Shifting from 5th - 4th - 3rd - 2nd - 1st

[FJRJeff]

Just curious what the consensus opinion is...

If you're shifting through the gears from 5th to 1st, do you tell people you're upshifting or downshifting?

 

[twowheelnut]

I don't shift and tell.

 

[Ignacio]

Just curious what the consensus opinion is...
If you're shifting through the gears from 5th to 1st, do you tell people you're upshifting or downshifting?

If she's pretty and fresh, I always go down.

 

[sparky3008]

Just curious what the consensus opinion is...
If you're shifting through the gears from 5th to 1st, do you tell people you're upshifting or downshifting?

Step away from the drink, bike and computer.

My advice, don't talk to people

 

[FJRJeff]

Just curious what the consensus opinion is...

If you're shifting through the gears from 5th to 1st, do you tell people you're upshifting or downshifting?

Step away from the drink, bike and computer.

My advice, don't talk to people

<sigh>

I'm having a friendly disagreement with a friend of mine that just finished the class in Kalifornia.

They told him to perform engine braking, you upshift from 5th -> 1st.

In 20+ years of riding, I always called it downshifting, but if I'm mistaken, I'll put on the bicycle helmet and stay away from sharp objects while I count the Cheerios in my suction cup bowl...

I knew I'd eat **** for posting this either way.

 

[sparky3008]

Just curious what the consensus opinion is...

If you're shifting through the gears from 5th to 1st, do you tell people you're upshifting or downshifting?

Step away from the drink, bike and computer.

My advice, don't talk to people

<sigh>

I'm having a friendly disagreement with a friend of mine that just finished the class in Kalifornia.

They told him to perform engine braking, you upshift from 5th -> 1st.

In 20+ years of riding, I always called it downshifting, but if I'm mistaken, I'll put on the bicycle helmet and stay away from sharp objects while I count the Cheerios in my suction cup bowl...

Downshifting, Sorry but going from a high number to a "lower" number equals down in my book no matter how you look at it.

Those classes are awesome but some real life needs to be incorporated into it sometimes.

They tell you that slamming on the front brake will never result in it going out from under you either.

This is true if you are perfectly up and down and don't try to manuever at all. In the real world it almost never happens that way...

On many if not all race bikes aren't the shifts the opposite then ours? In this case they could be correct

I will even go one furthur and say that these classes are almost more geared to cruisers than sport bikes.

On a sport bike the rear locks up so easy that many almost don't use it at all. In these classes they teach and enforce use of both. Sport Bikes have so little weight to the rear that it almost becomes a danger.

Tell your friend to use the classes as a beginner starting point and recommend books and any advanced classes or even track days he/she can get.

They don't want you to brake in a turn but professional racers do/can but this is not recommended for us mortals...

 

[FJRocket]

Toes go down, gears go down. It's downshifting. Someone's been hittin' the crack pipe again. :dribble:

Don't forget that NEUTRAL is in there somewhere. That doesn't confuse the matter any does it?!? :dribble:

 

[Bounce]

They told him to perform engine braking, you upshift from 5th -> 1st.

And everyone wonders why California is so wierd. Do you count UP from 5 to 1 or is that counting down when they launch a rocket? It has nothing to do with the direction your foot moves, since car's up/down shift too (as do multi-geard bicycles, and suicide-clutched motorbikes).

 

[Woodstock]

They told him to perform engine braking, you upshift from 5th -> 1st.

And everyone wonders why California is so wierd. Do you count UP from 5 to 1 or is that counting down when they launch a rocket? It has nothing to do with the direction your foot moves, since car's up/down shift too (as do multi-geard bicycles, and suicide-clutched motorbikes).

In my car, I always say backward-shift to 2nd, then forward-shift to 3rd, etc. Doesn't everyone? :lol:

 

[madmike2]

They told him to perform engine braking, you upshift from 5th -> 1st.

And everyone wonders why California is so wierd. Do you count UP from 5 to 1 or is that counting down when they launch a rocket? It has nothing to do with the direction your foot moves, since car's up/down shift too (as do multi-geard bicycles, and suicide-clutched motorbikes).

In my car, I always say backward-shift to 2nd, then forward-shift to 3rd, etc. Doesn't everyone? :lol:

18-wheelers also shift up through the gears to obtain a higher speed with less rpms. They also downshift from "top gear" (18th, 15th, 13th, 10th, 9th or whatever) to 1st.

In some cars, if its a 3 speed on the column, you might shift up to 2nd and down to 3rd. Then to downshift (numerically) from 3rd to 2nd, you'd actuall have to shift "up". :wacko:

 

[SkooterG]

In some cars, if its a 3 speed on the column, you might shift up to 2nd and down to 3rd. Then to downshift (numerically) from 3rd to 2nd, you'd actuall have to shift "up". :wacko:

Ahhhh.........the old "three on a tree". The second car I ever owned was purchased when I was 19 years old. A '70 Chevelle 4-dr with a 350-2V, and the "three on a tree". Bought it for $325 in 1989 or so. Think it had 90,000 miles or so. Discounted $75 cause the tranny was going, and I had to go to a junkyard and get another one.

The linkage for the column shifting was all messed up too. Not sure what was wrong, but many a time when stopped at a light, I couldn't get it out of 3rd gear. Had to slip the clutch through the intersection, pull over, pop the hood, and jingle loose the mechanism. Talk about a PITA, AND the smell of fried clutch! Also, due to operator error, I can't tell you how many times when shifting from 1st to 2nd, I would try to put it in reverse. Boy that made some ugly sounds. Eventually bought a cheapo aftermarket Hurst floorshifter and converted it to that. Damn, I loved that POS.

Vehicles have come a long way since that crude example of a 4-wheeled conveyance. Of course they cost a hell of alot more and are a lot more difficult to work on too.

 

[FJRottie]

I count "down" to a "lower" gear, unless I drop a couple double barrel purples, then I float.

 

[twowheelnut]

Ahhhh.........the old "three on a tree". The second car I ever owned was purchased when I was 19 years old. A '70 Chevelle 4-dr with a 350-2V, and the "three on a tree". Bought it for $325 in 1989 or so. Think it had 90,000 miles or so. Discounted $75 cause the tranny was going, and I had to go to a junkyard and get another one.
The linkage for the column shifting was all messed up too. Not sure what was wrong, but many a time when stopped at a light, I couldn't get it out of 3rd gear. Had to slip the clutch through the intersection, pull over, pop the hood, and jingle loose the mechanism. Talk about a PITA, AND the smell of fried clutch! Also, due to operator error, I can't tell you how many times when shifting from 1st to 2nd, I would try to put it in reverse. Boy that made some ugly sounds. Eventually bought a cheapo aftermarket Hurst floorshifter and converted it to that. Damn, I loved that POS.

Vehicles have come a long way since that crude example of a 4-wheeled conveyance. Of course they cost a hell of alot more and are a lot more difficult to work on too.

Holeeee ****! Me too (mom's old car)! Just that mine had the straight six. 1st was toward you and down, 2nd was up back and up, 3rd was straight down from there. Reverse from neutral was back toward you and up. Clutch on that pig was a real *****, too. Don't know how mom drove that thing everyday.

Discounted $75 cause the tranny was going...

Why, skooter? Didju scare her or sumpin'?

And, back on topic: 5 to 4, 3, 2, n, 1 is down shifting. That instructor musta been from Texas. Things are really ****** up down there.

:****:

 

[panthercity]

If your buddy went to Keith Kode's Kalifornia Suberbike Skool, he probably learned that from the Dianetics manual...

 

[Rogue]

If your buddy went to Keith Kode's Kalifornia Suberbike Skool, he probably learned that from the Dianetics manual...

:to_become_senile: Yea, kieth Code obviously knows nothing about bikes!

Hey admins, is this now a religious thread? :blink: :blink: :blink:

 

[worldbound4now]

Down

 

[panthercity]

If your buddy went to Keith Kode's Kalifornia Suberbike Skool, he probably learned that from the Dianetics manual...

:to_become_senile: Yea, kieth Code obviously knows nothing about bikes!

Hey it works! Dianetics really does destroy the humor gene and cloud minds...

 

[jestal]

Shifting from 5 to 1 is down shifting. Never heard anyone call that upshifting before.

Similarily, if you replace the 2.74:1 final drive in your car with a 4.10:1 gearset did you put in a "lower" or "higher" gear?? I am still amazed by the confusion this causes with people calling it a higher gear (wrong) or people looking confused and saying "I thought you said it was a lower gear" (duhhh). The common sense gene concentration is slowly disappearing in the gene pool....

 

[sparky3008]

Shifting from 5 to 1 is down shifting. Never heard anyone call that upshifting before.
Similarily, if you replace the 2.74:1 final drive in your car with a 4.10:1 gearset did you put in a "lower" or "higher" gear?? I am still amazed by the confusion this causes with people calling it a higher gear (wrong) or people looking confused and saying "I thought you said it was a lower gear" (duhhh). The common sense gene concentration is slowly disappearing in the gene pool....

Yea but a little help on your part could really help them jestal.

I have known forever that it was lower but I just accepted it until I started doing the math for sprockets.

It was then that I started to understand.

16/42 = 2.625

15/42 = 2.8

Now I knew that going down one tooth in the front was a lower gearing but once I saw the actual ratio go up it made the example you gave so clear like a light bulb came on...