2007 AE Downshifting Problems

cbdunn said:

I just tested on the center stand as you suggested. I warmed the bike to normal operating temperature (4 bars) and ran through the gears:

First: With foot shifter, several times. No problems. No codes.

Second: With paddle shifter. I ran up and down several times. There were hesitations, but I was able to get it to shift if I waited a second or two between shifts. There were only a times when it would just not downshift and I had to apply the rear brake... throttle blip... clunk... then it would downshfit.

Finally: I was able to get a code. It appeared for a few seconds. I "think" it was Sh__47. But, I wasn't sure. I ran the gears several more times and got a second light and code. This time I am sure the code was Sh__45.

I can't find my Owner's Manual right now... it's buried in a shelf somewhere in this office. Any ideas on these codes? Are these in the OM?

Does anyone have a digital copy of a 2007 FJR Owner's Manual?

mcatrophy said:

I also think you would get an error code if there was a paddle-switch wiring issue. The switch is a change-over for each position, so the computer "knows" if a wire is missing (it expects one "way" or the other to be made).
But the only error code I could find to do with the paddle switch was SH__38. The summary says:

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Ok, can't help with digital workshop manual, strong Forum rules about copyright material, particularly Yamaha's, when we may want Mamayamma on our side .

However, here are some snippets:



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And:





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The SH__47 can occur if your rear brake is binding, see my post here. I don't know if it's your problem, but could be related. However, when I experienced this, I was still able to change gear.

The SH__45 could be caused by some internal problem, but very possibly by a badly adjusted shift rod.

The adjustment procedure is described below (click on image for larger view):



Hope that helps some.

You said you picked it up from having it serviced? What did they service on this last? Did they try bleeding the clutch fluid?

My guess is bleed the clutch and your back in business.

Easy way to do it is take the slave cylinder off the engine and bleed it by hand squeezing it. Only takes 2-3 bleds and your resevior needs refilling so keep an eye on that and don't suck air in.

I'll be very surprised if that doesn't do it.

OK, now that we have some results and some error codes we can rule out some of the other suggestions. I think Mcatrophy gave you a very good starting point.

Good Luck.

** UPDATE **

FJR is in with tech. Test ride duplicated the problem (always nice when they don't call you and say something like, "We couldn't see anything wrong..."). Additionally, they actually got it stuck in 3rd gear and no amount of throttle blipping would get it to downshift beyond 3rd. They also were able to get a shift code (Sh__51) that I didn't see in my testing. I don't remember the verbiage for the code description, but it is in line with the behavior.

Tech is looking at shift plates and shift rod adjustment. ALSO (kicker!), they are waiting on a part -- a Yamaha Test Coupler -- to plug into the YCCS and look for additional codes. Only problem is, I'm told... Yamaha doesn't have any of these right now. "We are trying to find the test part."

I asked, "Are we talking a few days or a few weeks?"

Answer, "I wish I could tell you."

I found the part number in 20 seconds (Google)... sent e-mail to shop with 4 links to part sources. Hope that helps get this moving.

Stay tuned.

cbdunn said:

..they are waiting on a part -- a Yamaha Test Coupler -- to plug into the YCCS and look for additional codes. Only problem is, I'm told... Yamaha doesn't have any of these right now....

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The (insert Angels1 Harps here) Test Coupler is just a ground jumper between two pins. Any knowledgeable and competent shop should be able to figure out how to short two pins together. That's it, no more complicated than that in spite of how fancy the term Test Coupler may sound.

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1. Speeling has been corrected so cbdunn can sleep tonight The word Angels is plural so the punctuation stands. Things don't go so good when posting in a big hurry.

ionbeam said:

cbdunn said:

The (insert Angles Harps here) Test Coupler is just a ground jumper between two pins. Any knowledgeable and competent shop should be able to figure out ... in spite of how fancy the term Test Coupler may sound.

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cbdunn said:

"It’s a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word." -- Andrew Jackson

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LOL.

I think I'll let them get the part just the same. Then... no excuses. But, thanks for the advice. I should heed your advice. I know you don't have a "damn poor mind..." I like your creative spelling derivative of Angels.


I love the signature quotation. I'm going to use that (I'm a technical writer and editor) when marking up documents! There are a lot of "damn rich minds" out there these days.

Thanks!

One other thought, there was a recall on early AEs to do with the mount for the shift actuator which could fracture. It's worth checking this isn't the issue with yours, but I think that was '06. Documented here, search for "15-Aug-2006, Bulletin M2006-012"

I had the same problem, changed to Shell Rotella T synthetic and problem went away over 60,000 miles ago and has never come back. Oil / clutch issue with dragging clutch plates.Check out all of the threads on clutch soaking.

cbdunn said:

** UPDATE **
FJR is in with tech. Test ride duplicated the problem (always nice when they don't call you and say something like, "We couldn't see anything wrong..."). Additionally, they actually got it stuck in 3rd gear and no amount of throttle blipping would get it to downshift beyond 3rd. They also were able to get a shift code (Sh__51) that I didn't see in my testing. I don't remember the verbiage for the code description, but it is in line with the behavior.

Tech is looking at shift plates and shift rod adjustment. ALSO (kicker!), they are waiting on a part -- a Yamaha Test Coupler -- to plug into the YCCS and look for additional codes. Only problem is, I'm told... Yamaha doesn't have any of these right now. "We are trying to find the test part."

I asked, "Are we talking a few days or a few weeks?"

Answer, "I wish I could tell you."

I found the part number in 20 seconds (Google)... sent e-mail to shop with 4 links to part sources. Hope that helps get this moving.

Stay tuned.

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CD- Hey don't spend all yo money on that clunker AE (as I see u live in Eden Prairie) and I do believe I was there once ...to a place right off of a main freeway called "Winter Park" ...home of da purple and gold ghangstas'. So I said don't $pend much cuz u have a BIG upcoming project to pay for and I hear it's with State run lottery tickets lmao. So buy yo ticketz!

-Yes, I bleed purple and yes, I live in freeqn New Yawwk! ...GOOD LUCK w your AE

** conclusion **

I finally got my FJR home today. Final analysis and repair was replacing the shift actuator. Yamaha and my service manager and tech worked together to perform this work under the extended YES warranty. Thank the Maker! It would have run me in the $2.7K range according to service manager -- 1,800 for part -- says the man. Part took over two weeks to make it from Japan. I'm glad to be back on the FJR. Thanks again to all for advice and support.

cbdunn said:

** conclusion **
I finally got my FJR home today. Final analysis and repair was replacing the shift actuator. Yamaha and my service manager and tech worked together to perform this work under the extended YES warranty. Thank the Maker! It would have run me in the $2.7K range according to service manager -- 1,800 for part -- says the man. Part took over two weeks to make it from Japan. I'm glad to be back on the FJR. Thanks again to all for advice and support.

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Very glad it's sorted.

Unusual failure, don't think I've heard of one before. Does make me wonder whether there was some other less serious problem that's been cured during the process of changing the actuator. Anyway, you can enjoy it again .

did you resolve this?

david lawrence said:

did you resolve this?

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You are replying to a thread from 2013. And yes, it was resolved - see: https://www.fjrforum.com/threads/2007-ae-downshifting-problems.152187/post-1071812