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Took my lad (15) to see an international footy game last night. Manchester United V Roma in the European Champions league quater final at Old Trafford. The game was exhibition stuff from Man U who won 7-1. An un-heard of score at that level. United had played the first leg at Roma 2 weeks ago and got beat 2-1. That meant that they had to win by 2 goals.

The news after the Italian leg was full of images of Italian police beating United fans, who had started trouble with the Roma fans. The beatings with sticks were shown on TV and appeared very excessive.

There are stories here that the Italian press financed some thugs to come here and make things right for what the United fans did there. Also to make some bad press for football here as well as Italy. How true that was I don't know but there certainly were TV cameras everywhere.

We were due to be at the ground at 5.45 for a meal as guests of Yellow Pages. the game was due to start at 7.45 We didn't make the meal as we had been traveling all day from Brands Hatch. When we eventually reached the suite, we were told that the rest of our party were stood outside the pre-arranged door at 5.45 and had to run for their lives as 100 or more Roma fans charged them. Had we been on time we would have been with them.

We got there just in time for the start of the game and were directed right around the stadium to avoid a huge mass of Roma fans contained by horse police at the front of the ground. After the game we waited for an hour to let the place empty, little did we know that the police had locked the Roma fans in after the game finished to let the Utd. fans disperse. They started to let them out at exactly the same time that we left. They were funneled down a gauntlet of police dogs, riot police and mounted police to their busses. We had to cut through them to get out. Whilst stood amidst the Roma fans we then had to make it plain to the dog handlers that we were English to be able to get through. It was then a 40 minute walk back to the car at 11pm. A nerve wracking evening. We won't be going again.

On the news this morning it is headlines. 22 Arrests, and scores of United fans cut but Roma fans who had torn alluminium beer cans in half and used them as slashing weapons. After we left it apparantly all started again and another riot ensued.

We were so lucky.

 
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Unfortunately, thats the image most Americans have of European and British soccer/football fans. Their passion for their team goes over the top alot of times, at the games.

Glad you weren't there in the "heat of battle" so to speak.

Glenn

 
Glad to hear that you made it OK. In the states it's the athletes doing the damage more often than not <_< , although I have vowed not to take my son to a RedSocks/Yankees game until is he much, much older. Like 30.

The part about the Italian press is really baffling to me, why do they care and why are they hiring thugs?

 
Glad to hear that you made it OK. In the states it's the athletes doing the damage more often than not <_< , although I have vowed not to take my son to a RedSocks/Yankees game until is he much, much older. Like 30.
The part about the Italian press is really baffling to me, why do they care and why are they hiring thugs?
Only what I read here. The Italians have developed a bad name of late for soccer violence. It happened again last week when Tottenham Hotspur played over there. It was the week after the United game and it made the same headlines. The theory is that they dont want to be the bad boys. The English fans have had the worst rep for a long time and they wanted to tip the emphasis back this way. Also an easy to create big news story. (All conjecture by our press I think).

The problem here was mostly in the 60's and 70's when it was news every week about soccer fans on the rampage somewhere in the country. It has largely died out on the domestic scene but has a habit of rearing its head when we go abroad.

 
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GO DEVILS. :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

 
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I read a book sometime back about a bloke who went undercover as a Manchester United supporter. The book is entitled "Among the Thugs", and the author is Bill Buford. It was around 1984. He relayed his first exposure to football at a train depot in Cardiff. An unscheduled train was approaching and those waiting were asked to "back up 10 feet from the edge of the platform". It was a hijacked train full of MU supporters and the description included broken windows, seats, drunken occupants, etc... this was common and expected. The police feared for their lives. Anyway, he got "in" with the hooligan supporters who basically went crazy at matches... drinking, major violence... totally out of control. It's a riveting book that is worth the read. I'm very glad to hear that this type of behavior is being reigned in. The quest and execution of violence surrounding these matches was astounding. Sometimes they would start a close-ranked "train" of supporters in the streets and kick the living **** out of supporters of the opponents. The ISBN is 0-679-74535-1.

 
Feejerr222,

I enjoyed watching the game on TV yesterday even if it was over after the first 18 minutes. They mentioned the violence but didn't really elaborate much. Pretty hairy experience with your son. Violence always spoils the game...... from fans or players.

I guess we are one American family that really loves the sport. Next to riding the FJR there's not much I'd rather do than see a good match.

I never played but all three of our children have played a lot. In fact one of our boys is currently working in Brazil for a German Sports Agency company.

The last thing we did before he left was take a 3 day ride together.

Will you take your "lad" to South Africa in 2010?

Rick

 
Too bad this stuff still happens, although infrequently now. I attended Liverpool games (way back in 70's) where spectator violence started in the grounds and extended into the streets after the game. Definitely NOT a sport to take a family to watch back then. My brother's tell me it's pretty well cleaned up now.

 
Glad you both escaped unharmed, I've seen enough of this when i was born and raised it that enviroment. I've been on both ends of the hooliganism, gave and received when I was a teenager. Amazing what a relocation and an education will do for your view of life !

For a pretty accurate view of the mindset of a football fan(atic ), rent the DVD Green Street Hooligans. It was pretty accurate on the lifestyle of the rabid football fan.

Really glad you escaped 222 !!!

 
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