Street Rod And K1200r

[yanktar]

Has ANYBODY checked out either the Street Rod or the K1200R?

Harley has FINALLY built a bike I find interesting enough to investigate. When they came out with the V-Rod, I was intrigued, but it was too cruiser and appearance oriented for me to go further than admire the engine. Now they've put the engine into the Street Rod--kind of a big Naked and the Night Rod--less radically cruiser than the V-Rod. They put a 5 gal tank on the S-Rod too! With the Pukin' Chicken kit and a PC, it should boost ponies well into the 120's.

Then there's the K1200R--ANOTHER bike that has caught my eye. It might be the first bike I've seen I would consider giving up my FZ1 for, but not my FJR! A BEEMER that makes 140+ RWHP in a NAKED???? With electronic suspension, heated seats, grips and shaft drive? WOW!!!

In Motorcyclist's latest issue the K1200R whupped the Triumph and (sob!) the FZ1 in every power category--but I found the numbers funny...How did the FZ1 keep its 10.75 1/4 mile, get its hp up over 125, yet raise 0-60 from 2.8 seconds to 3.35 seconds???? How can that happen unless the OTHER numbers fall off?

 

[Getsum]

I was looking at the Harley Street Rod and I have a friend with a V Rod that I've ridden. I really like those Harleys and I'm a big fan of OCC but I just don't feel comfortable riding with my feet out in front of me.

So when I was shopping for a new bike I was looking for something sporty, good transportation, dependable and something with bags to carry my crap from A to B. That’s why I went with the FJR in the end, it was really a perfect match.

I also thought the Street Rod was overpriced at $15,495-17,400, but if I ever win the lotto and can afford a toy, I’d probably pick one up for cruising around.

 

[radman]

K1200R, best line I've seen concerning it was "looks like a magnet went through a junkyard" :lol:

 

[yanktar]

K1200R, best line I've seen concerning it was "looks like a magnet went through a junkyard" :lol:

Yeah, but it goes through that junkyard REALLY, REALLY FAST!

I'm not looking to change out the FJR. Not even looking to change the FZ1, really. Just looking at what and how they perform.

But they both ARE expensive...though the H-D has come down in price from the original V-Rod. H-D has figured out that the X-Rods are more popular in Europe than their garbage truck collection, so they are making them...

 

[FriscoJim]

If you like the new streetrod you should really take a Roadstar Warrior for a spin. It handles better than the Rod line and has better ergonomics for that type of riding. Plus the $$ you save you can dump it in the motor and for relatively little $$ you can really bump up the Warrior's performance. Mine is right at 88Hp and 98# torque at the wheel with HC pistons, cams, valve springs, Patrick Racing air kit, PC III and exhaust. My only complaint with the Warrior is that it's not set-up for long trips. That's why I have been waiting to see what the 06 FJR announcement will be before deciding if I want to sell it.

 

[yanktar]

If you like the new streetrod you should really take a Roadstar Warrior for a spin. It handles better than the Rod line and has better ergonomics for that type of riding. Plus the $$ you save you can dump it in the motor and for relatively little $$ you can really bump up the Warrior's performance. Mine is right at 88Hp and 98# torque at the wheel with HC pistons, cams, valve springs, Patrick Racing air kit, PC III and exhaust. My only complaint with the Warrior is that it's not set-up for long trips. That's why I have been waiting to see what the 06 FJR announcement will be before deciding if I want to sell it.

Lemme see...Stock the Warrior is 606 lbs dry, the StreetRod is 618. Warrior is OHV (push-rods), S-Rod is DOHC.

Modified, your warrior makes 85 HP, but STOCK, the S-Rod makes 110 HP. Looks like a 25HP deficit to me...

I didn't say I'm buying an S-Rod--the BMW K1200R looks like a LOT more bike for the same price--and there's NO WAY a Warrior keeps up with the Beemer--especially on its magnetic junk-yard trip! :lol:

 

[BobbyBlue]

Yeah, I'm intrigued by the new K-Bikes, but I think I'd rather check out a Buell than anything from the Gyna-Glide company, especially since they had to ask Porsche to do the engine...I like Porsche mind you its just seems kind of hypocritical for somebody who goes by the moniker "THE Motor Company" to ask from help from anybody...especially since Detroit is closer than Stuttgart !

Bobby

 

[Centerline]

If you like the new streetrod you should really take a Roadstar Warrior for a spin.  It handles better than the Rod line and has better ergonomics for that type of riding.  Plus the $$ you save you can dump it in the motor and for relatively little $$ you can really bump up the Warrior's performance.  Mine is right at 88Hp and 98# torque at the wheel with HC pistons, cams, valve springs, Patrick Racing air  kit, PC III and exhaust.  My only complaint with the Warrior is that it's not set-up for long trips.  That's why I have been waiting to see what the 06 FJR announcement will be before deciding if I want to sell it.

Lemme see...Stock the Warrior is 606 lbs dry, the StreetRod is 618. Warrior is OHV (push-rods), S-Rod is DOHC.

Modified, your warrior makes 85 HP, but STOCK, the S-Rod makes 110 HP. Looks like a 25HP deficit to me...

I didn't say I'm buying an S-Rod--the BMW K1200R looks like a LOT more bike for the same price--and there's NO WAY a Warrior keeps up with the Beemer--especially on its magnetic junk-yard trip! :lol:

I have gone riding with FriscoJim and his Warrior. The Warrior is FAST, it accelerates very quickly to 60 or 70 then trails off as it does not breath well at higher speeds. Where the Warrior shines is incredible stump-pulling, tire shredding TORQUE!! It comes out of corners like a scalded ape, and actually corners pretty well. From 0 to 30 mph, the Warrior is probably equal or BETTER accelerating than most modern bikes. It will wheelie, but is fairly resistant and hooks up very well.

 

[opt8low]

Yanktar,

Just get the new FZ1.....

Dana

 

[yanktar]

Yanktar,

Just get the new FZ1.....

Dana

Dana:

I'll bet you LOVE it! If you put in Ivan's Performance Products jet kit, you'll be AMAZED by it. And, if you live in a colder climate, like the NE, rather than California, the cold-weather starting and running will delight you!

Having ridden the K1200S (but not the K1200R), if I was going to spend THAT much money, I think I'd rather spend it on the K1200S or R than even on the Street Rod. The -S is just TOO Awesome--Realistically it has to have 145 hp at the rear wheel (they claim 168 at the shaft) and will pull you like, well, like a 'Busa that is not spot-on in its tuning--just smoother.

 

[Woodstock]

Go with the K12R.. :agent:

 

[sparky3008]

If you like the new streetrod you should really take a Roadstar Warrior for a spin.  It handles better than the Rod line and has better ergonomics for that type of riding.  Plus the $$ you save you can dump it in the motor and for relatively little $$ you can really bump up the Warrior's performance.  Mine is right at 88Hp and 98# torque at the wheel with HC pistons, cams, valve springs, Patrick Racing air  kit, PC III and exhaust.  My only complaint with the Warrior is that it's not set-up for long trips.  That's why I have been waiting to see what the 06 FJR announcement will be before deciding if I want to sell it.

Lemme see...Stock the Warrior is 606 lbs dry, the StreetRod is 618. Warrior is OHV (push-rods), S-Rod is DOHC.

Modified, your warrior makes 85 HP, but STOCK, the S-Rod makes 110 HP. Looks like a 25HP deficit to me...

I didn't say I'm buying an S-Rod--the BMW K1200R looks like a LOT more bike for the same price--and there's NO WAY a Warrior keeps up with the Beemer--especially on its magnetic junk-yard trip! :lol:

Sorry Yanktar but couldn't resist.

Do you know the horsepower and tq numbers for a yzf600r?

Off the top of my head the hp is in the 90's, you can check to be exact but is not the point here.

No with the 90 hp and the 110 of the S-Rod do you think that in anyway in real life they compare in performance. The yzf rpm's go up so fast into its hp&tq range and redlines at like 17 and so many other factors that hp numbers alone without the big picture of a motor don't mean squat.

The Warrior is a pretty bad bike. The motor is not current by any means but I would take it over the HD line anyday...

Here are some more numbers for ya.

VRod vs Warrior comparison.

Warrior Stock 70 hp 100 tq at 3500rpm

VRod Stock 110 hp 75 tq at 7000 rpm

Now in a head to head comparison in 2002 the VRod yes smoked the Warrior but as mentioned before you can see where with just a little money getting the hp up 15hp or so while also will raise tq can become a close competitor to the VRod. The Warrior also handled way better than the V. Now I know you are now talking about the street but coming from owning a VStar myself can tell you that there are so many after market parts for the warrior/Road Star motor from huge pistons, cams, and carbs to even blowers that guys have put on these bikes... Money saved vs the price of aftermarket parts for a warrior, no brainer...

 

[yanktar]

Hey, I'm just blowing smoke here! The 'Rod only interests me because H-D finally has a motor that is in the same league as the sportin' V-twins from Italy and KTM and Suzuki. The Street-Rod is only one that actually is interesting.

The Warrior is a pure yawn to me. Huge, flower-pot cylinders that STILL can't put out 100hp w/o lots of mods are beyond my comprehension.

Since I have an FJR with a PC and custom map, and an Ivan-jetted FZ1, there is only a little about the V-rod line to interest me, --and NOTHING about any push-rod V-twins to interest me at all. If you enjoy your Warrior, all is well and good.

OTOH, It's hard to look at the BMW K1200S and K1200R and not be interested...I'd take either of them over ANY H-D or cruiser ANYDAY!

 

[thegunslinger]

I had the opportunity to test ride the Victory Hammer and the HD Streetrod back to back in Sept. I wouldn't trade my Feejer for either of them.

The Hammer absolutley sucked. Vibes started about 3K and by 4K it was shakin a turd outta me. Great roll-on torque though, and six speed tranny.

The Street Rod was fun. Ran it up to one three oh, took an off ramp at double the posted speed (with some trepidation on entry) and it did alright. Brakes are fantastic. Mirrors are absolutely worthless unless you want to look at yourself. Ergos are just wrong.

The setup on both bikes was ah,,,,, shoddy. Hammer pulled hard to the right at any speed, even parking lot speed. (tension adjustment nuts were not equadistance on rear wheel) & the Harley had a almost a 1/4 turn of slop in the throttle grip.

No, I'm not a brand loyal person, but we have a superior machine in the FJR, especially in view of the price point spread.

Anyone thown a leg over the new Guzzi Breva yet?

 

[fretbender]

Has ANYBODY checked out either the Street Rod or the K1200R?

I just rode the K1200R yesterday. I like the looks of it much more in person than in any picture I've ever seen. . .the pics make it look so much bigger/longer than it really is. It was really pretty cool to get on the bike and ride it. . .no windshield, no cowling/fairing/whatever, the bike just seems to disappear once you're on the seat. I was surprised at how far forward I had to lean and much weight was on my hands (I'm 5'-10" tall), but almost *all* that weight was taken off by the wind once I got up to 55+mph. The windblast was pretty chilly, (hey, it's February in N. Idaho & no heated clothing) but it was much quieter and nicer not to get the buffeting from the windshield that happens with both the stock and larger Yamaha windshields. The heated grips are plenty warm with 2 settings. . .low & high. I found the low setting to be just a tad on the warm side and high was starting to make my palms sweaty.

The motor is plenty strong. . .my seat-o-the-pants dyno says noticeably stronger at the same rpm/gear selection in comparison to the FJR. Somewhere around 7k rpm in 2nd gear the K1200R just leaps ahead. . .a very cool sensation. . .and there's still another 4k rpm to get to redline from that point.

The chassis feels stiffer than the FJR. On the FJR if I shake the handlebars side to side while riding down the road, I can kind of feel a waving motion work its way from the front to the rear of the bike. Doing that shaking motion on the K1200R produced NO sensation that was similar. . .it just feels like one solid mass. I'm not sure if that's good or not. . .different to be sure. Almost numb in the corners compared to all the feedback you get on the FJR, but it always felt planted and solid.

As far as the ESA. . .I didn't really get a long enough ride to check out all the settings. I'll let somebody else weigh in on that issue.

In comparison to the FJR my pros & cons would be these.

PROS:

POWERFUL motor.

Lack of bodywork makes you feel like you're flying down the road on nothing and immersed in the environment.

Heated grips, linked ABS & SS lines being stock is value added (compared to my non-ABS '04)

CONS:

Poor gas mileage

Lack of bodywork leaves you immersed in the environment.

Mirrors give you great view of your elbows.

Styling

And you put your bags. . .where???

I'd put up pics, but I let my picturetrail account lapse. Sorry.

 

[fjr]

I test rode a K1200R today and pretty much agree with everything fretbender said about the bike. They had one in the showroom with hardbags on it. They aren't the typical touring bags and don't look very big but I don't think that would matter because wherever you are going you are going to get there very quickly. The bike just pulls incredibly hard right up to the cut out at redline. Wow! I have an R110R so am used to the open feeling of the bike and it didn't bother me. I rode my CBR600RR up to try it and it felt so insignificant when I got back on it.

I fooled with the ESA a bit, even switching settings in corners. I am very impressed. The bars did seem pretty far forward as fretbender said. The one I rode also had an Akrapovic(?sp) Carbon fiber pipe on it. Sounded like a Ferrari when you opened the throttle. It definitely has me thinking..... :hyper:

 

[Fencer]

I rode the K1200R this weekend at the Atlanta motorcycle show. A quicky to add to what has been said.

I don't think the seat would be comfy on a long ride. When looking for the foot break (its very small, if your unfamaliar with the bike you have to look with your foot of course) I kept bumping my shin on the Boxer cover.

Smooth fast acceleration. Klunked when shifting gears.

 

[charismaticmegafauna]

FJRFencer Posted on Mar 20 2006, 05:28 PM<snip>

I kept bumping my shin on the Boxer cover.

Did you ride an "R-bike" or a "K-bike"? If it was a K1200R, please explain reference to "Boxer cover". I'm just not getting a visual, here.........