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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cav47" data-source="post: 1267169" data-attributes="member: 87133">@Bounce,  as for your #3 about buying a car, I hate the dealing with the dealership too, but my experience is not negative with the salesmen.  It seems like the salesmen now are just a frontline for the "sales managers"  They are the ones with power.  The salesmen do not have any ability to make a decision.  I generally do what I can to bypass them in the transaction.  Or warn them if they try to play games.  But I agree, they can be sleazy.@Pants, did you really not haggle at all with the car??   I know you are frugal and like to get a good deal, so make them throw in something.  The great part of the internet is that you can know exactly what they are making on the deal and then shop your desire for accessories around to other dealerships.  Floor mats, oil changes, car washes, mud flaps, and appearance items are all things I have got the dealer to "throw in" for staying at their dealership.Thanks for sharing the experience with us.  It is cool to see this happen.  I might make my oldest read this as a precursor to a future experience he will have sooner than I would like to admit.It's not as good as your ride reports, but we will take what we can get from you for now.</blockquote>