Oil, snake oil, & break in

[otrfjr]

Hi all.

My new '07 is due Monday or Tuesday & I'm mulling break in strategies. Just for the joy of pure, speculative conjecture, what's the worst that could happen if I used a Purolator filter in conjunction with a Klear Force magnedoodlesnakeoil oil 'purifier' clickety during the initial miles? Worst case scenario as far as I can tell would be clogging the filter with a massive amount of metal thereby depriving the engine of needed lubrication and cooling causing it to seize, throw me over the bars & through the windshield directly into the path of an oncoming semi loaded with tarantulas, rattlesnakes, electric eels, and Pepto bismol (just smelling it causes me to heave) that in its effort to avoid me tips over and spills its contents over my prone, mangled, but still breathing body. Other than that, I can't see anything wrong with the combo. Barring the oncoming semi, would anyone else try magnetizing their oil filter during break in?

 

[twowheelnut]

Worst case? The world will end as we know it. Otherwise, do a search and you'll find elebenty-leben threads on break-in and your question has be asked, answered and **** on.

Enjoy that new ride, tho!

 

[otrfjr]

Thanks! I plan on enjoying the heck out of it, esp with bike week around the corner (geographically & calendar-wise).

However, I did a search & didn't turn up anything on the Klear Force purifier & break in. Anyone else using it? When/at how many miles did you start using it?

Worst case? The world will end as we know it. Otherwise, do a search and you'll find elebenty-leben threads on break-in and your question has be asked, answered and **** on.
Enjoy that new ride, tho!

 

[Rickster]

I'd guess it's just a magnet.

I'm not sure how much ferrous steel is in the FJR versus Aluminum -- it won't help with aluminum particulate matter.

I've never used one, so I can't really help ya out there.

 

[otrfjr]

An excellent point! There's one for the Yamaha engineers lurking on the site: how much ring particulate by weight is there on average vs. block particulate by weight. Inquiring minds want to know.

What other metal bits are being ground into shavings in addition to rings & cylinder walls? Bueller?... Bueller?... Anyone? (Get it? His name was Ferris Bueller...Ferris/ferrous)

I'd guess it's just a magnet.
I'm not sure how much ferrous steel is in the FJR versus Aluminum -- it won't help with aluminum particulate matter.

I've never used one, so I can't really help ya out there.

 

[Fencer]

Change oil at 20 miles, again 100, again 400, again 800, No magnet needed.

Your welcome.

 

[Ignacio]

There's one for the Yamaha engineers lurking on the site: how much ring particulate by weight is there on average vs. block particulate by weight. Inquiring minds want to know.

Uhhh....if there is an engineer they have never come forward in the nearly two years this board has existed. And some folks are embarrased to have posts moved to NEPRT, let alone start one here.

Inquiring minds can want to know all they want, but are best satisfied by reading, reading, and reading some more. I suggest wading through the Technical Discussion thread. The ones that are least satisified are the ones with 15 posts that say Gimme! Gimme! Gimme!.

I can tell you confidently that nobody on this forum is going to know what a figure of weight particulate vs. block particulate is. You, my friend, are therefore tasked with figuring it out what that is, and reporting back.

Inquiring minds want to know what you find out.

 

[conwest]

Change oil at 20 miles, again 100, again 400, again 800, No magnet needed.
Your welcome.

Fencer...aren`t we being somewhat excessive (or obsessive) with the oil changes u prescribe?! :blink:

 

[Warchild]

While it is too late for the break -in process since the bike is 5 years old and has ~ 17K on it, I was sent this little beauty to apply to the oil filter of my (new-to-me) 2002 CBR1100XX:

After a 5000 mile run, I'll cut the oil filter open and see what I got captured (if anything). Who knows... might be stuff in there; might not.

https://www.filtermag.com/

Some parts of the web site reads just like snake oil. The "Technology" page has some interesting paragraphs. Quite frankly, I dunno if this Filter Magnet is going to do anything at all, but.... I'm reasonably sure it's not going to harm anything, so, even if it does only a little bit of worthwhile goodness, I'm ahead of the game. :lol:

That having been said, I do wish I would have had this item during a new bike break-in.... just for the case study, if nothing else.

 

[DucatiSSsp]

While it is too late for the break -in process since the bike is 5 years old and has ~ 17K on it, I was sent this little beauty to apply to the oil filter of my (new-to-me) 2002 CBR1100XX:

After a 5000 mile run, I'll cut the oil filter open and see what I got captured (if anything). Who knows... might be stuff in there; might not.

https://www.filtermag.com/

Some parts of the web site reads just like snake oil. The "Technology" page has some interesting paragraphs. Quite frankly, I dunno if this Filter Magnet is going to do anything at all, but.... I'm reasonably sure it's not going to harm anything, so, even if it does only a little bit of worthwhile goodness, I'm ahead of the game. :lol:

That having been said, I do wish I would have had this item during a new bike break-in.... just for the case study, if nothing else.

What I have done with new motors, be it auto or home-use small engines is take a strong magnet and put it on the drain plug if it is not already so equipped. This will draw draw particles to it while the hot oil settles back into the sump. After recently doing this to my new generator and draining oil after putting motor through 3 heat cycles, there was a light dusting or more of powdery particles stuck on the drain bolt.

Back in 2003 when I did the same thing to my 6.0 PSD, I had about a pencil eraser worth of particles. Next oil change was just a dusting.

All in all, do what makes you sleep well at night. I have my doubt about WC's oil filter magnet as the oil passes through the filter too rapidly for the small particles to be attracted to the magnet, while the filter should trap the larger ones. But like he says, won't do any harm, and I will be interested to hear of his findings.

Enjoy your new Ride!

Bryce

 

[Fencer]

Change oil at 20 miles, again 100, again 400, again 800, No magnet needed.
Your welcome.

Fencer...aren`t we being somewhat excessive (or obsessive) with the oil changes u prescribe?! :blink:

Hey, he asked!

I did mine at 80, 300,1200, 3500, and 6800

 

[C&C]

There's not a whole lot of stuff floating around. A little machining swarf that the regular filter will not have any problem collecting.

 

[Toecutter]

I did mine at 80, 300,1200, 3500, and 6800

I sure hope those are approximates. :blink:

I could just picture it. Out for a nice ride, suddenly Fencer pulls over, calls the hook, gets towed home for his scheduled maintenance....Or "Mommy, why is Daddy riding his motorcycle around the block since he woke up?"

 

[Fencer]

I did mine at 80, 300,1200, 3500, and 6800

I sure hope those are approximates. :blink:

I could just picture it. Out for a nice ride, suddenly Fencer pulls over, calls the hook, gets towed home for his scheduled maintenance....Or "Mommy, why is Daddy riding his motorcycle around the block since he woke up?"

80 trip home from dealer

300 after initial ride to catch any floaters left

1200 before leaving for EOM

3500 getting home from EOM

6800 time to do it

I'm at 8000 now and will do it before I leave for SFO in April. I should be in the mid 9s by then.

Yes, they are approximates. I found that after my first bike I could not afford the tow truck and the $50 oil change.

 

[otrfjr]

OK, here's the plan for determining particulates by mass: step on bathroom scale with container of used oil (after first weighing self & empty container). Then thoroughly stir oil with magnet & re-weigh. Then strain remaining oil through coffee filters to capture aluminum particles & re-weigh. Anyone have a bathroom scale I can borrow? & a magnet? & some coffee filters?

Sorry: my embarrassment threshold is high & I have read many of the other oil threads...just couldn't find any anecdotal "evidence" about the whole magnet thing combined with break in. As for the lurking Yammie engineers, I will continue unabated in my efforts to out them

And I promise not to start another stupid thread that destroys brain cells....for at least 3 days.

There's one for the Yamaha engineers lurking on the site: how much ring particulate by weight is there on average vs. block particulate by weight. Inquiring minds want to know.

Uhhh....if there is an engineer they have never come forward in the nearly two years this board has existed. And some folks are embarrased to have posts moved to NEPRT, let alone start one here.

Inquiring minds can want to know all they want, but are best satisfied by reading, reading, and reading some more. I suggest wading through the Technical Discussion thread. The ones that are least satisified are the ones with 15 posts that say Gimme! Gimme! Gimme!.

I can tell you confidently that nobody on this forum is going to know what a figure of weight particulate vs. block particulate is. You, my friend, are therefore tasked with figuring it out what that is, and reporting back.

Inquiring minds want to know what you find out.

 

[rocketdoc]

Andrew, how long are you planning on keeping your FJR? Might just want to try riding it the way you are going to ride it for a day or two. Do the oil change, use a stock filter and Yamaha Oil as recommended by Yamaha. Nice for those warranty questions they would ask you if you ever have a problem. Check the **** used oil, you will find some none ferrous debris, but mine was minimal. I rinsed my crankcase with a litre of fresh oil, ie. straight through with the drain plug out. Got nothing ugly. Put fresh Yamalube in. Did the same with the rearend. Filled 'er back up and then followed manufacturer's recommended until 10,000km and started using full synthetic and a Boesch oil filter. Bike is running perfectly. Four years down the road in July and currnetly 83,000km on the clock.

OK, you suckered me on this one, but my point is you don't have to anal about your oil, just regular in mileage and good quality filter.

 

[otrfjr]

Rocketdoc,

Thanks! What "flush" oil did you use? I was thinking of using the cheapest automotive oil I could find. Also was thinking of switching to synthetic at 4k mi. I switched to synthetic on my V-Max at 2k without any problems after doing only the 600 mi service. Also, have you switched to synthetic final gear oil? If so, when. I don't think there would be as much cause for concern there since one doesn't have to worry about blow-by.

Best,

Andrew, how long are you planning on keeping your FJR? Might just want to try riding it the way you are going to ride it for a day or two. Do the oil change, use a stock filter and Yamaha Oil as recommended by Yamaha. Nice for those warranty questions they would ask you if you ever have a problem. Check the **** used oil, you will find some none ferrous debris, but mine was minimal. I rinsed my crankcase with a litre of fresh oil, ie. straight through with the drain plug out. Got nothing ugly. Put fresh Yamalube in. Did the same with the rearend. Filled 'er back up and then followed manufacturer's recommended until 10,000km and started using full synthetic and a Boesch oil filter. Bike is running perfectly. Four years down the road in July and currnetly 83,000km on the clock.OK, you suckered me on this one, but my point is you don't have to anal about your oil, just regular in mileage and good quality filter.