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cougar8000

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I keep reading people posting that it is dangerous to ride behind slow rider. Can someone please educate the grass hopper what are they talking about. I had put over 100k very happy miles at various speeds with various groups and unless group is riding below speed limit I felt comfy regardless if we were going speed limit or flying at triple digit on the middle of nowhere. I never felt rider in front of me endangering my life.

How does a rider on front of you makes it dangerous if he is riding slower then you are????

 
The rider in the back can suffer from Ego Overload. Especially dangerous at high speeds! ;)

 
The problem is target fixation.

After a few turns, all you see is that big red brake light.

You wonder "What the hell?" "What are we stopping for?"

 
I keep reading people posting that it is dangerous to ride behind slow rider. Can someone please educate the grass hopper what are they talking about. I had put over 100k very happy miles at various speeds with various groups and unless group is riding below speed limit I felt comfy regardless if we were going speed limit or flying at triple digit on the middle of nowhere. I never felt rider in front of me endangering my life.
How does a rider on front of you makes it dangerous if he is riding slower then you are????
What posts have lead you to this conclusion?

 
I keep reading people posting that it is dangerous to ride behind slow rider. Can someone please educate the grass hopper what are they talking about. How does a rider on front of you makes it dangerous if he is riding slower then you are????
OK, I'll try: Motorcycle riding is more than a collection of dis-jointed mechanical moves. It's a dance, a ballet, a smooth-flowing chain of events where the previous is connected to the present and, even, future events. Slow riders don't get it. Riding slowly upsets the natural flow of events.

Along with tending to open the door for erratic decisions/movements.

Not all those who buy motorcycles should be out-there riding them. There is a certain level of skill required -- such as: "ride fast enough to require a lean." When these skills aren't evident the slow rider not only endangers themselves but (to some extent) can add risk to those around them.

I think I know where you're coming from -- If I'm in control of my situation -- how can following a slow rider be a problem to me?

Well, maybe you can successfully deal with it? Deal with: upsetting planning, concentration, the requisite smooth flow. Me, I'd rather not risk it and prefer to enjoy my time differently.

I think the 'slow-rider' issues go away with either acquired skills or attrition. Often the "ah-ha moment" arrives for slow riders when they (hopefully) have a riding experience where it all comes-together and they 'see-the-light'. Or, conversely, quit riding because they never really 'got it'.

There are still those in the motorcyling community who (usually seen riding in groups) block auto traffic -- by riding too slowly (probably nothing can be done about them?).

Also, "slow" (in and of itself) does not necessarily equal "safe". Speed is a 'relative' and 'adjustable' commodity and can be wonderfully exploited on a bike like the FJR. To unnecessarily harness/burden motorcycle-riding by arbitrary slow riding is....hell, I don't know?

If that's not the case (arbitrary decision) -- and, if the skill sets necessary (for 'proper' riding) just aren't present? -- well then, there may be a reason to cry "danger"?

 
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That's her story and she's stickin' to it.

All I know for sure is that my frickin' foot still hurts.

 
The problem is target fixation.
After a few turns, all you see is that big red brake light.

You wonder "What the hell?" "What are we stopping for?"
I agree with this. That flashing brake light in a corner that otherwise seems to pose NO reason for parking the bike there drives me nuts after a while. It keeps taking my eyes away from looking through the corner and back to that brake light with a certain sense of alarm that I've missed something.

It's not "SLOW" riding that's a problem, it's "ERRATIC" and poorly controlled riding. Accelerating on the straights to catch up and then getting on the brakes in the corners is typical of the condition. Riding slow but smooth (a slower "THE PACE") isn't a problem to me. I just don't want an unnecessary and continual distraction taking concentration away from what I know I need to do to ride safely and comfortably -- that is, to look beyond the bike in front of me to the road, only taking in the bike in front in a peripheral sense, like I do when my eyes scan back to the road surface for gravel or potholes before going back to the road unwinding in front of me. I'm also pretty intolerant of someone continually darting up close behind me and dropping back when we're in a tighter group -- I watch my mirrors, but I don't want to have to put half of my concentration there when that sort of thing invades my safe riding space.

 
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This is gonna sound egotistical, but here goes.

I never let a slow or newbie rider follow me. I follow them. Why? I KNOW I'm a better rider than they are. I don't want to get hit. I don't want to have to turn around to see if they're still there. I don't wanna have to worry.

Their brake lights don't even concern me. If I'm looking at their tail, I'm the one that's F'ing up.

 
This is gonna sound egotistical, but here goes.
I never let a slow or newbie rider follow me. I follow them. Why? I KNOW I'm a better rider than they are. I don't want to get hit. I don't want to have to turn around to see if they're still there. I don't wanna have to worry.

Their brake lights don't even concern me. If I'm looking at their tail, I'm the one that's F'ing up.
Andre,

I don't think you're being egotistical. I think it's a great philosophy!

In recent weeks, there have been several threads regarding group riding. I bet the patience and humility reflected in your philosophy actually fosters safer riding while also .... oh boy, the guys are going to love this next word ... "nurturing" newer riders. Let's face it, newer or slower riders don't necessarily love being left in the dust. Following them is probably a great idea.

 
............................................."and the meek shall inherit the earth"......

bom bom bom bam bom bom bom baom bom bom bom bom bom bom bom......

we've taken care of everything..............

 
OK, I'll try: Motorcycle riding is more than a collection of dis-jointed mechanical moves. It's a dance, a ballet, a smooth-flowing chain of events where the previous is connected to the present and, even, future events. Slow riders don't get it. Riding slowly upsets the natural flow of events.Along with tending to open the door for erratic decisions/movements.

Not all those who buy motorcycles should be out-there riding them. There is a certain level of skill required -- such as: "ride fast enough to require a lean." When these skills aren't evident the slow rider not only endangers themselves but (to some extent) can add risk to those around them.

I think I know where you're coming from -- If I'm in control of my situation -- how can following a slow rider be a problem to me?

Well, maybe you can successfully deal with it? Deal with: upsetting planning, concentration, the requisite smooth flow. Me, I'd rather not risk it and prefer to enjoy my time differently.

I think the 'slow-rider' issues go away with either acquired skills or attrition. Often the "ah-ha moment" arrives for slow riders when they (hopefully) have a riding experience where it all comes-together and they 'see-the-light'. Or, conversely, quit riding because they never really 'got it'.

There are still those in the motorcyling community who (usually seen riding in groups) block auto traffic -- by riding too slowly (probably nothing can be done about them?).

Also, "slow" (in and of itself) does not necessarily equal "safe". Speed is a 'relative' and 'adjustable' commodity and can be wonderfully exploited on a bike like the FJR. To unnecessarily harness/burden motorcycle-riding by arbitrary slow riding is....hell, I don't know?

If that's not the case (arbitrary decision) -- and, if the skill sets necessary (for 'proper' riding) just aren't present? -- well then, there may be a reason to cry "danger"?

Oh, I get it now. Slower riders just don't have the skills necessary to ride fast and, of course, riding fast is "proper" :rofl: I enjoy riding riding both fast AND slow, depending on the situation. That must make me, what, lucky?

Great job illustrating jwilly's point from post #2 :good:

 
This is gonna sound egotistical, but here goes.
I never let a slow or newbie rider follow me. I follow them. Why? I KNOW I'm a better rider than they are. I don't want to get hit. I don't want to have to turn around to see if they're still there. I don't wanna have to worry.

Their brake lights don't even concern me. If I'm looking at their tail, I'm the one that's F'ing up.
I also agree with this. I'd rather follow, give them plenty of room, and let them set the pace. If I lead, I spend too much time checking the mirrors to make sure they're still there, and I'm not concentrating on my ride. If they're really bad, erratic riders, I don't ride with them at all.

On the other hand, if I'm riding with someone who likes to ride faster than I do, I let them know up front that I'm not going to try to keep up and we'll pick a break spot where I'll catch up with them.

Bottom line: if they need to go slow, I'll follow and ride their ride; if they want to go faster than I do, I'll ride my ride.

 
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............................................."and the meek shall inherit the earth"......




bom bom bom bam bom bom bom baom bom bom bom bom bom bom bom......

we've taken care of everything..............
Don't stop there.....

Its one for all, all for one

We work together, common sons

Never need to wonder how or why

I think that's the way many look at riding, regardless of how fast or slow you are.

 
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