Riding in extreme heat

Yamaha FJR Motorcycle Forum

Help Support Yamaha FJR Motorcycle Forum:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.

Jagermeister

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 9, 2007
Messages
788
Reaction score
3
Location
Nashville TN
I pulled this from the CalSci site: Extreme Heat Article. Very informative site, BTW.

This article was taken from the LDRiders list, and was written by Tom Austin.

I spent a lot of time riding in REALLY hot weather a couple of weeks ago. On one leg of my trip, I rode for over six hours straight with temperatures in the vicinity of 115°F. Living in the Sacramento area, I frequently ride in ambient temperatures of approximately 100°F and I've ridden in temperatures as high as 113°F for shorter periods of time (e.g., crossing Death Valley). This week I learned that additional preparation is required for running at temperatures above 110°F for several hours. Several things that I experienced during the trip prompted to me to write this. Hopefully it will be useful to others.

Why Mesh Riding Suits Don't Work in Extreme Conditions

Human bodies exchange heat with their surroundings in four primary ways: convection, conduction, radiation, and evaporative cooling (from perspiration). When ambient temperatures are below the body's normal temperature of 98.6°F, all of these pathways can provide cooling. The higher the windspeed, the more cooling there is from convection. But when ambient temperatures rise above 98.6°F, only evaporative cooling can work. More importantly, too much wind becomes a bad thing. There is a limit to our body's perspiration rate and when the wind speed uses up all of the available perspiration, more wind increases convective HEATING. This is the opposite of "Wind Chill". I found an interesting article on this effect at:

https://www.zunis.org/at_least_theres_a_breeze.htm

What this means is that you do NOT want to maximize the wind against your skin when the temperature gets extreme. Mesh suits, or wearing just a lightweight shirt, are NOT the right approach. You will actually stay cooler with a conventional suit with the vents adjusted so there is a more moderate air flow across your skin.

You Have to Carry Much More Water to Ride in 110°F+ Temperatures

When temperatures are below 98.6°F, you may perspire less than 1 quart per day. But when the need for evaporative cooling kicks in, you perspiration rate can increase to 1.5 quarts PER HOUR. If you aren't drinking 1.5 quarts per hour under extreme conditions, you will start becoming dehydrated. Your perspiration rate will decrease, you will feel hotter, your heart rate will increase, and your judgement will start to become clouded. If you are a competitive endurance rider, you can probably go at least 300 miles without stopping. If you are averaging 75 mph, that's four hours. You may need to consume 6 quarts of water in that period of time when the temperature exceeds 110°F.

I carry an insulated 1-gallon cooler with a drinking tube attached when I know I will be riding long distances in hot weather. It was barely adequate for this trip because I deviated from my normal routine and purchased an extra bottle of water to drink during my fuel stops. On one leg, I made the mistake of starting with less than a full gallon and started experiencing the early signs of heat exhaustion. I felt much better after sitting in the shade for 10 minutes while consuming a full litre of bottled water.

Based on my personal experience and research, there is a world of difference between 100-105°F and 115°F in terms of how much water you need. A half quart per hour is more typical of what's required near 100°F. You might even be able to to run without water for several hours at about 100°F and make up the deficit by drinking at lot at your next fuel stop. But at 115°F, the level of dehydration you will be experiencing between fuel stops is excessive; you will definitely experience heat exhaustion and possibly heat stroke.

Why You Might Not Want to Be Wearing Shorts Under Your Riding Suit

Some popular bikes have "issues" with high levels of engine heat. My K1200GT makes the lower half of my legs warmer than on my K1200LT, but it's never been a problem for me, until this trip. Air passing through the radiator on both the LT and GT exits at the side of the fairing just in front of the rider's legs. On the LT, the hot air is blown far enough away from the bike that it does not impinge on the rider's legs. On the GT, the fairing is not quite as wide and you can feel heat from the radiator on your lower legs. The heat I feel on the GT is clearly less that the heat I've felt riding other bikes, such as the FJR1300. But on this trip, the heat became a problem. I rode for a long stretch with a slight crosswind which increased the amount of radiator discharge that impinged on my right leg. It got very uncomfortable. When I stopped for the night, I discovered that I had second degree burns on the back of my right calf:

https://www.sierraresearch.com/mc/burns.jpg

This wouldn't have happened if I had been wearing long pants under my Aerostich. Under identical conditions, I did not get burned wearing blue jeans under the riding suit.

This problem showed up for the first time because the radiator discharge temperature is directly related to the ambient temperature. Although engines run hotter in hot weather, they actually discharge about the same amount of heat energy into the radiator. That heat energy raises the temperature of the radiator discharge the same amount that it does at lower ambient temperatures. At 100°F, the radiator discharge might be 140°F and it might get knocked down to 110°F before it impinges your leg. It feels very warm, but it won't burn you. If the ambient is 15°F higher, you leg might be exposed to 125°F and you can eventually get burned if your leg isn't insultated from the radiator discharge.

According to data from the National Burn Center, the time at temperature to cause a second degree burn is as follows:

113°F 1.7 hours

122°F 2 minutes

131°F 11 seconds

140°F 2 seconds

The only thing protecting you from being burned when your bare skin is exposed to ambient temperature of 113°F or higher is evaporative cooling and the cooling of the skin surface by blood flow. To be protected from radiator discharge temperatures in excess of 113°F, you need INSULATION between your skin and the hot air stream. What I painfully discovered is that the insulation provided by an Aerostich suit is not enough.

 
Anytime I am on the bikes I have my 100 oz. camelback. On a typical summer time ride it is not uncommon for me to stop, get gas and fill up the water bag with another gallon of water.

Basic theory for me is, "if you are not peeing once an hr, you are not drinking enough water".

Don't know how the hardly guys do it. Must be tougher than me. :rolleyes:

 
Something doesn't seem quite right with his comment about mesh jackets in extreme heat. He seems to suggest that people wear either nothing or a t-shirt underneath. If that's the case, he's right, it's not very effective in cooling. But, a vented jacket won't do much cooling either if you wear nothing or a cotton t-shirt underneath.

Wind isn't a bad thing if the right undergarments are worn, i.e. something that wicks the moisture one layer away from skin. My understanding is that the outter layer holds the moisture, which causes the bottom layer -- next to the skin -- to produce the evaporative cooling effect he mentions.

 
Something doesn't seem quite right with his comment about mesh jackets in extreme heat. He seems to suggest that people wear either nothing or a t-shirt underneath. If that's the case, he's right, it's not very effective in cooling. But, a vented jacket won't do much cooling either if you wear nothing or a cotton t-shirt underneath.
Wind isn't a bad thing if the right undergarments are worn, i.e. something that wicks the moisture one layer away from skin. My understanding is that the outter layer holds the moisture, which causes the bottom layer -- next to the skin -- to produce the evaporative cooling effect he mentions.
The issue is too much wind on the skin above 98.6 causes you to dehydrate faster as the evaporation is too rapid, and you want to limit the air flow. The mesh allows too much air flow.

On the advise of several articles and a Dr who rides "alot", when we crossed the Nevada desert on Hwy 80 in July a couple of years ago, we wore a evaporative water vests under out leather jackets with an evaporative bandanna. We stopped approximately every hour to gas and more importantly water up. The bandanna was totally dry in about 45 minutes as was the collar area under the jacket. Based on thermometers where we stopped the temps where 110+ except when we were on the edge of a thunderstorm.

Other than getting strange looks when we stopped, we had a good time and was comfortable until we stopped and then the vests and jackets came off until we got the wet again....

 
The issue is too much wind on the skin above 98.6 causes you to dehydrate faster as the evaporation is too rapid, and you want to limit the air flow. The mesh allows too much air flow.
On the advise of several articles and a Dr who rides "alot", when we crossed the Nevada desert on Hwy 80 in July a couple of years ago, we wore a evaporative water vests under out leather jackets with an evaporative bandanna. We stopped approximately every hour to gas and more importantly water up. The bandanna was totally dry in about 45 minutes as was the collar area under the jacket. Based on thermometers where we stopped the temps where 110+ except when we were on the edge of a thunderstorm.
Pretty close.

One can still ride a mesh in the ultra hot and dry climate, however they need to go above and beyond on the cooling vest and hydration department.

I rode the '07 IBR with a mesh jacket, Mira Cool evaporative vest, and two half-gallon drink jugs with drink tubes. Riding the dry west in August heat it was absolutely critical I keep the vest charged and drinking water available. Growing up and living hot desert I've learned how to keep above the curve on staying hydrated. That and the Miracool has a HUGE reserve of moisture compared to other vest so I only had to recharge once or twice a day.

Had I not been running the Miracool under the mesh...and only a t-shirt...I would have been hard pressed to keep ahead of the curve. In my case I stayed cool and was able to ride longer.

This year I bailed on the mesh for an Aerostich Darien and already know I won't be quite as comfortable, but still wear the Miracool and will rely on the arm and back vents to get some air flow.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Thanks for the info!

Now I know I'm not crazy. When I rode out to Ca, I was wearing leather front/poly back Hareley riding pants, and my heavy leather Fox Creek jacket. Yeah, I wore Harley stuff on the FJR. <G> Up to about 95F riding in Utah and Nevada, I was quite comfortable with my jacket zipped up, face shield down, and gloves.

Once the temps got over 100F, I had to crack the face shield, and open the cooling zippers on the jacket. Was still hot, but bearable. I didn't drink as much as I should have, but rode two short days instead of one long day. I was wearing a long sleeved UnderArmor shirt, tho.

I have no idea how the guys wearing wife beaters and shorts do it. Saw more GWers than Harley riders doing that, which surprised me. I think they simply stop a lot. I'd be gassed up, pour a bottle of Gatoraide down my throat, have a bite or two, hit the bathroom, and be gone while they were still standing outside talking to their wives at the gas stations .

It would have been better if I wore a lighter weight leather jacket, but oh well, next trip.....

Most informative reading, thanks!

mary

 
Ignacio,

I totally agree with you. The phone rang and I forgot to add the the cooling gear needed to go under the mesh. I'm just about to get a mesh jacket and was sorta expecting that I would have to use the windbreaker liner to help manage the air flow depending on whcih mesh jacket I got.

Roy

The issue is too much wind on the skin above 98.6 causes you to dehydrate faster as the evaporation is too rapid, and you want to limit the air flow. The mesh allows too much air flow.<snip>
Pretty close.

One can still ride a mesh in the ultra hot and dry climate, however they need to go above and beyond on the cooling vest and hydration department.
 
Ignacio,I totally agree with you. The phone rang and I forgot to add the the cooling gear needed to go under the mesh. I'm just about to get a mesh jacket and was sorta expecting that I would have to use the windbreaker liner to help manage the air flow depending on whcih mesh jacket I got.

Roy

The issue is too much wind on the skin above 98.6 causes you to dehydrate faster as the evaporation is too rapid, and you want to limit the air flow. The mesh allows too much air flow.<snip>
Pretty close.

One can still ride a mesh in the ultra hot and dry climate, however they need to go above and beyond on the cooling vest and hydration department.
You guys didn't say anything fundamentally different from my point. It's not about the airflow externally so much as it is about a layer that holds a moisture barrier to assist the evaporative cooling process.

The article author suggested the mesh jacket was the problem because it allows too much airflow. That's a secondary problem in my view.

 
Top