Yamaha FJ-09 Sport Tourer Update
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SkooterG
Purveyor of Crooked Facts
Nice scoop.
There was an article in last month's Cycle World about this same thing, and it has some photo "renditions" of what the FZ-09 might look like that are very similar to these "photographs".
Personally, I like it. Toss a couple of bags on there (photos look like there is some pannier hardware there already) and it would make a great little 1-up SPORTtouring bike on a similar tack as the old Triumph Sprints, Ducati ST series or Honda VFR800, but most likely even lighter and quicker than any of those.
Now if they can keep the price tag low like the FZ-09 they'll have a real winner.
Personally, I like it. Toss a couple of bags on there (photos look like there is some pannier hardware there already) and it would make a great little 1-up SPORTtouring bike on a similar tack as the old Triumph Sprints, Ducati ST series or Honda VFR800, but most likely even lighter and quicker than any of those.
Now if they can keep the price tag low like the FZ-09 they'll have a real winner.
Hotboot
Well-known member
I ordered a Versys with the Yamaha triple engine, that's it and I can't wait.
Think the one shown here looks better, maybe more realistic?
https://www.cycleworld.com/2014/09/01/2015-yamaha-mt-09x-adventure-touring-motorcycle-concept-illustration/
https://www.cycleworld.com/2014/09/01/2015-yamaha-mt-09x-adventure-touring-motorcycle-concept-illustration/
lnewlf
Well-known member
needs a belt dmmmt
Motorcyclist mag had an article with pics in their November issue.
i don't know why the yahoo article refers to it as an entry level bike.
Looks like it could be a very capable sports tourer.
Looks like a good competitor for the Ninja 1000.
i don't know why the yahoo article refers to it as an entry level bike.
Looks like it could be a very capable sports tourer.
Looks like a good competitor for the Ninja 1000.
iliveforcurves
Active member
Who wants to lube a chain every day on a road trip? Not me.
Then don't, because it is not needed.
Or if you are looking for a reason not to buy a bike with chain drive then don't do that.
But nobody needs to lube a chain every day. That is just silliness
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garyahouse
newbs need the forum
Hey Fred,
It's been a long time since I owned a bike that had a chain. How is it that the modern chain doesn't require much lube? Years ago, my bike had an automatic oiler. What a mess it made, but of course I put up with it figuring it would enable my chain to last longer. Can you shed some light on need to lube the chain of a bike like the FZ09?
Gary
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Agreed that the range needs to be adequate, but what if the 900cc engine gets 50 mpg? Then a 4.5 - 5 gallon tank would be more than adequate and have a smaller weight penalty to boot.
I'm not saying that it will get that kind of fuel mileage. I'm astounded at how poor most bikes' mileage is considering their small weight and low rolling resistance.
I recently made a post in another thread that I will copy & paste here.
You are right, chain oilers are a messy PITA. But they really are not needed on modern o-ring chains. Convincing some folks that this is the case isn't always easy, hence chain oilers are still bought and sold today. Empirical evidence shows they are not doing much except making a big mess. If I believed that I needed to use one, or religiously lube my chain at every rest stop, I would feel as negative about drive chains as some other folks seem to.
Here's a good analogy: Using a chain oiler, or lubing your drive chain religiously at every opportunity, is a lot like greasing the driveshaft splines on an FJR1300: It's not going to hurt anything, but it isn't really accomplishing much either.
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mcatrophy
Privileged to ride a 2018 FJR1300AS
I lubricated my 2001 Trophy's O-ring chain every few hundred miles from new, with a proper chain-specific lubricant.
The chain was totally knackered by the time I sold it at just about 18000 miles. On my last ride I had to stop and adjust its chain every 200 miles or so, it was stretching like crazy.
Vowed never to have a rear chain again.
YMMV.
The chain was totally knackered by the time I sold it at just about 18000 miles. On my last ride I had to stop and adjust its chain every 200 miles or so, it was stretching like crazy.
Vowed never to have a rear chain again.
YMMV.
lnewlf
Well-known member
Chain lube every 500 miles is usually adequate.
My FJ1200 would stretch chains and hook sprockets by 15000 miles--About $250 every other year or so.
Just put a new chain and sprockets on a friends Blackbird , I can hear the chain coming up behind me.
No more chains for me..
My FJ1200 would stretch chains and hook sprockets by 15000 miles--About $250 every other year or so.
Just put a new chain and sprockets on a friends Blackbird , I can hear the chain coming up behind me.
No more chains for me..
I get 15-20k miles out of chain and sprockets on my Vstrom and VFR, with minimal lube methods that I described above, which is very little effort
Do you have to replace them now and then? Yes.
Is it hard to replace a chain and sprocket set? No worse than changing a set of tires, IMO.
My damn FJRs keep wearing out tires every 8-9k miles, faster if I'm really having fun. Those tires cost more than a chain and sprocket set.
Lots of other (lighter) bikes get much better mileage out of the same tires. I would bet that the FJ-09 will get nearly twice the mileage out of a set of multi-compound ST tires (Michelin PR's, etc) than an FJR does. The savings in time and labor on tires alone could easily cover the added cost of chains and sprockets.
Not trying to talk anyone into having a chain driven bike that doesn't want one. Just saying that it really isn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things.
Do you have to replace them now and then? Yes.
Is it hard to replace a chain and sprocket set? No worse than changing a set of tires, IMO.
My damn FJRs keep wearing out tires every 8-9k miles, faster if I'm really having fun. Those tires cost more than a chain and sprocket set.
Lots of other (lighter) bikes get much better mileage out of the same tires. I would bet that the FJ-09 will get nearly twice the mileage out of a set of multi-compound ST tires (Michelin PR's, etc) than an FJR does. The savings in time and labor on tires alone could easily cover the added cost of chains and sprockets.
Not trying to talk anyone into having a chain driven bike that doesn't want one. Just saying that it really isn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things.
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Good post Fred.
It's usually easy to upgrade to a better chain when you replace the original because that's one place manufacturers tend to cut costs, The second chain then lasts longer than the first.
Chain drive also makes it easier to change your final drive ratio.
I like shaft drive too, but chain drive has it's points.
SkooterG
Purveyor of Crooked Facts
Uhhhb.... Fred? You didn't demo tinge FZ-09 did you? That thing eats rear tires. It may be light weight but that torquey motor sheds them. .
Thanks on a very informative post on chain maintenance.
Thanks on a very informative post on chain maintenance.
I'd ass-u-me that the FJ-09 will be slightly heavier and the engine somewhat de-tuned as a sport touring bike in comparison to the "hair on fire" FZ-09.
No, I could not bring myself to test ride the FZ-09. I'd spent too much money already that day.
No, I could not bring myself to test ride the FZ-09. I'd spent too much money already that day.
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