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What are you kidding me! This sh*t's easy. I'm opening up a motorcycle diagnostic and repair shop toot sweet. Don, bring your bike up. You can be my first customer--no charge for my first opinion. You can't do better than that.
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I'll agree this thread demonstrates that you're a superb diagnostician (without equal on this forum, I'm sure), but I haven't seen anything about "repair" yet. Oh wait... you mean flipping that switch?
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A final little comment: On my YCC-S, you wouldn't have the option of coasting. You can't free the drive (can't pull the clutch, can't change into neutral without going down the box through 1st). That's one thing I try to keep out of my mind when riding.
Actually, I have had a similar situation on my AE and it WILL coast.... hit the kill switch. As soon as I switched it back to run, the bike fired right up.

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That's something I'll have to try. If you use the ignition switch to stop the engine, it remains in gear. Kill switch. Hmmmm ...

 
A final little comment: On my YCC-S, you wouldn't have the option of coasting. You can't free the drive (can't pull the clutch, can't change into neutral without going down the box through 1st). That's one thing I try to keep out of my mind when riding.
Actually, I have had a similar situation on my AE and it WILL coast.... hit the kill switch. As soon as I switched it back to run, the bike fired right up.

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That's something I'll have to try. If you use the ignition switch to stop the engine, it remains in gear. Kill switch. Hmmmm ...
I actually use the kill switch when parking the bike in my garage. I have a slight upslope to get in, so I put the bike in first and drive it in, and once I get past the lip of the garage floor, I kill the engine with the switch and coast the rest of the way in.

 
...I actually use the kill switch when parking the bike in my garage. I have a slight upslope to get in, so I put the bike in first and drive it in, and once I get past the lip of the garage floor, I kill the engine with the switch and coast the rest of the way in.
I've only been running YCC-S FJRs for nearly eight years. Never knew that. You learn something every day. Have to try it next time I'm out.

 
My habit is to kill the engine by putting the sidestand down and letting the bike reach the end of its travel if I'm on a slope. As a result, I have never experienced this drama in heavy traffic, or been surprised in any way at how the bike runs, or doesn't. I am a simple man and suggest a simple solution. The only time I have used the kill switch is when doing diagnostics and I don't want the engine to run.

Hans, are the cranes still in the swamp? I still fondly remember the triple B pre-ride with you and Mike. It seems so much better than the traffic you seem so fond of.

 
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JB,

One time, a long time ago, I was screwing with this Audi as we were getting onto the freeway. I was blowing his doors off and he was trying to keep up. As I got onto the freeway and moved to the left, suddenly, I lost all power. It took me a couple seconds, but sure enough, my kill switch was off. Somehow, I flipped it while changing gears, or something. I have never been able to reproduce hitting the switch without major effort, so I donno how I it that day. Like others, I seldom use the switch, and mostly turn off the bike with the key.

Maybe it was just a fluke. I have to say, the set up on the GenIII bikes is frigging cool, and I don't know why nobody thought of it sooner.

 
I always use the kill switch, every time. That's how I was taught to ride by the professionals. Should I get the sumbitch replaced?

P.S. It seems to me like I ought to start practicing killing and re-starting the bike while in motion. Just another skill to master.
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If your kill switch has crapped out chances are the rest of the bike is close behind. Better play it safe and just get a 2014 ES (or wait a couple of months for a 2015). You

don't want to take any chances when it comes to safety...
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JB,
One time, a long time ago, I was screwing with this Audi as we were getting onto the freeway. I was blowing his doors off and he was trying to keep up. As I got onto the freeway and moved to the left, suddenly, I lost all power. It took me a couple seconds, but sure enough, my kill switch was off. Somehow, I flipped it while changing gears, or something. I have never been able to reproduce hitting the switch without major effort, so I donno how I it that day. Like others, I seldom use the switch, and mostly turn off the bike with the key.

Maybe it was just a fluke. I have to say, the set up on the GenIII bikes is frigging cool, and I don't know why nobody thought of it sooner.
I like my theory less and less the more I read from folks who actually understand how motorcycles work. But your post gives me pause that maybe there's no deep underlying electrical issue that needs solving like others have said--it's just a weird fluke like what happened to you. But man, I haven't got my courage back yet: on the freeway I am very nervous now about making aggressive acceleration and lane-changing moves in attempts to behave like the gazelle among a herd of elephants, which is weird because the FJR is such a reliable machine that has never let me down. Had never.....
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(I am eerily reminded of John Ryan's accident on a freeway....)

 
(I am eerily reminded of John Ryan's accident on a freeway....)
John Ryan was a type 1 diabetic, would ride until fatigue would force him to pull over and I've always wonder how his motorcycle was able to hit the car with his rear tire in the direction he was going when he left his lane. I'm pretty sure the problem wasn't the RUN/STOP switch so you should be able to sleep at night again
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James is having a "crisis of confidence" or midlife crisis or something.... Having lived in and ridden in NorCal for many years (Most of them in a nice safe 80,000 lb semi truck. I basically agree with his assessment of relative risk. It is safer, per capita on a restricted access highway than on surface streets FOR motorcyclists! . JMHO. Cages, not so much...better protection and slower speeds, etc. My biggest fear riding the FJR is the left turner that "just didn't see that motorcycle.! (Same goes for intersections, stop lights/signs, etc.) Most of the fatalities her in Boise are on surface streets due to, you guessed it, someone pulling out in front of a MC at the last second, leaving the MC rider little or no opportunity to exercise his/her skills... That my friends is called "Russian roulette"! Now, having moved to the placid, calm backwater that is Boise, ID (I am a native.), I have made an amazing discovery! The drivers here are orders of magnitude worse than those I left behind in CA... The only thing they do here a little more is signal a turn or lane change. (But that isn't guaranteed by any stretch of the imagination.) However, they often change their mind and turn the opposite direction...or stop and think about it... Every red light is guaranteed to have at least 1 "runner"... Not crossing with a "hanging" yellow, but "Yeah man, I'm going anyway!" Couple this with an observable lack of awareness which is astounding even for "normal" drivers, makes it as dangerous as hell here for a motorcyclist. Everyone has a cell phone stuck in their ear or are texting. Since there are only two limited access highways, one is forced to use the surface streets. The major surface streets have a center turn lane for miles! (traffic from both directions use the same lane. Double Russian roulette chicken style.) BTW, Idaho is the state with the ninth WORST drivers...it's official.. CA is way down the list... My solution is; headlight modulators, brake light modulators, additional lighting on top case... I don't ride during rush hour. I take back roads which I am familiar with and know EVERY intersection, etc. Finally, I don't ride at night. So, since I am retired, I can choose what risks I wish to take and at what time of day to take them. 25 years of commercial driving has given me a "second sense" as to what the "cagers" are going to do, most of the time before they do.. I've slowed down.. I guard my space cushion; except, when I use cagers as blockers and for protection always leaving my self an out... Finally, when I do get "out of town", I don't hammer it anymore. I make sure I can see what's around the bend, rather the looking through the mountain for it. I get more than enough "adrenalin rush" in town. When I'm in the mountains I get more enjoyment out of...the mountains... I'm only going to ride for a few more years. I evaluate my status often. I think that is what James is doing now. The FJR is therapy for me now. The only way I can empty my mind and my concerns about my wife's terminal cancer. After she passes away I plan to tour the country, probably with an RV, pulling the FJR. Once that is done, I really don't care anymore... But, I do have a couple of things in MY bucket list and I want to do them before it is too late. Then, sitting on the porch watching the sunrise will be enough. That and the memories of my guardian angel of the last 54 years...My Kristy.

She will be waiting for me when I'm through. I will be looking forward to our reunion.

 
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James is having a "crisis of confidence" or midlife crisis or something.... Having lived in and ridden in NorCal for many years (Most of them in a nice safe 80,000 lb semi truck. I basically agree with his assessment of relative risk. It is safer, per capita on a restricted access highway than on surface streets FOR motorcyclists! . JMHO. Cages, not so much...better protection and slower speeds, etc. My biggest fear riding the FJR is the left turner that "just didn't see that motorcycle.! (Same goes for intersections, stop lights/signs, etc.) Most of the fatalities her in Boise are on surface streets due to, you guessed it, someone pulling out in front of a MC at the last second, leaving the MC rider little or no opportunity to exercise his/her skills... That my friends is called "Russian roulette"! Now, having moved to the placid, calm backwater that is Boise, ID (I am a native.), I have made an amazing discovery! The drivers here are orders of magnitude worse than those I left behind in CA... The only thing they do here a little more is signal a turn or lane change. (But that isn't guaranteed by any stretch of the imagination.) However, they often change their mind and turn the opposite direction...or stop and think about it... Every red light is guaranteed to have at least 1 "runner"... Not crossing with a "hanging" yellow, but "Yeah man, I'm going anyway!" Couple this with an observable lack of awareness which is astounding even for "normal" drivers, makes it as dangerous as hell here for a motorcyclist. Everyone has a cell phone stuck in their ear or are texting. Since there are only two limited access highways, one is forced to use the surface streets. The major surface streets have a center turn lane for miles! (traffic from both directions use the same lane. Double Russian roulette chicken style.) BTW, Idaho is the state with the ninth WORST drivers...it's official.. CA is way down the list... My solution is; headlight modulators, brake light modulators, additional lighting on top case... I don't ride during rush hour. I take back roads which I am familiar with and know EVERY intersection, etc. Finally, I don't ride at night. So, since I am retired, I can choose what risks I wish to take and at what time of day to take them. 25 years of commercial driving has given me a "second sense" as to what the "cagers" are going to do, most of the time before they do.. I've slowed down.. I guard my space cushion; except, when I use cagers as blockers and for protection always leaving my self an out... Finally, when I do get "out of town", I don't hammer it anymore. I make sure I can see what's around the bend, rather the looking through the mountain for it. I get more than enough "adrenalin rush" in town. When I'm in the mountains I get more enjoyment out of...the mountains... I'm only going to ride for a few more years. I evaluate my status often. I think that is what James is doing now. The FJR is therapy for me now. The only way I can empty my mind and my concerns about my wife's terminal cancer. After she passes away I plan to tour the country, probably with an RV, pulling the FJR. Once that is done, I really don't care anymore... But, I do have a couple of things in MY bucket list and I want to do them before it is too late. Then, sitting on the porch watching the sunrise will be enough. That and the memories of my guardian angel of the last 54 years...My Kristy.She will be waiting for me when I'm through. I will be looking forward to our reunion.
Thank you for that. JB

 
Thank you all for your advice. I'm going to take it in to my mechanic to have a professional check it out. Too important for me to poke around and try to figure it out.

 
The question about the YCC-S FJR coasting after using the kill switch was raised.

Took mine out today and tried using the kill switch. I can definitively say that the bike remains in gear until the revs drop below clutch-disengagement speed, after which it will coast. For a Gen II, this corresponds to about 24 mph in 5th or 9 mph in 1st. Not sure about the disenagement speed of my Gen III, but it's certainly in the same ball-park.

Mixing with 70mph traffic, seems like it would be a nasty thing to have to contend with. Riding into your garage, perfectly manageable.

Even at the 40mph on an empty road that I tried it at was unnerving, the feeling of lack of control as the bike slowed quite rapidly.

Moving the kill switch back to run, the engine started immediately so long as the clutch hadn't disengaged.

 
The question about the YCC-S FJR coasting after using the kill switch was raised.
Took mine out today and tried using the kill switch. I can definitively say that the bike remains in gear until the revs drop below clutch-disengagement speed, after which it will coast. For a Gen II, this corresponds to about 24 mph in 5th or 9 mph in 1st. Not sure about the disenagement speed of my Gen III, but it's certainly in the same ball-park.

Mixing with 70mph traffic, seems like it would be a nasty thing to have to contend with. Riding into your garage, perfectly manageable.

Even at the 40mph on an empty road that I tried it at was unnerving, the feeling of lack of control as the bike slowed quite rapidly.

Moving the kill switch back to run, the engine started immediately so long as the clutch hadn't disengaged.
I haven't quite sorted out all the comments in this thread about gear engagement or disengagement with kill switch, etc. But the comments cause me to try to recall the sequence of events I experienced. I would have been going 70(ish), left hand off the clutch, right hand twisting the throttle. Then suddenly no power. I don't recall if I pulled in the clutch. I believe I was just furiously checking my mirrors while twisting the throttle trying to figure out if I had any power at all. It didn't occur to me at the time that I just needed to re-start the bike, so I coasted to a stop up against the left concrete divider. Then I figured I'd try to start it. Anyway, now I want to experiment with turning off the kill switch at speed and seeing what that feels like, and how to recover.

When you say "the engine started immediately," does it turn over because the engine is turning over already, or you still had to hit the start button with the clutch pulled in, etc....?

 
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...When you say "the engine started immediately," does it turn over because the engine is turning over already, or you still had to hit the start button with the clutch pulled in, etc....?
It started because the engine was already turning over. Using the starter motor would only have been relevant after the clutch had disengaged, in my case when the speed had dropped sufficiently, in yours if you pulled the clutch lever.
If you do the test I think you will find little drama when you put the kill switch to run. You're unlikely to have a lot of throttle on (your hand is fiddling with the switch). Because you're off throttle, all you'll notice is the engine noise (if that), until you wind up the throttle again with a huge sense of relief.

 
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