When that thing comes up and hits you in the *** it's like getting whacked with a 2x10. There's almost a cult following for the KLR and there's a wealth of info and support available in the internet here: Click and here: click You have to check valves about every 5,000 miles (IIRC) which takes about a day and they do go out of spec. I never noticed any difference in performance with elevation, you pretty much get **** for power anywhere But you do get good mileage. I will add that it is durable. I took mine on the Rubicon on one insanely exhausting day of bouldering and it was after about the fourth time it rolled off a cliff and had me pinned upside down in a crevase I realized just how heavy, high geared, and completely inapropriate it was in the dirt. And I'm a good dirt rider if I say so myself. And I still rode it home and kept up with a group of sport bikes down Icehouse road much to their amazement.

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For the uses you mention I'd look for a street legal Yamaha WR426/450 or Suzuki DRZ400E (avoid the DRZ400S!). The down side of each is the small fuel tank. Kind of hard to get from your house to the mountains and dirt and back on 2-3 gallons and nothing less than knobbies will perform worth **** in dirt, rocks, etc. "Dualsport" tires are a con.
Bob, listen to what EH has to say. Seriously, BTDT. I've been dual sporting since 1977, starting with a Yamaha TT500 that was street licensed. Not legal, licensed.. For me, it's SO simple.. The dirt reigns supreme. The street is nothing more than a connector to dirt trails. I've learned over the years that a great dirt bike makes for a good street bike e.g. 'adequate to get to the next trail' but a 'good street dual sport' truly does SUCK in the dirt and will throw you DOWN and then HURT you when you are very far AWAY from help.

..And as you ride more dualsport.. the more 'trails' just call your name... come on ToeCutter, the really nice lake is just at the end of this little simple looking benign trail... you can do it.... :lol:

My current dual sport ride is still being built - a 1987 ATK with Honda XR600 air cooled motor (bullet proof), 4130 chrome alloy frame, the best brakes and suspension. Total cost for the project so far? Less than 3k. And when completed, like yesteryear, it's still good enough to MX on with OTMX crowd.. (Old Timers Motocross, must be 40+ to enter :D ... interested?) Or if you are 40 challenged, I race with the Over The Hill Gang, OTHG, 30+... :lol: )

If I wasn't into air cooled motors for off-road (another discussion), I'd buy one of the many Honda XR650's that have already been grandfathered in as street licensed vehicles. Find some old fart that never abused the motor and ride that thing for years. The XR 650's can run all day long at freeway speeds (90+ easily) and then do very well on pretty severe trails (much more so than a KLR) with just a slight gearing down.

I have buds that run these bikes in incredible situations - ride to Colorado from Ca, carry extra countershaft sprockets that change the gearing when the off-road stuff starts. The size of the CS sprockets are such that each will fit within the length of chain e.g. no link removal required.

I've been with these guys on true 'off-road' events.. and they can flat keep up. If I wasn't so far inclined towards the 'true-dirt' leaning, I'd be all over a street licensed Xr650.

And yes, you can get one that is 'un-distinguishable' to the DMV for a great price. It's all in the number of vin digits. I don't know the exact numbers, but within the last year or two the # of digits changed from say 17 to 25 with the extra numbers designating the off-road only status of the bike. Bikes with the 17 digits are still good to go. Not sure what the exact number of digits are, the numbers mentioned above are just an example.

Anyway - sorry for the diatribe, but this sh#% I LOVE. Once you start, you won't be able to stop. Dirt riding makes such a better steet rider out of you. Not to mention that the MAJORITY of the earth is now your playground,. not just where the oil tarmac ends... Just be sure to have a good sense of direction or a good GPS... :dribble: ...and if you ever decide to run mx/sx you are more than welcome to my private track.. come to think of it, I think you just might be a racer in disguise... just like me.. :yahoo:

 
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No doubt about it the XR650 is a great bike, hell it's what's been winning Baja for years now. There's no replacement for displacement when it comes to the wide open throttle stuff but a 650cc bike takes a lot more skill and effort in the tight technical stuff. And that includes the part where you have to pick it up after you crash. You'll probably be doing a lot of that at first :lol: For 90mph+ dirt riding nothing can touch an XR650 but where I ride if I go much over about 35 I'm comming off and there are times when I wish I was on my KLX300 instead of my WR426. Not many though :lol: Just more to think about. Buy what gives you wood then flog the **** out of it. The bike not the...oh crap.

 
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I'm leaving Kansas City for the Pacific NW next week and am going to take my KLR vs the FJR. I am going to carry a tent and spend some nights in it and in Wyoming and Montana I want to travel some backroads.

The KLR for around town is very hard to beat for it is light, reasonably abuse resistant unlike the FJR, the high perch lets you see around much better, and the wide bars lets you push it around fairly easily.

Check out the following post of a guy kicking sport bike *** on the Dragon. This is not me though. I would be the "Kickee", not the "Kicker". On the following page he gives some of the details.

https://www.klr650.net/forums/showthread.php?t=41716

 
A modified dirt-only, quasi -legal street bike won't work as easily with California's DMV.
Bob, if you can "trailer" it to the dirt, the lightest weight bike would be the best. If you're "riding" to the dirt, seriously look at the Suzukie DRZ-400E, but be aware that it is a bit "wheezy" at high freeway speeds. Really good at 65 mph, though.
+1

I have an '01 DRZ400E (with a fatty pipe and Big Gun can) and love it to death. Light, flickable, torque up the wazoo, starts every single time and easy to maintain. My only ***** is that it ain't street legal. I hate trailering it.

 
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The one item I didn't see mentioned was the size of the XRL vs KLR. I've owed two XR650's (wish I still had one!) and they sit very tall compared to the KLR. If you don't mind kick starting, I've also seen some clean XL600's out there as well. These are also very capable bikes. Hell, I had a '83 model that I took from Northern IN to the Smokey's - racked up around 1500 miles on the road alone. Of course, I am still vibrating from this trip but it was a great memory!

My current mount is a CRF450X that is about to become street legal. What we really need is around 7 motorcycles to complete all of our needs! But it sure is fun trying out different bikes!

Good luck!

 
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