sapest
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Dropping oil pan to clean out bits of clutch material. 60k km, about 37k miles, are there any other bike maintenance items I should consider while do this?
Thx
-Steve
Thx
-Steve
Dropping oil pan - any other tasks?
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RossKean
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Why do you think this service is necessary? Never heard of anyone doing it before. Although you might have some sludge in the pan, its not hurting anything if it stays there. If it gets stirred up and circulated, the oil filter will take care of it.
TomInPA
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I'm glad a fellow Canadian asked this hoser WTF.
But if you do it Steve, we expect pictures.
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escapefjrtist
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Have you noticed any bits in the drained oil...if not, then why?
YMMV
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YMMV
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jmgrif
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It's Friday? Right? Maybe pull the tires and clean the inside of the rims! My first wife tried to pull the toilet tank away from the wall to clean behind it? Notice I said "first"! Merry Christmas!
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Pterodactyl
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I'm just thinking of all the possible bad things that could happen while performing a procedure that has little to no benefit.
bluesdog
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Just make sure you check that your Framitz valve is closed when you're all done, otherwise you'll be losing blinker fluid.
Always a good time to check the muffler bearing as well.
Always a good time to check the muffler bearing as well.
wfooshee
O, Woe is me!!
Bored or something????
Unless there were chunks of metal in the oil you drained at the last change, dropping the pan to clean it serves absolutely no useful function.
Two reasons to pull the pan:
1. Stripped drain bolt
2. Deeper work, like splitting the case.
If you ain't got one of these reasons, you got no need to pull the pan.
None at all.
Wait.... There is a third reason........ dropped a bolt into the crankcase while working on the clutch. Is that what you did and you're just trying to make up something plausible before asking how to do it?
Unless there were chunks of metal in the oil you drained at the last change, dropping the pan to clean it serves absolutely no useful function.
Two reasons to pull the pan:
1. Stripped drain bolt
2. Deeper work, like splitting the case.
If you ain't got one of these reasons, you got no need to pull the pan.
None at all.
Wait.... There is a third reason........ dropped a bolt into the crankcase while working on the clutch. Is that what you did and you're just trying to make up something plausible before asking how to do it?
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sapest
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( I should have known better than posting this on a Friday)
Short version of long story.
Clutch plates soaked in late summer.
Clutch action/feel seemed odd in the last weeks before bike went into storage.
Removed clutch cover and found the retaining spring had come loose and shredded the friction material off one plate.
There are bits of material in view, its not sludge.
Put the cover back on and put bike in storage. (Never pick up wrench when upset)
Asked around and a few have suggested that material in the pan may clog oil pickup.
Hence my original question.
Prudent or overly cautious?
When the oil is drained in the spring, even if there are no bits in the drained oil, I am not sure that means there are no bits left behind.
-Steve
Short version of long story.
Clutch plates soaked in late summer.
Clutch action/feel seemed odd in the last weeks before bike went into storage.
Removed clutch cover and found the retaining spring had come loose and shredded the friction material off one plate.
There are bits of material in view, its not sludge.
Put the cover back on and put bike in storage. (Never pick up wrench when upset)
Asked around and a few have suggested that material in the pan may clog oil pickup.
Hence my original question.
Prudent or overly cautious?
When the oil is drained in the spring, even if there are no bits in the drained oil, I am not sure that means there are no bits left behind.
-Steve
majicmaker
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Ahhhhh.... There's the story. Isn't it always better to come clean from the start? It's like a lying spouse. You know damn well that eventually you're going to get busted, especially here on this forum. Ok then, let's continue from here, Shall we? 
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MrZappo
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My heart says prudent. My brain says overly cautious ... Does this help ?
Any tech issue without a full explanation may result in a verbal ass slapping beyond reason on this forum ... Gotta learn that one
Happens to the best ... It is all based in love ...
Now seriously, (and since you explained it) , if it were me I would probably do what you are doing ... But that is because I am often inclined to listen to the voice in my head ... (It tells me about synthetic oil, platinum plugs, wax, tires and farkles) ... And I listen to her. She gets mad if I don't ...
Any tech issue without a full explanation may result in a verbal ass slapping beyond reason on this forum ... Gotta learn that one
Happens to the best ... It is all based in love ...
Now seriously, (and since you explained it) , if it were me I would probably do what you are doing ... But that is because I am often inclined to listen to the voice in my head ... (It tells me about synthetic oil, platinum plugs, wax, tires and farkles) ... And I listen to her. She gets mad if I don't ...
sapest
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How did it get there doesnt change the original question. Not hiding anything, thought the back story would just be boring.
Inside of rims already cleaned, every 10k.
Framtiz valve, do I need the blue dot one or the green dot?
Blinker fluid, running synthetic, is that the problem?
Muffler bearings, race-less on order from Holeshot.
I guess I may have found a fourth reason to drop the pan?
So - now two questions -
Should pan be dropped, so far two yes votes, & I think two no's but they may change their mind?
If so, what other maintenance items would be worth doing?
-Steve
Inside of rims already cleaned, every 10k.
Framtiz valve, do I need the blue dot one or the green dot?
Blinker fluid, running synthetic, is that the problem?
Muffler bearings, race-less on order from Holeshot.
I guess I may have found a fourth reason to drop the pan?
So - now two questions -
Should pan be dropped, so far two yes votes, & I think two no's but they may change their mind?
If so, what other maintenance items would be worth doing?
-Steve
escapefjrtist
Searching for Dry Roads
Now the original question makes a little more sense. If you've ridden the bike any distance, seems to me the clutch bits have already found their place in the pan. For starters, I'd drain the oil and see how many particles come out.
Knock on wood, I've never had to pull the pan off any of my FJRs yet.
--G
Knock on wood, I've never had to pull the pan off any of my FJRs yet.
--G
Niehart
Pie Smuggler
Escapfjrtist, the only oil pan we have seen removed is the one with the broken off handle stuck through it.
HotRodZilla
GOD BLESS AMERICA
Don't forget GalaxyBlue's oil pan that he punched a hole in. Haha...
Also, Sapest, I would probably drop my pan. I would be concerned about the pick-up also. A few hours of work, but probably worth it for peace of mind.
Also, Sapest, I would probably drop my pan. I would be concerned about the pick-up also. A few hours of work, but probably worth it for peace of mind.
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TomInPA
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Since you're dropping the headers anyway, have you ever done maintenance on the relay arm? It would be an easy time to get that unbolted without the exhaust in the way.
RaYzerman19
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You gotta do what lets you sleep at night........ just thinking out loud that most pans have a deeper baffled sump area that never really gets drained completely. Clutch particles may never really reach the pickup, or clog it. Who knows until you get in there....... not a terrible job is it? +1 on Tom's suggestion to do the pivot at the same time if you haven't already reversed the centerstand bolts.
Following up on RaY's post, you can (should?) do the math...
Total amount of oil = 5.18 Qts.
Amount drained (w/ filter change) = 4.23 Qts.
How much oil is left behind when you do a complete oil and filter change?
Spoiler alert! It's 0.95 Qts.
0.95 / 5.18 = 18.4% That's quite a significant amount.
If you decide not to drop the oil pan, at least do an oil change then start and run the engine for a while to fully circulate and mix the the new oil with the old and get it up to temp, and then drain and change it again with your normal oil. Doing a double oil change reduces the amount of old (potentially contaminated) original oil volume greatly.
18% of 18% = 3.4% or 0.17 Quarts (about 5 1/2 oz.).
If you are really anal you could change it a third time and be at 0.1%, or below 1 ounce of contaminated oil.
Just keep any "waste oil" from the early changes and use it in your lawnmower.
edit to add: I'm not sure how much of the 0.95 quarts is held in the sump vs distributed elsewhere in the engine. So you might want to do a double change even if you do opt to drop the pan.
Total amount of oil = 5.18 Qts.
Amount drained (w/ filter change) = 4.23 Qts.
How much oil is left behind when you do a complete oil and filter change?
Spoiler alert! It's 0.95 Qts.
0.95 / 5.18 = 18.4% That's quite a significant amount.
If you decide not to drop the oil pan, at least do an oil change then start and run the engine for a while to fully circulate and mix the the new oil with the old and get it up to temp, and then drain and change it again with your normal oil. Doing a double oil change reduces the amount of old (potentially contaminated) original oil volume greatly.
18% of 18% = 3.4% or 0.17 Quarts (about 5 1/2 oz.).
If you are really anal you could change it a third time and be at 0.1%, or below 1 ounce of contaminated oil.
Just keep any "waste oil" from the early changes and use it in your lawnmower.
edit to add: I'm not sure how much of the 0.95 quarts is held in the sump vs distributed elsewhere in the engine. So you might want to do a double change even if you do opt to drop the pan.
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