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Me and a buddy are planning a summer trip to Alaska (Denali Park) from Oklahoma City.

Done a little research on the ride and roads to take there but am looking for some input.

Anyone ever been?

Anything specefic I need to be looking out for?

Any advice on what tires can get 8k miles on them (according to mapquest). Don't feel like doing a tire change in middle of trip.

 
I rode from Connecticut to Alaska 2 years ago. One of my concerns was having enough gasoline between stations. Not a problem at all. The 2 gallon gas can I was carrying was given away in Fairbanks. Whenever I was at 1/2 a tank or less I stopped at the next gas station.

The Alaska Highway was in pretty good shape when I rode it in the middle of July. Its still a tough road to do serious miles on. I found that 650 miles a day on it was all I wanted to do. After that it was too exhausting. I found I had to be 100% alert on it, ALL the time. Although they had marked all (most) of the repaired parts of the road with little flags it still is a major pucker coming 1/2 through a turn and seeing gravel spread before you. They use some sort of patch with a 'chip stone' covering for the repair of pot holes. It translates to loose gravel / sand.

As you probably already know there are a LOT of BIG animals in the neighborhood up there. I actualy rode through a herd of caribou that were just ambling along the road on two different occasions. My biggest thrill (that wasn't my thought at the time) was coming upon 2 grizzlies in the road in a deep fog in the Yukon Terr. btw that morning when I hit the road it was 38 degrees. . . nipplier thatn I thought it would be in July.

The amount of 'daylight' riding is pretty awesome. In the Fairbanks area it didn't get dark until 11 PM or so and was (muddy) light at 3 AM.

I liked Denali. I would NOT take the freakin 12 hour bus tour again. Something 1/2 as long would have been fine. You can only ride into the park a few miles then its either a bus tour or hiking. In the three days I was there I never saw the top of the mtn due to the clouds.

Bottom line - its the ride of lifetime. I am hoping to do it again, perhaps in '09. I did it in 18 days (~10.5K miles). If I do it again I want to spend 30 days or so - enough to satisfy my other hobby, photography.

Enjoy the Ride!

 
Sorry, did not do the research if this is the right place (truly) or not..

But I'm all in for a 'Ride Alaska' plan.. Can't do it 2009, but 2010 is definite.

AdvRider.com is a great source.

So is Highlander...

 
Come on up - tonight it's going to be -50F in places, and colder by the weekend. We cut outdoor Barbies at -40F as the charcoal doesn't do the job as well. Be prepared for soup and sandwiches. If you get here you have a partner to help always, but you have to argue with the wife over warm garage rights. HNY all and will look for visitors starting in May.

Gary in Fairbanks

 
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Okie rider pm sent as well. But I rode up to Prince George BC a year ago and you need to ride the ice field parkway between lake louise and Jasper. The roads were better than what we have in Oklahoma. We were heading up the Cassasier highway to Alaska, but had to turn back due to death in the family of a guy I was ridding with.

 
My biggest thrill (that wasn't my thought at the time) was coming upon 2 grizzlies in the road in a deep fog in the Yukon Terr.
Is camping an option in B.C, Yukon, & Alaska? What about entering Canada with firearms? I've read that handguns are restricted, but not prohibited.

 
Joe2Lmaker: It's complicated, but you can bring firearms into Canada; just play by their rules! Going to work in Alaska by motorcycle twenty years ago I tranported a shotgun/rifle combo with me on my M/C by getting the proper transport forms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_Armory_M6_Scout This was a gift to me from my Grandfather Ed on my 35th B-Day. I guarantee that you would never kill a grizzly with an M6 Scout! Ha, ha: I just figured that the sound of a .410 slug followed by a .22 Long Rifle hollow point might at least baffle them as I was running away. I never once unsealed it from its case while in Canada over the six years I worked in Alaska.

Always camped going through British Columbia, Yukon and Alaska itself on my way to living in Pipefitters Work Man Camps.

Always stayed in established campgrounds where others were there, never just threw my sleeping bag down in the boonies.

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Firearm Users Visiting Canada

The Canada Border Services Agency is responsible for controlling items brought into Canada. However, here is some basic information if you wish to bring a firearm or other item regulated by the Firearms Act into Canada.

The Firearms Act is a federal law and applies all across the country. Provinces may have additional requirements, especially with respect to hunting.

You must be at least 18 years old to bring a firearm into Canada. If you are younger than 18, you may use a firearm in certain circumstances, but an adult must remain responsible for the firearm.

If you have been convicted of anything considered a criminal offence in Canada, including driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you will need to get approval of rehabilitation or a temporary immigration permit from Canada’s Minister of Citizenship and Immigration before you can enter Canada. Contact the nearest Canadian embassy or consulate for more information.

Classes of Firearms and Devices

There are three classes of firearms in Canada:

Non-restricted (most common rifles and shotguns): These may generally be imported for purposes such as hunting, protection from wild animals in remote wilderness areas where firearms are allowed, or target-shooting. They may also be taken in transit through Canada by a reasonably direct route.

Restricted: These are allowed for certain purposes, such as target shooting at an approved club or range, but they are not allowed for hunting or self-protection.

Prohibited: You cannot bring a prohibited firearm into Canada.

Some firearms are classified as restricted or prohibited under the Criminal Code based on their general characteristics (e.g. barrel length or calibre); other restricted and prohibited firearms are specified by name in Criminal Code Regulations.

Some large-capacity magazines are prohibited even if the firearms to which the magazines are attached are allowed. As a general rule, the maximum capacity is:

five cartridges for most magazines designed for a centre fire semi-automatic long gun; and

ten cartridges for most handgun magazines.

There is no maximum magazine capacity for other types of long guns, including semi-automatics that discharge only rim-fire ammunition.

Replica firearms, except for replicas of antique firearms, are prohibited and cannot be brought into Canada. Replica firearms are devices that look exactly or almost exactly like a real firearm but that cannot discharge a projectile or that can only discharge harmless projectiles. As a rule, to be prohibited, a device must closely resemble an existing make and model of firearm, not just a generic firearm. Many of these devices have to be assessed case by case.

Devices designed exclusively for signalling purposes (e.g. flare guns), and intended to be used solely for that purpose, are exempt from the requirements set out below.

Licensing and Registration Requirements

Firearm owner and users in Canada need a valid firearms licence allowing them to possess firearms and a Canadian registration certificate for each firearm in their possession. A licence issued under Canada’s Firearms Act is different from a provincial hunting licence.

As a non-resident, you have two options for meeting the Canadian licensing and registration requirements

Option 1

You can declare your firearms in writing, in triplicate, using the Non-Resident Firearm Declaration (form CAFC 909).

If you are bringing more than three firearms, attach a Non-Resident Firearm Declaration Continuation Sheet (form CAFC 910).

Please fill out the declaration form ahead of time to save time at the point of entry. However, wait until you arrive at the point of entry to sign the form because a customs officer must witness your signature.

Once the customs officer has confirmed your declaration, it will have the same effect as a licence for you and a temporary registration certificate for all the firearms you bring to Canada. It is valid for 60 days. You can renew your declaration at no additional fee, if you renew it before it expires, by contacting the CFO of the province or territory where you are staying. To renew it, call 1 800 731-4000.

A confirmed declaration costs a flat fee of $25, regardless of the number of firearms listed on it. It is only valid for the person who signs it and for those firearms listed on the declaration. If you come with others who will be using firearms in Canada, you will each need to meet these requirements.

Option 2

You can apply for a five-year Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL) and register your firearms in Canada. You must wait until you get your PAL before you register your firearms.

If you apply for a PAL, you must provide evidence that you have passed the written and practical tests for the Canadian Firearms Safety Course. If you wish to be licensed for restricted firearms, you must also have passed the tests for Canadian Restricted Firearms Safety Course. A course from your own country would not meet the requirements of Canadian law. You can take the tests without taking the courses.

Contact the Chief Firearms Officer (CFO) of the province where you will most likely be using the firearm for information on any other documents you need to provide from authorities in your country to assist with the background safety check.

Once you have your PAL, you can apply to register your firearms online for free or by submitting a paper application (CAFC 998). The firearms must be verified by an approved verifier before they are registered. Call 1-800-731-4000 (Canada and the U.S.) or 1-506-624-5380 (outside Canada and the U.S.) for help to verify your firearms.

If you have a valid licence and registration certificate, you will not have to complete the Non-Resident Firearm Declaration and pay a fee. However, you will still have to make an oral declaration to the customs officer.

For Firearms Borrowed in Canada

You do not need a licence if you remain under the direct and immediate supervision of a licensed adult (aged 18 or older).

Otherwise, you need one of the following:

a valid PAL (see above), or

a valid Temporary Firearms Borrowing Licence (for Non-residents) (form 715).

Please note, a confirmed Non-Resident Firearms Declaration does not currently permit you to borrow firearms in Canada.

A temporary borrowing licence will only allow you to borrow non-restricted firearms, and only for one of the following purposes:

hunting under the supervision of an outfitter or other person authorized to organize hunting services in Canada;

hunting with a Canadian resident who has the proper firearms licence and hunting licence;

competing in a shooting competition;

target shooting at an approved shooting club or range;

taking part in an historical re-enactment or display;

engaging in a business or scientific activity being carried on in a remote area where firearms are needed to control animal predators;

taking part in a parade, pageant or other similar event; or

using firearms for movie, television, video or theatrical productions or publishing activities.

Buying or Selling a Firearm in Canada

Firearms you import temporarily, using a confirmed Non-Resident Firearm Declaration, must be taken back out of Canada. If your firearms are registered in Canada, they may be transferred (sold or given) to a properly licensed business or individual by calling 1 800 731-4000. The firearm will be registered to the new owner during the transfer process that must take place whenever a firearm changes ownership. A CFO must approve all transfers of restricted firearms.

Duties and taxes may be payable on all firearms that you sell or give to someone in Canada. For more information, please contact the Canada Border Services Agency at 1 800 461-9999 (toll free within Canada) or (204) 983-3500 or (506) 636-5064 (long-distance charges apply).

To be able to acquire a firearm in Canada, you need a valid PAL or FAC. The firearm will be registered to you during the transfer process.

Buying or Importing Ammunition

A valid PAL, a confirmed Non-Resident Firearm Declaration or a Temporary Borrowing Licence (for Non-Residents) will allow you to buy ammunition in Canada. As well, you may bring limited amounts into Canada with you.

Natural Resources Canada (NRCAN) is responsible for regulating the import of ammunition under the Explosives Act. You may contact NRCAN for information on how much ammunition can be imported for personal use. For information on how much ammunition can be imported duty free, please contact the Canada Border Services Agency.

Storage, Display and Transportation

When you bring a firearm to Canada, you must comply with the Storage, Display, Transportation and Handling of Firearms by Individuals Regulations.

To be able to bring a restricted firearm to Canada in person, you will need to obtain an Authorization to Transport (ATT) from the CFO of the province where you will be entering Canada. If you have a valid PAL and registration certificate, you will be able to apply in advance. If you will be bringing the firearms with you and declaring them with a Non-Resident Firearm Declaration, you will need to wait until your declaration has been confirmed, before you call the CFO to request an ATT.

You can reach any of the CFOs Monday to Friday, from 9 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. local time, by calling 1 800 731-4000. Keep these hours of operation in mind when making your travel arrangements. If you are unable to arrange your arrival time to coincide with the CFO office hours of operation, you may wish to call the CFO in advance to see if you can make other arrangements to obtain an ATT.

Fees (in Canadian Funds)

A confirmed Non-Resident Firearm Declaration costs $25. This fee covers all the firearms listed on the declaration.

An initial PAL costs $60 for non-restricted firearms only, or $80 for any combination of restricted and non-restricted firearms. It is valid for five years. The fee to renew a PAL is waived until May 16, 2009.

A Temporary Firearms Borrowing Licence (for Non-Residents) costs $30.

There is no fee for an ATT.

There is no fee to register or transfer a firearm.

Information

For more information, contact us.

Application forms for non-resident firearms declarations and temporary borrowing licences may also be obtained from Canadian tourist offices, customs offices, gun clubs and outfitters.

For information on the declaration process, please call the Canada Border Services Agency at the following numbers:

Within Canada: 1 800 461-9999

Outside Canada: 1 204 983-3500 or 1 506 636-5064

For information or an application on approvals of rehabilitation or temporary immigration permits please contact the Canadian embassy or consulate in your country.

For information on the regulations on hunting migratory birds, please contact the Canadian Wildlife Services of Environment Canada by one of the following methods:

telephone: (819) 997-2800 or 1-800-668-6767

fax: (819) 953-2225

e-mail: [email protected]

web site: https://www.cws-scf.ec.gc.ca/publications/reg/index_e.cfm

For information on hunting other types of game, please contact the appropriate provincial or territorial authorities or refer to their web site.

For information on regulations pertaining to ammunition, please contact the Explosives Branch of Natural Resources Canada by one of the following methods:

telephone: (613) 995-8415

fax: (613) 995-0480

e-mail: [email protected]

web site: https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/mms/explosif/index.htm

This fact sheet is intended to provide general information only. For legal references, please refer to the Firearms Act and its regulations.

Provincial, territorial and municipal laws, regulations and policies may also apply.

Revised May 2008

Date Modified: 2008-12-03

 
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https://milepost.com/ OkieRider1255: This is still one of the best resources for riding Alaska. My copy is so old, tired and worn out (like me!) that I need to buy myself a new one; it is still so much fun to open it up and dream of riding to AK again!

Please do this antique Arizona Desert Rat a favor! Keep me informed when you and your buddy are going to ride to Alaska!

I've been reading the "Wabs" posts of Don Carver with interest; but, it appears that dcarver won't be going North until 2010.

I qualify for my Social Security on 10/28/10; but with current work at my company Metro Mechanical being so dismal in this horrible economy here in Phoenix, Arizona: I'm really considering an early retirement. May a Zonie ride up with you Okies?

 
Me and a buddy are planning a summer trip to Alaska (Denali Park) from Oklahoma City.Done a little research on the ride and roads to take there but am looking for some input.

Anyone ever been?

Anything specefic I need to be looking out for?

Any advice on what tires can get 8k miles on them (according to mapquest). Don't feel like doing a tire change in middle of trip.
https://www.themotorcycleshop.com You will be very surprised and truly amazed how fast your tires will wear out on the BC, AK and Yukon roads! Due to the nasty weather they are always under construction and their surface will eat up your skins.

When I worked in Alaska I was friends with Don who owned The Motorcycle Shop in Anchorage at 400 W. Potter Dr. 99518.

I'd call up ahead of my journey and preorder my tires; then have the new rubber put on either the H-D Electra-Glide or the BMW R80RT before heading back home. I believe his son Michael is now running the store [email protected]

 
Thanks for the firearm info.. I had no idea you could even apply to take a gun across the border.

Gettin some real good info from the jamminAK blog a few posts down.

Looks like this is going to be about a 3 week trip...

 
beemerdons,

Thanks for all of the info. There are quite a few nuggets in there that I haven't seen before, the flare gun exemption for example.

I actually like that one. The light and noise would make a more effective repellent than a pea shooter anyway. I've read that handguns are most effective during a bear attack when used to "shoot yourself with to prevent the pain from the mauling."

 
beemerdons,Thanks for all of the info. There are quite a few nuggets in there that I haven't seen before, the flare gun exemption for example.

I actually like that one. The light and noise would make a more effective repellent than a pea shooter anyway. I've read that handguns are most effective during a bear attack when used to "shoot yourself with to prevent the pain from the mauling."
I love to fish, particularly in Alaska; where I would be out by myself in the Wilds. I purchased a Dan Wesson .44 Magnum with the 8" barrel and had it shipped from The Gun Shop in the Lower 48 to my friend Larry who lived in Palmer, Alaska.

The Dan Wesson is a great handgun, it has interchangeable barrels; I bought/attached the 15" and it was my "grizzly gun".

It was never pointed at any bear, I was always fortunate to see them early enough to get away from them in plenty of time!

 
All of the provincial campgrounds we've stayed at through BC & Yukon have been outstanding. The fees are very reasonable - $7-$15 per site was about average - and included free firewood. Very handy on a bike! They were always beautiful & well maintained. Nicer (cleaner, prettier settings with better campsite views, better ammenities) than most government-run campgrounds in the US and nicer than even many private campgrounds we've been too. I find Canadian campgrounds to be a wonderful part of traveling up there.

 
I am NOT trying to start a hand gun thread, but throwing this out for thought. We have an office in Alaska and in bear country (most everywhere) they carry both a large bore weapon and the large meant-for-bears can of OC spray. The thing is about 10 ounces, so like a small can of spray paint. They prefer the OC and one guy said that they've never had to escalate to the guns after using it.

 
I am NOT trying to start a hand gun thread, but throwing this out for thought. We have an office in Alaska and in bear country (most everywhere) they carry both a large bore weapon and the large meant-for-bears can of OC spray. The thing is about 10 ounces, so like a small can of spray paint. They prefer the OC and one guy said that they've never had to escalate to the guns after using it.
https://milepost.com/index.php?option=com_c...&Itemid=292 I was going to respond to my friend Checkswrecks that you cannot transport OC spray across Canada, but that absolutely has indeed changed over the 20+ years since my "Alaska Days." If it is meant-for-bears Canada now does not have a problem with it. I'd go with the spray!

 
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https://www.dot.state.ak.us/amhs/index.shtml Doggone it, OkieRider1255: Now you have me daydreaming about an AK ride!

One way to get 8,000 miles of out your FJR tires is to consider using the Alaska Marine Highway for your return trip South.

I've used "Blue Canoes" three times and had a ball sailing along in the Inside Passage. You meet nice people on the ferries!

 
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