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Warchild

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Many who use our GenI FJR's for application in the Endurance Riding arena know that our stators are subject to periodic failure due to sustained, severe-duty use. Going the ElectoSport route for replacement has pros and cons: while you'll gain a fair bit of amperage to run your electrical goodies, the price is that the stator has a somewhat abbreviated service life. Many ElectroSports typically need replacing again after something on the order of 40,000 miles (+/-, thereabouts).

So LD Riders should regard the stator as a "consumable item", to be replaced at some periodic interval... :lol:

This weekend, it was my turn.... my ElectroSport has lasted a rather lengthy 51,000 miles, most it it VERY severe-duty use (lots of aux HID lamp use, LOTS of Warm-n-Safe liner use), but the Datel has been sending the tell-tale alarm signs for the past 1000 miles now that the stator is approaching the end of its useful service life. The best the Datel readout displays is a measly 13.6v, even at high engines speeds of 5000 RPM, with NO electrical accessories running! If I throw only the Warm-N-Safe on at 50%, the Datel sinks to 13.2v... obviously not normal. With the Warm-n-Safe turned off, I throw the 4GHID Aux Lamps on, the Datel falls to 13.1v right away.

Suspected Diagnosis: crispy stator with marginal output.

So I yank the stator cover... and see exactly what the suspected diagnosis would suggest: a smoked stator... the insulation not quite yet burned through to expose any windings, but definitely smoked-check from sustained, severe-duty use:

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Close-up of smoked stator. By paying attention to the behavior of the Datel output over a wide range of conditions, I was able to detect the stator's pending demise get it replaced before the insulation actually melted away, exposing the windings and wreaking havoc:

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Now for the tedious task of cleaning off every trace of old gasket material off the face of the mating surfaces... :(

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New stator bolted into place, housing mating surface is clean and pristine, ready to install on the engine:

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New stator in place, engine is fired up, and stator cover checked for oil leaks.... thankfully, all is bone dry!

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Datel readout at idle, 1100 RPM, with HID headlamps running and bike in normal running mode. Perfect! With the 4GHID lamps lit up and the Warm-n-Safe liner set on 75%, the Datel drops to a healthy 13.6v, at normal engine speeds.

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EXCELLENT! I really put this maintenance action off waaaaaaay too long, as daughter Lauryn and I depart in 4 days to head to World Superbike Races in Salt Lake City. Don't like to do this level of invasive surgery this close to a cross-country run, but I need the extra watts to cross the mountains at night. We traditionally leave at midnight Thursday night.... gonna be cooooooold going over the Blues, but now I got amperage to keep me warm! B)

 
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Lauryn and I depart in 4 days to head to World Superbike Races in Salt Lake City.
This now explains a 30+ day countdown thing on a social site that I was somewhat fearful to query about. ;)

Good luck heading south. I'll be headed North to check out Earthen dams in the 56th parallel of British Columbia using my stock stator for the last 116K. Color me one of those that's pretty happy they way I went given the reliability factor....even though I may have to choose between photon coverage vs. body warmth.

 
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... using my stock stator for the last 116K. Color me one of those that's pretty happy they way I went given the reliability factor....even though I may have to choose between photon coverage vs. body warmth.
I've gone the stock stator route and just tried to keep my draw down by converting my headlight to HID and using a low load Widder vest. However, I've been jonesin' for more light in deer country. Six HID lights is going to require an upgrade to the charging system. Last I checked the ES was a lot less than a Gen II, though linked ABS would be nice :)

 
Good job catching it before a failure.

Cleaning off that gasket material is a PITA. I used a razor blade, exacto knife, some light sanding and my fingernails.

 
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Dale - I might have missed it somewhere in your post, but I assume you went back with a new stock stator, not a new ES. I have about 40,000 miles on my ES and I am watching the volt meter VERY CAREFULLY.

 
To piggie back on another excellent thread.

I have an electrosport stator (Gen 1) that is NIB waiting for a good home. Reasonable offers considered. Send PM only.

 
Nope, that's an ES he is putting back in. Boy is a glutton for punishment.
Have they improved the reliability of these things? That being said, I have not pushed mine with lights or heating gear too much, so maybe I'll get a longer life from mine than Warchild.

 
*******.

OMG! What have i done?
Well, since he'd fry the bike instantly with his lights and heated gear, why not fry it slowly with the extra output of the ES?

He does need the wattage, you know, and there's not a single other way to get it.

Well, I suppose one could mount a fistful of those bicycle wheel generators they use for lights, put about 30 or 40 of them wired in parallel.

 
Nope, that's an ES he is putting back in. Boy is a glutton for punishment.
Well, I can't really complain about a 51,000 mile lifespan on this last ElectroSport.... hey, it's a "consumable"... B)

Have they improved the reliability of these things?
It's not so much the "reliability" factor, as much as it is that fact that the Gen I system isn't really designed to handle a 590-watt upgraded stator... sorta like the way the PIAA Xtreme White bulbs are "overdriven": you get improved performance at the price of a long service life. The ES stator will provide an extra "usable" 60-70 watts, but if you are like me and go around using all that extra power constantly, you can expect the stator will need replacing at some point. But if you don't really tax the FJR's electrical system on a recurring basis, who knows, your ES stator could last the life of the bike.

 
Hmmmm. I have the impression that permanent magnet alternators (as used in almost all motorcycles) always run at full output. Unlike a car alternator, there is no field coil used to regulate the amount of power produced. On a motorcycle, it is a function of the Regulator/Rectifier to dump the excess current; generating a lot of heat in the process. So I wouldn't expect the amount of power used to have much effect on the life of the electrosport. On the other hand, running lots of accessories might make the R/R last longer...

Perhaps an actual EE will come along and make it all clear to us.

 
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