05FJR..07FJR..08C14 and 60 degrees of Sun =

Hello to all,

Just got back from an AWESOME ride around these parts!! I met up with a good Friend, who has the 08C14, and a new Friend from the Forum here(Gramps). We got a chance to grab a quick bite, ride from the Twin Cities area up some decent (not as twisty as they could of been) roads to Mille Lacs Lake (the central part of our state). I had a BLAST!! GRAMPS it was great meeting you and riding with you. We will have to do it again soon!!!

For those of you interested. I got a chance to do some race tuning with my buddies C14. He is running the Two Brothers Race pipe on his. As most of you know, I have my RECIPE for HP/TQ rolling in mine. I have to say that darn piped C14 is one FAST bugger!!! Though, mine is really fast now too!!

Here is how the numerous roll on acceleration synopsis between our 2 bikes compared....I did do some fine tuning of my Co levels also!! More on that later. I weigh around 230 and my buddy on the Connie is around 265. We started with the gas tanks topped off.. So, I had about 6-7 more pounds of fuel. So around a 28 lb difference between us.

My FJR shined like a star in all the roll on acceleration tests. In 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th Gear my FJR would absolutely walk away from the C14. Somewheres between 5-15 bike lengths depending on the gear. The Connie was nowhere near me at this point!! :yahoo:

However.. When we would roll from 5th for total top end run(the C14 also being in 5th).. I would initially walk away from him BUT somewhere very close to top end for both bikes the C14 would actually creep up and pull a bike length :blink: and we would stay locked in that position for miles upon miles (same top speed BUT that damn Connie just doesn't want to give it up!!) Hahahahaha! I gotta give the Connie props here!! Very nice motorcycle! I like it almost as nice as the FJR.

We did do some 1st gear roll ons and I learned that I needed to adjust me CO levels a tad bit here(the Connie was looking to good!). Remember the Connie has a HUGE advantage with that very small 1st gear (the Connies 6 speed gear box is NICE!).

Even though, in the 1st gear "quarter mile roll ons" my FJR did not walk away from the Connie. Both bikes were dead even all the way up. That 1st gear really gives the Connie the push it needs for those very quick quarter mile times. Wish our FJR's had the Connies 6th speed gear box! BUT.. I am absolutely tickled how well my FJR does with its 5 speed against the Connies 6 speed.

I may have some pics later from Gramps or my Friend on the Connie.

Thanks again Gramps!

WW

WW,

Nice write up! Good to see you are able to give the C-14 Heck.

Thanks for your efforts.

03HiYoSilver said:

WW,
Nice write up! Good to see you are able to give the C-14 Heck.

Thanks for your efforts.

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03HiYoSilver,

Thanks! We had a lot of FUN!!

WW

Finally! A great weather day here in Minnesnowta! I enjoyed a ride today also. :yahoo:

That was an awesome ride even if the roads were flat & straight. Watching that workout from behind between the FJR & Connie was both very interesting & a little disheartening. I'm running a Power Commander, a K&N air filter with stock pipes & about all I could do was just smell exhaust all afternoon. :dribble: The ONLY time I was able to "get in the game" was in the 4th gear roll on, & to my utter amazement, I actually pass the C14 :yahoo: only to be reeled in a few seconds later. I was never able to stay with WW at any time & to be honest, never really with the C14 either...that one time had to be a fluke.

I wish I had had fresh batteries in my camera to get some vids, but I didn't so it'll have to be next time.

I guess I'm going to have to get my air box opened up to see if that'll help keep me a little closer.

Thanks again WW & to big R with his Connie for a great ride!!

CU soon.

Gramps,

Thanks again for coming out to play. I will give you a call when I can get a chance to break away!

WW

Gramps, and all... You ain't gonna believe this:

It seems me and Gramps day outing with my friends C14 caused quite a stir of emotions here (with some C14 owners I guess) and on my friends Connie forum. My Friend posted his accounts of our day riding. He told me he could only give my feejer soo many props and would leave some of the interpretation of his words up to the other C14 owners. I don't care, not my forum. Though, some C14 owners there(who also troll here) in turn posted this thread up on their C14 forum. TOO FUNNY!!!

All of us here know that the Gen II FJR is the dominant tourer between these two bikes(adjustable seat, adjustable handle bars, larger gas tank, bigger stock shield, Adjustable middle air cowls, fully adjustable front suspension, heat issues taken care of, larger stator, ect ect ect...)...

I give the C14 its props that it was specifically designed to edge out the FJR in HP/TQ. And is geared well for those 1/4 mi tests and has ram air... It has a really nice 6 speed transmission. Though, its roll performance is slightly lacking. It also has a stock tire pressure monitoring system. Which is a really cool stock farkle.

It seems some C14 guys got really pissed when I started to infringe on the C14's HP/TQ!! They labeled me as a liar and a bullshitter. Not that I really care.

This is, again, the straight honest truth about how our bikes rolled(I have a witness). I thought I was being fair previously. My friend on the C14 did have a 28lbs disadvantage. After some CO levels tuning on SUN with my FJR. His C14 and my FJR were DEAD EVEN (Before I did some CO tuning his C14 did have a bikes length advantage here. Somewhere near the end of 3rd gear... BUT NOT AFTER I DIALED IN SOME CO NUMBERS) in 1st gear roll ons all the way up to EXTREME TOP OUT SPEEDS(over 150mph)! That is the ONLY PLACE he would catch up and overtake the FJR.. He could only get 1-2 bike lengths ahead and he would run out of steam and we would be topped out (same speeds.. for miles). We had our bags on. Gotta give the Connie its props here. As far as roll on tests in 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th gears... I would pull him hard(5-15 bike lengths). He could never catch me. I can't say when he would start to reel me in BUT he would never be seen again until we were at EXTREME TOP OUT SPEEDS (over 150mph)!! Let me say again.. both bikes shine performance wise in different aspects. And are both fast as hell!

THIS LINK WAS COURTESY OF MY FRIEND MOTOR659 AND HE DID ALREADY APOLOGIZE TO FOR SOME OF THE IDIOTS(THEIR AND HERE) AND TOLD ME THAT HE DEFENDED ME.

https://concours.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=42281

NOW TO MY FELLOW FJRFORUM MEMBERS HERE WHO ARE TROLLERS ("freak" & "csa" on the C14 forum)... BE A TROLLER, I DON'T CARE. BUT DON'T GO ATTACKING ANOTHER FORUM MEMBER HERE CALLING THEM A LIAR AND BULLSHITTER BECAUSE YOU JUST CAN'T STAND TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR CONNIE LOSING SOME PERFORMANCE TESTS TO THE FJR!!!! :dribble:

WHAT A LOSER AND FRAUD THAT YOU BOTH ARE ON THIS FORUM!

WW

Well, all I know is what I saw & that was a couple of tail lights always ahead of me.

If they need proof then they should accompany you guys for a ride & leave their attitudes at home.

It was all about having some fun & I did!!

I doubt I would even stay with you guys if my bike up to the same power as yours. I always ride within my limits and that at times is at the back of the pack.

So, lets all go to Wisconsin for some fun in the bluff country.

Webby,

As someone who knows a bit about the FJR and C14 since I own both, you are a wizard at presenting misleading information. You ran your highly touted Remus exhaust modified airbox FJR against what is essentially a stock C14, picked the most favorable circumstances for you, had a 50 pound rider weight advantage, and still managed to lose the one fair fight of the day -- and blamed it on the C14 having unfair 1st gear advantage. I have news for you, the 1st gear ratios between your FJR and the C14 are within one percent of each other, and the FJR actually has the lowest ratio. The only disadvantage you had was that it was a fair fight because the C14 isn't hampered that much by the secondary butterflies when it is in 1st gear. The C14 also is only halfway hampered by the secondary butterflies in 5th gear and you quickly got caught in that gear. The C14 isn't a 6 speed, its a 5 speed with an overdrive so it doesn't have any advantage in the transmission department.

I know what a stock C14 can and cannot do, and all things considered, my bone stock 05 FJR would have done better against that C14 than yours did.

MCRIDER007 said:

Webby,
As someone who knows a bit about the FJR and C14 since I own both, you are a wizard at presenting misleading information. You ran your highly touted Remus exhaust modified airbox FJR against what is essentially a stock C14, picked the most favorable circumstances for you, had a 50 pound rider weight advantage, and still managed to lose the one fair fight of the day -- and blamed it on the C14 having unfair 1st gear advantage. I have news for you, the 1st gear ratios between your FJR and the C14 are within one percent of each other, and the FJR actually has the lowest ratio. The only disadvantage you had was that it was a fair fight because the C14 isn't hampered that much by the secondary butterflies when it is in 1st gear. The C14 also is only halfway hampered by the secondary butterflies in 5th gear and you quickly got caught in that gear. The C14 isn't a 6 speed, its a 5 speed with an overdrive so it doesn't have any advantage in the transmission department.

I know what a stock C14 can and cannot do, and all things considered, my bone stock 05 FJR would have done better against that C14 than yours did.

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Gramps,

We will do it soon!!

007 or is it JSA??

Now that is funny! How do those sour grapes taste? I don't expect you to take it well, that your Connie isn't as performance dominating as you would like us all to believe. I will leave the "bench racing" and "keyboard cowboy" stuff to you! I know what I have, have run the bikes side by side, and have been absolutely truthful about how the bikes compared and what they have. You should really get your spec sheets out and compare the Gen II's gear ratios to your C14 before you make more of an *** of yourself. 50lbs difference.... You should ask Motor659 how much he weighs and how much I do and if we topped off our tanks.. Maybe you should ask Gramps what he observed??

Didn't think so.

Ok Keyboard Cowboy, here you go:

Lets have a quick lesson on gear ratios, primary drive and final drive ratios.. The smaller the gear ratio number equals the larger the gear actually is. Accordingly, the larger the gear, the lower the revolutions (higher speeds in that gear, but less acceleration) BUT the lower revolutions equal less acceleration. Thus, the larger the gear ratio numbers, the better acceleration of the ratio compared side by side to other ratios (with the primary and final drive ratios into the equations of course).

REMEMBER... THE LARGER THE RATIO EQUALS THE BETTER GEARING FOR ACCELERATION!!

The 08 C14's Gear ratios:............................The Gen II FJR1300's Gear Ratios

Primary reduction ratio is : 1.556.................Primary reduction ratio is : 1.553

1st gear:3.333...........................................1st gear:2.529

2nd gear:2.412..........................................2nd gear:1.773

3rd gear:1.900..........................................3rd gear:1.348

4th gear:1.545..........................................4th gear:1.077

5th gear:1.292..........................................5th gear:0.929

6th gear:1.074..........................................

Final reduction ratio:2.036..........................Final reducton ratio:2.550

007, as you can see.. You don't have a F'n clue about what your talking about! Do the MATH!! The C14 has a huge gearing advantage for acceleration compared to the Gen II FJR's in every gear.

YOU ARE THE BULLSHITTER!!

Check the facts on your Kawi:

https://www.kawasaki-pboro.demon.co.uk/scripton/sptour.html

Go spread your lies where people don't know any better!

WW

(edited to fix my typo)

We haven't had a good Popcorn event in a while.... :jerry:

Who's bringing the beverages..... :drinks:

Wicked Webby said:

Now that is funny! How do those sour grapes taste? I don't expect you to take it well, that your Connie isn't as performance dominating as you would like us all to believe. I will leave the "bench racing" and "keyboard cowboy" stuff to you! I know what I have, have run the bikes side by side, and have been absolutely truthful about how the bikes compared and what they have. You should really get your spec sheets out and compare the Gen II's gear ratios to your C14 before you make more of an *** of yourself. 50lbs difference.... You should ask Motor659 how much he weighs and how much I do and if we topped off our tanks.. Maybe you should ask Gramps what he observed??
Didn't think so.

Ok Keyboard Cowboy, here you go:

Lets have a quick lesson on gear ratios, primary drive and final drive ratios.. The smaller the gear ratio number equals the larger the gear actually is. Accordingly, the larger the gear, the lower the revolutions (higher speeds in that gear, but less acceleration) BUT the lower revolutions equal less acceleration. Thus, the larger the gear ratio numbers, the better acceleration of the ratio compared side by side to other ratios (with the primary and final drive ratios into the equations of course).

REMEMBER... THE LARGER THE RATIO EQUALS THE BETTER GEARING FOR ACCELERATION!!

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The 08 C14's Gear ratios:............................The Gen II FJR1300's Gear Ratios

Primary reduction ratio is : 1.556.................Primary reduction ratio is : 1.553

1st gear:3.333...........................................1st gear:1.563

2nd gear:2.412..........................................2nd gear:2.529

3rd gear:1.900..........................................3rd gear:1.773

4th gear:1.545..........................................4th gear:1.070

5th gear:1.292..........................................5th gear:0.929

6th gear:1.074..........................................

Final reduction ratio:2.036..........................Final reducton ratio:2.550

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I have already responded to all your incorrect FJR ratios in my C14 post but even you should have been able to realize that 1st gear is always geared lower than 2nd gear and that your numbers can't possibly be correct.

I don't have any sour grapes, I just see someone writing the rules to give themselves an advantage and reporting incomplete results. On one hand you brag about all your HP gains and then you rig the competition and make excuses when you lose. If you want to compare your FJR to your friend's C14 why don't you have an even playing field? You already have an advantage in bike weights, replacing dual exhausts has to drop more weight than replacing one. Since your friend obviously is much bigger than you (and he is the one who said he weighs 50 pounds more) you also have an advantage in "wind drag". Why not at least compensate for the difference in rider weights? Both of you should get on the scales in full riding gear and then equalize rider weights, and you can do it by removing saddlebags (where the C14 is also a disadvantage since the bags are so damn wide), adding weight to your saddlebags, or having different amounts of gas in the tanks.

Doing roll ons at 3000 rpms just proves the obvious, I have said from day one that my FJR has better performance than a stock C14 below 4000 rpms due to the secondary butterflies, the question is how does your modified FJR do against an almost stock C14 once the secondary butterflies start to open? Equalize rider weight and do some 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gear roll ons from 5,000 rpms and see what happens. Use 4,000-5000 rpms as a starting point for 5th gear and see what happens. If your FJR is still quicker to 120 or 130 then you can challenge a modified C14 (which is much faster than stock) -- which is only fair considering the time and money you have spent modifying your FJR.

007 (JSA on the concours.org forum),

Yes your were right about one thing. I screwed up on the gear ratios on the FJR. I actually got that information here on the FJR forum:

https://www.fjrforum.com/forum/index.php?sh...c=20944&hl=

However.. nothing changed regarding how the gears compare between the C14 and Gen II FJR. Take a look for yourself:

https://www.motorbike-search-engine.co.uk/2...s/fjr1300a.html

As I stated... The C14 has the acceleration gearing advantage in every gear. I don't have a problem admitting when I make an error (this case a typo)... You have yet to admit to being wrong about "The FJR actually having the accelaration gear advatage."

The FACTS are the C14 has the acceleration gearing advantage in EVERY gear. Makes my performance gains against your beloved C14 even more IMPRESSIVE!! But I know you ain't impressed (just wrong no matter how you slice it). THEM SOUR GRAPES MUST BE WHINE BY NOW!!! The way you bench race and talk about this I could of swore you were there.. BUT you were right? You keep talking about our 3000rpm roll ons? You think that is the only way we compared our bikes all day during our numerous upon numerous roll ons? Think Motor said it best when he posted on your C14 forum that I am not a Bullshitter..

Like I said.. YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE... SPREAD THIS ******** ON YOUR C14 FORUM!!!!

WW

Wicked Webby said:

The FACTS are the C14 has the acceleration gearing advantage in EVERY gear. Makes my performance gains against your beloved C14 even more IMPRESSIVE!! But I know you ain't impressed (just wrong no matter how you slice it).

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The FACTS are that the C14's acceleration advantage comes from a stronger engine and a 10,500 redline. Funny, I don't remember you having any performance gains against my C14, you were just running against a stocker with a rider that is a lot bigger than you are. If we ever get to compare our bikes, be sure to have your brights on so I can see you in my rear view mirror.

JSA, (mcrider007 here)

Sorry my confused poster, but I won't have anymore time for your posts after this.

Go back and post on your C14 forum. Your bad info is not welcome here. And, I do

accept the other C14forum members apologies for talking crap about me before they

got the FACTS. FUNNY, It seems they don't want your kind on their forum either.

https://concours.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_...amp;whichpage=2

You should take up a new hobby(other than bench racing). I have too much

real World race experience to be a benchracer.. SORRY............. :blink: I won't be stooping

down to your level anymore. :wacko:

WW

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WHO THE F*** CARES???????

I don't care if a 125cc dirt bike could out run me. The way I ride there are probably some that could!

150 mph?!?!?!

On a public street?!?!?!?

I tend to push the speed limits a bit but 150???? Get real!

Oh well...on to another thread....

Glad you had a good ride though... but that 150 scares me... :blink:

Ray

Ray,

The bench racing isn't what got me stirred up as much as the personal attacks that started at me on that other forum.. I don't mind being called a liar when I am lying BUT I don't take it too well when I'm not. I got pretty thick skin regardless.

WW

Wicked Webby said:

Ray,The bench racing isn't what got me stirred up as much as the personal attacks that started at me on that other forum.. I don't mind being called a liar when I am lying BUT I don't take it too well when I'm not. I got pretty thick skin regardless.

WW

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I just consider the source....after all...he doesn't ride a Yamaha.

I tend to look at all the HP and speed test numbers as something like sports stats. Might be fun to have a discussion over but when it comes down to it you stick with yout "team" no matter what the numbers look like. I would have bought the FJR even with 50 LESS HP or more! I tend to be partial to Yamahas and I liked the concept of the FJR regardless of the numbers. (It's WAY more bike than this old slow guy will ever use anyway!)

Arguments like you two guys were having seem to be a waste of time and bandwidth to me. Neither of you are going to change your opinion so why bother?

Like I said...glad you had fun...although the idea of someone doing 150 mph on public streets scares the crap out of me. I've got lots of opinions on that topic too...but keeping them to myself....mostly.

Ray

Webby

Interesting post. I just read your "mod" post where you claim to have "rang up" an impressive 138 ponies and 96 ft-lbs of peak torque. Now that's what I'm talkin' about! It's nice to see a Fudger attain some gain. I had seriously considered an FJR but I never could find any real data where simple mods would result in more than 5 or 6 HP net gain. It appears you have proven that there is more under the fairing than meets the eye.

Too bad "Gramps" had a mere TBR slip-on and not much else. I would love take a few "rolling punches" on the open road with your smoking FJR. I bet it would be interesting.......for YOU. It certainly looks like you have a reeeeeal pavement scorcher for a Yamadog. :yahoo:

In the mean time here's a reality check of what a Ninja :assassin: with hardbags can do:



Run 001: my stock 2008 Concours14.

Run 033:

AreaP duals with a ZX14 header (catless) ...I swatted the flies then custom mapped a PC3....oh yeah...89 octane pump gas. Really these are very lame modifications that any moron could do to a C14 (as I am living proof) hehehehe. But 17 horses is a HERD and 11 up on torque ain't too shabby for a mere exhaust swap and fuel trim. Dyno'd on a DJ250i. So RAM effect isn't in play. Who knows what the damn thing would ring up with hurricane force winds pressurizing the intake system.

BTW...I'm NOT a troll. The FJR is fine machine. In many regards it is a much finer bike than this Kaw.

MOO!

Here's the view most FJRs have of a C14...







Don't those duals look much better than that hideous SCUD MISSILE from the factory?