Scary

[jackplanet514]

A co-worker of mine was on vacation in Jackson Hole and witnessed this "accident".

This kind of driver "Nathaniel Hubbs" scares me the most, a texting drug addict in an SUV.

R.I.P. Martin Lewis Burbey.

JP.

 

[Sagebrush]

Very sad, I know what I would do with the dope head and all those like him.

 

[johnny80s]

Bad news all around.

 

[Toecutter]

I'm unfamiliar with the charge "Vehicular homicide". It should be used much more, IMHO. 20 years sounds like a good start for those who don't properly control their two-ton pavement missiles....

 

[eeksnake]

Sad. Just f'n sad.

Still related but on a different note. From the article...

Hubbs’ airbags went off and he was not hurt. Investigators recovered data from the airbag control module that showed Hubbs’ speed slowly increasing in the 5 seconds before impact and did not show any application of the brakes.

Guess I should get out of my cave more often. I didn't know Yukon's had "black boxes" on board.

 

[LDRydr]

This just sucks on so many levels. I was in Jackson on the FJR just a couple of weeks ago. To think that you could die this way, just sitting at a light, is beyond comprehension. I hope the perp rots in jail.

 

[ShinyPartsUp]

Unfortunately, prescription drug addiction is now the number 1 addiction problem in the US.

Disturbing story. I have to say I am now with RenoJohn. Too much emphasis on death and motorcycles lately for me on the forum. I am taking a sabbatical from these threads. Hijack over.

 

[Warchild]

Holy ******* ****.....! :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink:

Authorities found methocarbamol, a muscle relaxant; diazepam, which is better known by its brand-name Valium; hydrocodone, a painkiller; and Cymbalta, an antidepressant, in Hubbs’ car. Hydrocodone, diazepam and methocarbamol can cause drowsiness, lightheadedness and dizziness, according to WebMD.com.

This oxygen thief is nothing but a flippin' *********.... :angry2:

 

[rickysnickers]

Sad. Just f'n sad.
Still related but on a different note. From the article...

Hubbs’ airbags went off and he was not hurt. Investigators recovered data from the airbag control module that showed Hubbs’ speed slowly increasing in the 5 seconds before impact and did not show any application of the brakes.

Guess I should get out of my cave more often. I didn't know Yukon's had "black boxes" on board.

Yep, all new cars have them. They are hooked into the PCM/ECM, somehow. They record speed, braking, whether or not a seatbelt was being worn (or at least hooked up to the buckle), and several other things. I don't know when exactly they started installing them, but it's been a while.

Rick

 

[madmike2]

R.I.P: Martin Lewis Burbey

Unfortunately, prescription drug addiction is now the number 1 addiction problem in the US.
Disturbing story. I have to say I am now with RenoJohn. Too much emphasis on death and motorcycles lately for me on the forum. I am taking a sabbatical from these threads. Hijack over.

Are you also going to take a sabbatical from riding your motorcycles? Or do you just intend to be a naive victim and let your survivors wonder?

While I don't relish reading about those who die while enjoying the passion we all share (motorcycle riding), these types of post help to keep me vigilant when stopped at any signal or controlled intersection. I'm wary that those approaching from any direction may not be in control of their faculties for a variety of reasons (drugs, youth, emotional problems, cell phone call or texting). These posts are reminders for me to trust NOBODY when it comes to my safety and goal to safely arrive home to my loved ones!

YMMV

 

[jackplanet514]

R.I.P: Martin Lewis Burbey

Unfortunately, prescription drug addiction is now the number 1 addiction problem in the US.
Disturbing story. I have to say I am now with RenoJohn. Too much emphasis on death and motorcycles lately for me on the forum. I am taking a sabbatical from these threads. Hijack over.

Are you also going to take a sabbatical from riding your motorcycles? Or do you just intend to be a naive victim and let your survivors wonder?

While I don't relish reading about those who die while enjoying the passion we all share (motorcycle riding), these types of post help to keep me vigilant when stopped at any signal or controlled intersection. I'm wary that those approaching from any direction may not be in control of their faculties for a variety of reasons (drugs, youth, emotional problems, cell phone call or texting). These posts are reminders for me to trust NOBODY when it comes to my safety and goal to safely arrive home to my loved ones!

YMMV

Well said madmike.

I didn't know Martin Lewis Burbey, never heard the name until I read the article, but for some reason this one seems a bit more personal, I don't know if it's because I rode that exact road a month ago or if it's having my co-worker describe the details of the accident as she witnessed the entire thing.

I'm not really comfortable repeating everything she told me, but two things I'll share.

She mentioned that his helmet came off when he was struck, and that it wasn't a full face type (I don't want to start a helmet debate or anything, considering either way an SUV hitting you at 35mph = not good), I just found it interesting because the article mentions that he was wearing a helmet. I know they keep stats on helmet/no-helmet stuff, but is there any consideration as to which type of helmet.

And, she also mentioned that there was another motorcyclist there that got right up in the SUV drivers face yelling "why were you looking down, why were you looking down, you should have been looking at me". I'm not sure why I find that worth noting, other than, I think I'm proud of the other motorcyclist for standing up for a fellow rider, and in a way making a statement about how preventable these types of things are, like just pay attention while driving, it's that simple.

JP

 

[Bounce]

Legal possession of any or all of those items should be a non-issue as long as they are used according to recommended dosages. It's the careless operation of the vehicle (regardless of any contributing, tangential issues) that should remain the focus of everyone's outrage. To be pissed at the driver or list all the stuff that was found in the car (or actually take conviction-altering actions based on same) is a distraction from the root issue that continues to place everyone at risk: THE CARELESS OPERATION OF A VEHICLE. For far too long those outside of the motorcycle community appear to have embraced the opinion that our deaths are somehow justified simply because of our choice of transportation. Drivers mowing down riders seem to always get a pass. Why is this case so much worse simply because of the presence of prescription drugs when the outcome was the same as dozens others?

Remain outraged but also remain focused.

 

[BwanaDik]

Legal possession of any or all of those items should be a non-issue as long as they are used according to recommended dosages. It's the careless operation of the vehicle (regardless of any contributing, tangential issues) that should remain the focus of everyone's outrage. To be pissed at the driver or list all the stuff that was found in the car (or actually take conviction-altering actions based on same) is a distraction from the root issue that continues to place everyone at risk: THE CARELESS OPERATION OF A VEHICLE. For far too long those outside of the motorcycle community appear to have embraced the opinion that our deaths are somehow justified simply because of our choice of transportation. Drivers mowing down riders seem to always get a pass. Why is this case so much worse simply because of the presence of prescription drugs when the outcome was the same as dozens others?
Remain outraged but also remain focused.

Good point. Same outcome could have happened if the driver was on their cell phone or was turned around banging on the kids in the back seat. Wish we had more driver's ed in this country, including attitude discussions

 

[Silver Penguin]

Very sad news. Condolences to the family of the deceased. I hope the legal system takes care of this thoughtless, selfish person.

And while I do respect RJ's opinion, I agree with MM2 that reading the bad with the good, keeps it real. Let us all savor the joy of motorcycling. Let's read the ride reports and drool over the beautiful pictures. Let's share with each other why we keep doing this. But at the same time, we can never lose sight of the dangers we face. Every single day, I read something about Tyler (which is 99% great news, by the way and all very positive) but reminds me what happened to our friend.

Be careful out there my friends, they're out to get you!

 

[old&slow]

Legal possession of any or all of those items should be a non-issue as long as they are used according to recommended dosages. It's the careless operation of the vehicle (regardless of any contributing, tangential issues) that should remain the focus of everyone's outrage. To be pissed at the driver or list all the stuff that was found in the car (or actually take conviction-altering actions based on same) is a distraction from the root issue that continues to place everyone at risk: THE CARELESS OPERATION OF A VEHICLE. For far too long those outside of the motorcycle community appear to have embraced the opinion that our deaths are somehow justified simply because of our choice of transportation. Drivers mowing down riders seem to always get a pass. Why is this case so much worse simply because of the presence of prescription drugs when the outcome was the same as dozens others?
Remain outraged but also remain focused.

Good point. Same outcome could have happened if the driver was on their cell phone or was turned around banging on the kids in the back seat. Wish we had more driver's ed in this country, including attitude discussions

+10

 

[High Desert Rider]

Sad news to hear.

 

[08FJR4ME]

"Hubbs told Reilly(State Cop) he was texting and playing with his stereo before the crash"

How often do I see this!!!! :angry: :angry: :angry:

I had to pass on a double yellow last week because the car in front of me was driving eratic. As i passed She was looking down and texting. I don't think she even knew I was there till I was in front of her and maybe not even then. she didn't even look up as I passed.

Dam these people piss me off.

Very SAD but I am afraid it will happen more often. "THIS SUCKS"

 

[wfooshee]

Legal possession of any or all of those items should be a non-issue as long as they are used according to recommended dosages. It's the careless operation of the vehicle (regardless of any contributing, tangential issues) that should remain the focus of everyone's outrage. To be pissed at the driver or list all the stuff that was found in the car (or actually take conviction-altering actions based on same) is a distraction from the root issue that continues to place everyone at risk: THE CARELESS OPERATION OF A VEHICLE. For far too long those outside of the motorcycle community appear to have embraced the opinion that our deaths are somehow justified simply because of our choice of transportation. Drivers mowing down riders seem to always get a pass. Why is this case so much worse simply because of the presence of prescription drugs when the outcome was the same as dozens others?
Remain outraged but also remain focused.

Legal use of the prescriptions would be a non-issue, but that is not the case here. They'd been filled the day before the accident, but were nearly empty, with "40 pills" missing. He was eating them like candy. He's a junkie on drugs, and killed a man, probably without even knowing it.

 

[Stephen]

Or he was selling the drugs. Did they think of that?