Second Bike, need advice, farkles, etc...

[rhody]

I did a search and came up empty so I am hoping that at least 1 active member has recently bought the BMW 1000 RR to discuss.

I began the search for the best deal on said bike recently. Knowing what a gold mine of info the FJR forum is and wanted to tap into that

if anyone out there has one.

Main items of interest: price, what options were you able to get, (I want a loaded one), and what things if any did you do for comfort, safety, etc...

Things I most likely will be adding:

case savers

heli bars

custom seat

rearsets

replacement windshield

spools for jack standing the bike

jack stand

I know this beast is a handful, having ridden a friends 04 R1, which has about 30 less hp, but the weight and features, are attractive enough for me to consider

it. An easy smooth hand with all controls will ensure my continued survival, but it is nice to know that underneath, instead fierce acceleration stopping power is

there to tap if and when needed. To me, it is the ultimate sleeper (not from looks which is obvious, but from performance).

Hopefully someone out there will have one and be able to provide feedback.

As always, in advance, thanks...

Rhody...

I still have my 05 FJR ABS, don't plan to get rid of it, it is like a trusted rmember of the family now.

 

[not2shabby]

Try checking here https://www.s1000rrforum.com/

Last week I saw one for sale in Columbus Ohio's Craigslist. It had the DTC, race ABS and the quickshift. Only about 500 miles and it had an Akropovic slip on. I think he was asking 13.5k.

https://columbus.craigslist.org/mcy/1925584526.html Here ya go. Sounds like a good deal to me, and it's not that crappy green color!

 

[beemerdons]

https://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php?s...=128979&hl= rhody, send a Private Message to DingusKhan, my neighbor over in Deming, New Mexico; he loves his BMW S1000RR!!!

 

[rhody]

not2shabby,

Thanks, I will check out the Ohio deal, it is the color I want, but am

waiting for the stars to align so to speak as to the funds, could happen anytime soon.

Waiting for a house to close. Sounds like a good deal.

beemerdons,

I will PM DingusKhan as suggested, rider impressions mean more to me than magazine articles anyway.

Thanks guys...

Rhody... B)

 

[not2shabby]

No problem, I'm just surprised it was still there when I went back to find the link!

 

[Warpdrv]

Since you said you wanted "Advice" I would suggest that you are aware of this gear box issue that is currently going on with the S1000RR.

I am very interested in this bike myself but after stumbling onto this thread I'm hesitant to buy one until things are sorted out properly by BMW, or just start looking at other products.... BMW is denying any problems though there are a good amount of documented failures. I just think its fair for one to know about stuff like this before investing that kind of money.

https://www.s1000rrforum.com/forum/maintena...drain-plug.html

Pictures like this scare the hell out of me - and I have owned alot of machines over the years...

That is just not right, and its not just from 1 oil change but many....

One of the many pics from owners over there...

Seeing as I don't own this bike, maybe DingusKahn can offer his thoughts, I know he loves his RR.

 

[rhody]

Since you said you wanted "Advice" I would suggest that you are aware of this gear box issue that is currently going on with the S1000RR.
I am very interested in this bike myself but after stumbling onto this thread I'm hesitant to buy one until things are sorted out properly by BMW, or just start looking at other products.... BMW is denying any problems though there are a good amount of documented failures. I just think its fair for one to know about stuff like this before investing that kind of money.

https://www.s1000rrforum.com/forum/maintena...drain-plug.html

Pictures like this scare the hell out of me - and I have owned alot of machines over the years...

That is just not right, and its not just from 1 oil change but many....

One of the many pics from owners over there...

Seeing as I don't own this bike, maybe DingusKahn can offer his thoughts, I know he loves his RR.

Warpdrv,

That amount of metal on a drain plug would give me reason for pause as well. That being said, we bought a MB C230 Sedan in late 05, and it became painfully obvious that the tranny was bad around 22K miles. The stealer pulled it, and it was only half filled with fluid (factory seal was still on it) and there were lots of filings in it as well. They replaced it under warranty, and said it was a fluke, but for a 30K plus car, I doubt it.

I wonder how many guys who never missed a shift had this much debris on the drain plug. I was told in changing my daughter's 2010 Civic to synthetic oil at 1000 miles was not wise, again my the stealer. They said the breakin additive didn't have time to fully do it's job, but I switched to 5W20 full synthetic.

Is it the same with a new bike ? Or it the change much earlier because the oil must protect the tranny/clutch as well ?

This issue is not a deal breaker for me.

What would be is a sudden throttle response with miniscule throttle changes, this is plain scary in medium/fast corners and where linear response from smooth input is important, especially with the monster that lurks underneath that motor.

In comparison, I routinely run the FJR from 6 - 9K in 2nd, 3rd gears, shifting up and down seemlessly in corners, even midcorner at apex, just for practice. The bike is rock stable. That is because the throttle is not twitchy at all. A twitchy throttle is my main concern with that much power available. I drove an 04 R1 (friend's) and was scared in corner entries at 6 - 8K, the thing would lurch with the least movement of your hand, sometimes just from hitting bumps. Not good. Second, in 2nd, 3rd gear about 6K the bike's front would flutter then wheelie at the drop of a hat, whereas on the FJR, you could plain hammer it. I know almost 150 lbs lighter, but it takes thought, practice, and precision to a much finer level of detail with the BMW. The front gets light on the FJR in first gear and a wee bit in second, but nothing like an R1 and I am sure the BMW.

BTW, I use about 1/2 a bottle of STP in the FJR at every change and the tranny continues to shift like butter.

Rhody...

 

[Warpdrv]

I agree with you 100% on all stated....

Just wanted to give a heads up if you haven't seen that and were considering buying.... Its nice to have a boatload of knowledge on a new product on the market.... Something that before the internet was hard to come by and you'd be flying by the seat of your pants knowing the dealer would never tell someone about things like that.

Gen 2 BMW is coming out and maybe they have addressed this issue, but if not, the scary thing is the dangerous aspect it could have on a rider is def something to be aware of if it locks up and tosses you.....

Good Luck my friend - they are beautiful bikes to be certain - def drew my eye to it....

 

[DingusKahn]

Well I haven't seen a PM, but I found this today.

First off, NO twitchy throttle, NO shavings on the drain plug (OK a couple of TINY pieces like almost any oil change on any vehicle.) The only problem I have is waiting for my buddies to catch up. :yahoo:

This thing is FAST. It will hit 180 so dang easy it isn't even funny. I just LOVE riding the S1000RR. In fact I logged on to the FJRForum tonight to look at selling the FJR. Other than riding it into town to wash it, I haven't had the FJR on the road since last year.

Besides that and the S1000 I also have a BMW R1200GSA that I picked up last December. Last month I took it on one of the best bike trips I have even been on. I had a nice 5 day trip to Colorado and did a little bit of dual sport riding. It was great. But the S1000 is my favorite. I'm 54 yrs young and this is the first sports bike I have ever owned - or ridden. My son has an 09 Yamaha R1 with slip-ons, tuner, & intake. My S1000 is stock. My son rode it this last Saturday and when he came back home with wide eyes he said "Your bike is a lot faster than mine." Yep.

I have shift assist and Dynamic Traction control. I ride and have from day one with the setting in "Race" mode. You just get used to the very responsive throttle. I guess if I ever got caught in the rain I would switch it to rain mode. The thing will wheelie for a fraction of a second before the traction control brings it down (sometimes slamming my privates into the tank. :dribble: ) I'm not a stunt rider and know I never will be. I just don't want to hurt myself or the bike by doing nosies or big wheelies. I'm also not a track racer, but I can hold my own on the highway, as some of my fellow FJR guys from SWFOG last year may confirm. (wish I could make it this year :angry: )

Yea, I like the S1000RR a lot. My only regret is I didn't get the red, white and blue color. I have the Thunder Gray.

DK

 

[rhody]

Well I haven't seen a PM, but I found this today.I'm 54 yrs young and this is the first sports bike I have ever owned - or ridden. My son has an 09 Yamaha R1 with slip-ons, tuner, & intake. My S1000 is stock. My son rode it this last Saturday and when he came back home with wide eyes he said "Your bike is a lot faster than mine." Yep.

I have shift assist and Dynamic Traction control. I ride and have from day one with the setting in "Race" mode. You just get used to the very responsive throttle. I guess if I ever got caught in the rain I would switch it to rain mode. The thing will wheelie for a fraction of a second before the traction control brings it down (sometimes slamming my privates into the tank. :dribble: ) I'm not a stunt rider and know I never will be. I just don't want to hurt myself or the bike by doing nosies or big wheelies. I'm also not a track racer, but I can hold my own on the highway, as some of my fellow FJR guys from SWFOG last year may confirm. (wish I could make it this year :angry: )

Yea, I like the S1000RR a lot. My only regret is I didn't get the red, white and blue color. I have the Thunder Gray.

DK

DK,

Kudo's to everything you said, funny too, you being 54 and myself one year your senior. Same scenario too, never owned a Sportbike (always felt they were too uncomfortable). Another weird coincidence, I have a friend with an 04 R1 and we swapped bikes, he on my FJR, me on his R1, and I being careful with the throttle immediately see how easy it is to get the front light, skimming over the road, or with more throttle to wheelie.

I am glad you are getting to enjoy yourself, have a bit of fun, and still be safe. My goal is similar in nature.

Here is a review that gives some interesting perspectives on the Beemer's different modes: BMW 1000RR Review

I wish you many years of safe riding, who knows, maybe you will take her to a race school (I live in Rhode Island), there is Penguin Racing in new Hampshire. Then maybe to a track (for a fee) for some fun.

I will keep your advice about getting jammed against the tank in mind as well.

Thanks again.

I watched a number of "uncorked" quarter mile runs online and in second and third gear, the front is off the ground most of the time. I have one question though, I am looking for a HP, RPM and speed through the gears chart and haven't been able to find one. A link would be kindly appreciated.

Stay safe and have fun...

P.S. Sounds like you need to "hide the keys from your son, lol"

P.P.S. Last thing, our posts counts are almost the same, even though I joined in 06. Guess I am not a post whore, then, hehe. This forum is great which I am sure you have found out by now, lots of knowledgeable friendly folks lurking here. Now if I could find something as good for the BMW. I highly doubt it though, this place has too much history.

Rhody...

 

[rhody]

Thought you might like these two short review's, found them pretty good.

<a href="https://www.raptorsandrockets.com/Reviews/2010_bmw_s_1000_rr.htm" target="_blank">https://www.raptorsandrockets.com/Reviews/2...w_s_1000_rr.htm</a>

<a href="https://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/2010_BMW_S1000RR_Motorcycle_Review" target="_blank">https://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/2010_B...torcycle_Review</a>

Rhody...

 

[rhody]

Found a HP, RPM and speed chart, still need speed through gears chart and haven't been able to find one.

Anyone ?

Tried out a 2010 new BMW 1000RR loaded on Saturday, drove almost 200 miles to do so, long day.

Ran the bike in sport mode, first impressions... not as much mid range as the 04 R1, but that had to do with the

map I was in. Bike was neutered by BMW for the first (nnn, someone please fill that figure for me please) miles to 9000 rpm, peak torque doesn't arrive till around 11,000, peak HP not too much after that. The bike is high off the ground 31.5 inches. Coming to a stop with a 29.5 inseam is a bit of a pain, literally and figuratively. I am told racer Ben Spies tried to grind the pegs and could not at the track, needless to say, the only way it will grind the pegs is when you low or high side it.

Brakes, lets just say they are the eyeball popping type, brembo's, not even monoblocks, capable of generating -.8g of deceleration, combine that with acceleration capable of .8g's and you get to experience eye balls out followed by eye balls in, quite nice. No squirming under hard decel either. Controls were loose for my taste, I like throttle, brakes with no slop in them. One thing I did note over bumpy roads where the front/rear tires were not spinning the same speed, they Dynamic Traction Control (DTC) burped a few times over bumps. Nothing bothersome, but you know it is working.

To be honest, I wish I had ridden a broken in one, the neutered one just did didn't do it for me, not for almost traveling 200 miles to see and ride it. The used black one I wanted to buy has a deposit, but if the deal falls through, I may be able to purchase that one.

In any event, I am in no big hurry, I am going to wait till I find slightly used one, black, loaded, the difference in price is about 1500 - 2000$ less. I definately need a set of heli bars on the thing too, because more than an hour on it and my neck and fingers were starting to bother me.

The looks were fine, and up close the attention to detail is amazing, the fairing is between 2.0 to 2.5 mm thick to save weight or to add strenght in stress areas. The way the bike appears to be put together is impressive. If I do get one, it will mean a trailer for two bikes, to take to the "Twisty Zones" in the mountains. Driving there for 3 or 4 hours would be brutal on a super slab.

Rhody...

 

[rhody]

Just got Oct 2010 Sport Rider where the selected sport bike of the year and low and behold they include a maximum speed in gears and thrust chart on page 36. I scanned it and selected just that portion of the chart for your review. You can see that of all five bikes, the BMW has the most uniform spread from 2nd gear through 6th. You will notice that the roll on's and 1/4 mile times are a bit better on the BMW. This has to do with the fact that the Beemers torque stays high from around 10K - 12K rpm and horsepower does not peak till 13K at about 175 rear wheel hp. Nice. The sport rider folks the Aprila RSV4 factory by .5 points, but it is almost 6 grand more than the BMW, dollar for dollar the BMW more than holds it's own. It will be interesting to see how the Big 4 respond to this bike in 2011.

I can see from viewing the thrust chart (top right) how the BMW would live with the front wheel in the air from 70 mph (1st gear), again at 90 mph, (2nd gear), and about 110 mph (3rd gear). The torque curve is so high for so long that it would be impossible (with DTC off) not to. For myself it is much easier to learn the "feel" of a bike when everything, hp/torque is linear with no large dips or rises. The lack of torque (which I love) is apparent in the 6 - 8K rpm range, right where I normally ride the FJR, which is the exact opposite at those revs, she cranks out about 90 Ft/pounds where as the BMW is fairly flat, but climbing. One can see that when the fun really starts it is linear, torque peak first around 70+ ft/lbs around 9 - 11K rpms, then followed by the peak HP hit around 13K rpms, a frozen smoothie that will hurt your brain if you don't have these charts "mapped into your brain". Most good riders know these charts by heart and use what is allowable based on speed and gear they are in. I can tell from looking at these four charts that smoothness in throttle and brake controls will be rewarded even more handsomely than on the FJR. Things seem to be happening about 50% faster, but with practice, i am sure that little by little you can become comfortable with the power and torque on tap because it is so linear and lasts for so long.

One thing I think will be weird however is that the acceleration and deceleration + .8G's and -.8G's will take some getting used to. I know the FJR does not come anywhere near the stopping power of this bike. Again, however with practice I think one could have fun with the eyeball's in followed by the eyeball's out under hard deceleration, with enough practice. Under hard deceleration, (my suspension set fairly stiff front/rear) the bike starts to squirm a bit left and right as if hunting from more traction.

the two times I tried the BMW's front brake hard, nothing but pure straight line (no squirm deceleration) it took some getting used to.

At the end of the day, it is all about mapping in your brain what the BMW offers, versus the FJR, 200 lbs heavier and a whole different beast.

I have a deposit on a black one (with grey tank swing arm) from a local stealership, and plan to add about 1K of add-ons for comfort, safety, etc...

They tell me it will be about 2 weeks (on ship from Germany), too bad Haulin Ashe (Hi Jeff) wasn't in the neighborhood, he is more than welcome to take her for as long as his neck and wrists can take it. I envy DingusKahn as well, he has many choices to ride twisties at a spirited pace where he lives. RI plain sucks for about 3/4 of the size of this postage stamp state. That's why I am considering a two bike (enclosed trailer). You arrive refreshed, have a fun ride, then log the bikes in the trailer for the ride back.

One last comment, I don't think switching modes and playing with ABS and DTC settings is good for your health, (with exception of rain mode). I plan to use one mode and become 110% familiar with it before trying something more aggressive. Valentino Rossi often states that with the complexity of moto gp bikes (and now with that trickling down to sportbikes) it is impossible to know given any setting and track situation with 100% confidence what the bike will do, and this is coming from an 8 time world motogp champion. He prefers a bike with 100% everything all the time, says they are "more rude", but "more fun" to ride. I will leave that for him to deal with on the track. He is great fun to watch him overtake on fast corner entries (makes it look so damn easy, but it is so hard). Only decades of practice and setup, tire and track knowledge allow him to achieve this, mortals like myself are left to watch from the peanut gallery and wonder.

Rhody... :aggressive:

Edit: 7:30 added horsepower/torque charts, more description of performance...

 

[rhody]

Thought you might like a couple of links I found:



Enjoy...

Rhody...

P.S. Still waiting on bike, not sure it made it to port yet, all parts ordered.

Has anyone used the Sato Rearsets ? Pricey, but I am told they are worth it.

 

[rhody]

The edit period expired and I found the follow up video to Setup Part 1 and wanted to keep everything in one place.



Enjoy...

Rhody...

 

[rhody]

I was just playing around trying to figure out how far the pistons in this little bugger travel in miles at peak rpm 14,000 rpm

I got the engine specs here:

The stroke is 2 inches

5280 feet / mile * 12 inches per foot = 63360 inches per mile

14000 rpm / 60 seconds per minute = 233.33 revs per second * 2 inches per stroke = 466.66 inches per second

466.66 inches per second * 60 seconds = 27999.6 (rounded 28000 inches in one minute per piston)

28000 inches per minute per piston / 63360 inches per mile .44191 mile per piston that the piston has traveled assuming one minute at 14,000 rpm

28000 inches per piston * 4 pistons = 112000 inches for all four pistons / 12 inches per foot = 9333.33 feet total travel for 4 pistons, can you say wear fast / wear hard ?

Even at 7000 rpm that would be 9333.33 / 2 = 4666.66 feet again almost 80% of a mile at cruise, amazing...

And you wonder why race engines only last a few races before needing rebuild.

Rhody...

 

[rhody]

This video was posted in my last two posts as: Smooth Rider:

It is fairly short, about 11 minutes, just wanted to ask how you think the style of both riders, one sport, one racer match up.

Honestly I liked watching the first 5 minutes or so of the sport rider, smooth as silk, whereas McWilliams was ringing it's neck

and making it cry for mercy. In the last minute or so there is a head on shot of McWilliams topped out I believe in 6th gear

heading right to left down the straight on the track, you can see the pressure wave he makes before he hits the brakes hard and

bangs down to third before slamming it into a corner. I believe traction control was turned off as well because the bike was squirming under

the immense front braking load. Seemed like it only took 3 or 4 seconds on the video.

If you had you preference, who would you like to ride like ? I think the sport rider's style suits me more than McWilliams.

I think he would be tough on everything, brakes, clutch, tires, and suspension. I am sure if he was paying for his ride

he would tone down his antics.

Rhody...

 

[rhody]

I found these suspension tuning video's, enjoy...

Have you heard of suspension guru: Dave Moss ?



Rhody...

 

[rhody]

Rhody...