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I have always believed that the ethanol mandate is a bad thing. Ethanol costs more to produce than gasoline, and consumes more energy than it yields when all inputs are considered. Not to mention the cost of cleaning a fuel system when it has been sitting in your gas tank for more than a couple of weeks during humid weather.

The most efficient form of energy available to humanity is fossil fuels, proved at least in part by the decrease in miles per gallon experienced with ethanol blended fuel. Nothing else comes close at least for now.

Side effects of ethanol use are numerous, particularly in older forms of modus transportus that are not designed for the corrosive ethanol content. I like classic cars & bikes for their simplicity and performance. Carburetors amplify the ill effects.

The diversion of food crops to my gas tank is another pain point. Which would we rather import: Our fuel or our food? Who has a high confidence in the safety of imported food products when our pets have already been the victims of toxic additives? Truth is, we don't have to import so much fuel now, so at least one of the arguments in favor of the mandate has achieved obsolescence.

The article linked below highlights yet another consequence of a short-sighted government mandate imposed upon the populace by people who don't consider all of the facts. I have written my members of congress about this issue over the last few years, and hoped that one of our sitting senators would get beat in last year's primary partly due to his role in getting us into the current situation. He has started to change his mind, but undoing bad legislation is difficult. It will take several senators and reps to overcome the current law.

https://energytomorrow.org/blog/2015/january/ethanol-and-consequence-honeybee-edition

Y'all have fun with this!

 
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8% of the corn crop is used for food.

The U.S exports a lot of corn... so I don't think that our food supply is in any jeopardy.

We've been using ethanol-laced fuel around these parts for more than 25 years.

My riding lawnmower has just finished it's 19th cutting season and the carb has never been off. All original fuel system - except for fuel filters.

It also takes a lot of energy to refine crude oil.

pffffft.

...or was your post simply an attempt to stir up crap ?

 
Well, you are correct about all of this but .....

You and everyone else that spends their valuable life time combating things like this with facts by writing letter in an attempt to "convince" people to change the law are spinning your wheels ...

You think that facts and logical persuasion will trump reality ...

Reality is that Ethanol in fuel has nothing to do with the environment or anything else good for that matter ... It DOES have something to do with MONEY and the size of the market for fuel ... It is simple, this benefits groups of people in the pocketbook. Period ...

Your facts and articles are 100% correct and because of that, they will never go anywhere ...

Follow the money ...

 
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Well, you are correct about all of this but .....
You and everyone else that spends their valuable life time combating things like this with facts by writing letter in an attempt to "convince" people to change the law are spinning your wheels ...

You think that facts and logical persuasion will trump reality ...

Reality is that Ethanol in fuel has nothing to do with the environment or anything else good for that matter ... It DOES have something to do with MONEY and the size of the market for fuel ... It is simple, this benefits groups of people in the pocketbook. Period ...

Your facts and articles are 100% correct and because of that, they will never go anywhere ...

Follow the money ...
This right here is the problem, a defeatist attitude

I support the OP and his sense of what is right and what is wrong His facts are correct and since the majority agrees with the facts I do not understand why they do not have the fortitude to change what is wrong.

Have we become a nation of weak minded people who no longer care about what is right for the common good? Looks that way. Just what in the hell are you guys afraid of? Politicians are people, most of them are greedy and corrupt, so is it right to allow them impose mandates to the citizens of this free nation because it lines their pockets with money? If you do not stand up for what is an injustice you have given up your freedoms. Shame on you to allow these corruptors to intimidate you.

One of the many criteria for this nation's foundation is that it is a Nation of the people, For the people and By the people, or did you forget that?

 
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I agree that using food for duel is a bad idea. I know from experience that ethanol in fuel is detrimental to small engines with carburetors, regardless of the age of the engines or carburetors. I also know from experience that alcohol in fuel reduces the efficiency, in particular miles per gallon.

This topic comes up periodically and I believe that the public input does make a difference.

 
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...I also know from experience that alcohol in fuel reduces the efficiency...
I know that alcohol sure reduces my efficiency. I can't understand feeding my motorcycle more alcohol than I drink. No wonder motorcycles fall over so often
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Just get rid of the old school thinking and get away from all high energy density fluids, skip low energy density electrics and jump straight to fuel cells and catalyze some of the most common elements in the universe. Leave the corn for people, animals and drinkin' alcohol.

I expect the admins are charging up their Illudium Q-36 blaster for this thread.

 
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...I also know from experience that alcohol in fuel reduces the efficiency...
I know that alcohol sure reduces my efficiency. I can't understand feeding my motorcycle more alcohol than I drink. No wonder motorcycles fall over so often
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Just get rid of the old school thinking and get away from all high energy density fluids, skip low energy density electrics and jump straight to fuel cells and catalyze some of the most common elements in the universe. Leave the corn for people, animals and drinkin' alcohol.
I agree with you on fuel cells. Of course that means we need to produce the hydrogen, and that requires electricity. So we need a lot more electricity, and in order to generate as much electricity as required we need to use nuclear power.

If the solution was simple we would not have the problem.

 
Well, you are correct about all of this but .....
You and everyone else that spends their valuable life time combating things like this with facts by writing letter in an attempt to "convince" people to change the law are spinning your wheels ...

You think that facts and logical persuasion will trump reality ...

Reality is that Ethanol in fuel has nothing to do with the environment or anything else good for that matter ... It DOES have something to do with MONEY and the size of the market for fuel ... It is simple, this benefits groups of people in the pocketbook. Period ...

Your facts and articles are 100% correct and because of that, they will never go anywhere ...

Follow the money ...
This right here is the problem, a defeatist attitude

I support the OP and his sense of what is right and what is wrong His facts are correct and since the majority agrees with the facts I do not understand why they do not have the fortitude to change what is wrong.

Have we become a nation of weak minded people who no longer care about what is right for the common good? Looks that way. Just what in the hell are you guys afraid of? Politicians are people, most of them are greedy and corrupt, so is it right to allow them impose mandates to the citizens of this free nation because it lines their pockets with money? If you do not stand up for what is an injustice you have given up your freedoms. Shame on you to allow these corruptors to intimidate you.

One of the many criteria for this nation's foundation is that it is a Nation of the people, For the people and By the people, or did you forget that?
I support him too ... And (As I said), his facts are correct ...

The other facts that are correct is that this is not a battle that will be won or lost with facts ... Powerful market forces trump facts until something changes that affects the viability of what is happening ... As long as someone in power can cast votes that benefit themselves monetarily, it wont change ...

It will take some new technology to come along that changes the economical landscape (shakes things up) before you will ever see pure gas again ...

You don't need to have a defeatist attitude to know which battles to engage in ... For me, Ill spend my time riding on corn laced gas until such a time as the bike wont go any more. Then I will start to complain .. Or maybe just buy a new bike that runs on corn ...

 
There is a website (forgot name) (pure gas?) that lists ethanol free gas stations by states. I get ethanol free at my local co-op.

 
www.pure-gas.org lists stations by city in each state that sells non-oxygenated gas. YMMV

 
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Well, you are correct about all of this but .....
You and everyone else that spends their valuable life time combating things like this with facts by writing letter in an attempt to "convince" people to change the law are spinning your wheels ...

You think that facts and logical persuasion will trump reality ...

Reality is that Ethanol in fuel has nothing to do with the environment or anything else good for that matter ... It DOES have something to do with MONEY and the size of the market for fuel ... It is simple, this benefits groups of people in the pocketbook. Period ...

Your facts and articles are 100% correct and because of that, they will never go anywhere ...

Follow the money ...
This right here is the problem, a defeatist attitude

I support the OP and his sense of what is right and what is wrong His facts are correct and since the majority agrees with the facts I do not understand why they do not have the fortitude to change what is wrong.

Have we become a nation of weak minded people who no longer care about what is right for the common good? Looks that way. Just what in the hell are you guys afraid of? Politicians are people, most of them are greedy and corrupt, so is it right to allow them impose mandates to the citizens of this free nation because it lines their pockets with money? If you do not stand up for what is an injustice you have given up your freedoms. Shame on you to allow these corruptors to intimidate you.

One of the many criteria for this nation's foundation is that it is a Nation of the people, For the people and By the people, or did you forget that?
I support him too ... And (As I said), his facts are correct ...

The other facts that are correct is that this is not a battle that will be won or lost with facts ... Powerful market forces trump facts until something changes that affects the viability of what is happening ... As long as someone in power can cast votes that benefit themselves monetarily, it wont change ...

It will take some new technology to come along that changes the economical landscape (shakes things up) before you will ever see pure gas again ...

You don't need to have a defeatist attitude to know which battles to engage in ... For me, Ill spend my time riding on corn laced gas until such a time as the bike wont go any more. Then I will start to complain .. Or maybe just buy a new bike that runs on corn ...

My point is to unseat those in power that can vote to benefit themselves monetaraly. Unless I am missing something they were not elected to benifit themselves.

The citizens of this country should contact thier represenitives on all levels, local, state and federal. Get involved and tell them what you agree with and what you do not agree with. If we don't do that they will continue to do whatever benefits them not us.

 
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