03 29k. Loud ticking during deceleration

[KennyWiz]

Hi,

My 03 is a ticker as it would seem. I had the valves adjusted 2k ago and I have ticking at 2k-5k rpm. Could be higher and I may not hear it. Very pronounced during deceleration.

Took it back tot the dealer that did the valve adjust and was told not to worry about it.

Should I?

Valves should not have "unadjusted" in 2k miles? Cam chain tensioner?

Thanks

 

[RaYzerman19]

Well, if it just started with the valve adjustment, did you think to ask them to record the clearances before and after the adjustments? This is why I do stuff myself.... I am not under time constraints to get a job done and will do it properly, and would double check the clearances before I buttoned it back up. One qualifying statement, if very minor, and if indeed they did change shims to get more clearance, and not having heard it, it may be normal that what you're hearing is simply the result of it being quiet because of lack of clearance before you took it in...

It could be the cam chain tensioner... if never replaced, I would do that anyway, ticking or not. Then see if it goes away or gets better.

Bottom line, you're not going to know the source unless you get a second opinion, or take the valve cover off and recheck the current clearances.

 

[03HiYoSilver]

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It could be the cam chain tensioner... if never replaced, I would do that anyway, ticking or not. Then see if it goes away or gets better.

It it is the Cam Chain or Tensioner, you will hear it on the Right Side of the Engine.

If you feel your Service Personnel has done something wrong, it happens, call 800-962-7926 Yamaha Customer Service-Cypress/CA and ask them to have your Area Yamaha Service Supervisor look at your bike. He/She can determine if something's amiss and will have the Dealer correct the problem.

Don't ask me how I know this....

 

[Bungie]

If it just started doing it after the valve adjust, you do not have a ticker. You have an ***** for a mechanic.

If it sounds like a can full of marbles, CCT.

Most tickers are loudest between 2.5K and 3.5k.

 

[RadioHowie]

Were any of the valves actually adjusted? Or just measured?

The reason I ask, if any of the valves actually needed re-shimming, the cams had to come out, which means the cam chain tensioner had to be de-tensioned, which could be the kiss-of-death for an 8 year old CCT.

How many miles on your 03? If 40k or more, I, personally, would yank the CCT out of it and replace it -- post-haste -- even if it wasn't making any noise. But then, I'm a CCT Alarmist, so take this with a grain of salt.

 

[exskibum]

How many miles on your 03? If 40k or more, I, personally, would yank the CCT out of it and replace it -- post-haste -- even if it wasn't making any noise. But then, I'm a CCT Alarmist, educated the old fashioned hard way, so take this with a grain of salt.

Fixed it for you, Howie.

Nothing like larning yer CCT crasher catechism that way for it to make an impression, huh?

 

[Bungie]

Right on Bungie, I've had both the tick (at 10k ) and marbles after SWFOG last year( at 75k). Two completely different sounds.

I was fortunate to have mama-yama pony up for parts and machining on my ticker. My CCT never made any sound, but I paid extra during the tick fix to have the CCT & Cam chain changed. Was cheap insurance given the engine was torn down anyway.

At EOM in Johnson City a few years ago one of the guys had an obvious ticker. Sure enough, the next day the engine grenaded itself and he ended up hauling his bike back home. It's not overly expensive to change, more a pain in the ***.

 

[charismaticmegafauna]

Right on Bungie, I've had both the tick (at 10k ) and marbles after SWFOG last year( at 75k). Two completely different sounds.

At EOM in Johnson City a few years ago one of the guys had an obvious ticker. Sure enough, the next day the engine grenaded itself...

"Ticker" cause of 'engine grenaded'...?

Or, "marbles" (CCT) was the cause...?

 

[TomInPA]

I'm just curious about some of these sounds that the FJR seems to have in abundance. Before my engine warms up, if I use engine braking during deceleration it sounds pretty horrible with the clattering. Once warmed up, I can go from WOT to full closed throttle with no problem, and at 16,500, the motor does not tick. (I have only had the bike since December with 6500 on the clock then). Is the noise on deceleration with a cold engine typical?

 

[ionbeam]

...Before my engine warms up, if I use engine braking during deceleration it sounds pretty horrible with the clattering. Once warmed up, I can go from WOT to full closed throttle with no problem...Is the noise on deceleration with a cold engine typical?

Yes, the noise is typical. Until the coolant thermostat opens the Air Injection System is active which causes the noise. When the engine is cold the ECU commands the AIS to inject air into the exhaust stream for a secondary burn of the cold-run enriched exhaust fumes. The noise you are hearing is the popping from the secondary burn. Once the engine reaches operating temperature and the coolant thermostat opens the AIS is only active when the engine is at idle.

 

[Bungie]

Right on Bungie, I've had both the tick (at 10k ) and marbles after SWFOG last year( at 75k). Two completely different sounds.

At EOM in Johnson City a few years ago one of the guys had an obvious ticker. Sure enough, the next day the engine grenaded itself...

"Ticker" cause of 'engine grenaded'...?

Or, "marbles" (CCT) was the cause...?

My bad. I've got to stop writing messages first thing in the morning. I meant to say CCT. Thanks for catching that.

 

[KennyWiz]

Thanks all

I believe 2 valves were shimmed. However the sound does not appear to be coming from the right side. Will take another ride and pay closer attention.

Went back to the dealer and was told the valves were possibly adjusted "loose" as that would be better. ???????????????

I am the second owner and from the records I received the previous owner followed the maintenance schedule.

Forgive me but is there a cct proceedure out there?

 

[RadioHowie]

Thanks all

I believe 2 valves were shimmed. However the sound does not appear to be coming from the right side. Will take another ride and pay closer attention.

Went back to the dealer and was told the valves were possibly adjusted "loose" as that would be better. ???????????????

I am the second owner and from the records I received the previous owner followed the maintenance schedule.

Forgive me but is there a cct proceedure out there?

HERE is a great place to start.

 

[CAJW]

I'm just curious about some of these sounds that the FJR seems to have in abundance. Before my engine warms up, if I use engine braking during deceleration it sounds pretty horrible with the clattering. Once warmed up, I can go from WOT to full closed throttle with no problem, and at 16,500, the motor does not tick. (I have only had the bike since December with 6500 on the clock then). Is the noise on deceleration with a cold engine typical?

Tom,

16,500 rpm? No wonder it makes noise!.... Oh, 16,500 miles.... never mind.

Kenny here you go,... never mind again, Howie beat me to the punch.

 

[wheatonFJR]

Thanks all

I believe 2 valves were shimmed. However the sound does not appear to be coming from the right side. Will take another ride and pay closer attention.

Went back to the dealer and was told the valves were possibly adjusted "loose" as that would be better. ???????????????

I am the second owner and from the records I received the previous owner followed the maintenance schedule.

Forgive me but is there a cct proceedure out there?

HERE is a great place to start.

Great answer if noise came from the right side, however OP says it does not.

I would go with Ionbeam's answer.

 

[KennyWiz]

THANKS!

 

[KennyWiz]

Guessing it is the CCT because the noise is now gone. Guess the CCT actually did it's job?

If it doesn't return, should I still replace? Are you all replacing it with a Gen2?

I'm not very confident with the R&R procedure, so I asked my local dealer... $257 plus parts.

 

[ionbeam]

Holy mother of Dog, if you think it is the cam chain tensioner then change it at the first cost effective opportunity. While there may be some costs involved with the change, it is in no way on the scale of the costs if you DON'T change it. Seek the history of why Radio' is Frankenstein. Check out why ionbeam know a lot about the CCT.

 

[Geezer]

Guessing it is the CCT because the noise is now gone. Guess the CCT actually did it's job?

If it doesn't return, should I still replace? Are you all replacing it with a Gen2?

I'm not very confident with the R&R procedure, so I asked my local dealer... $257 plus parts.

It's not a Gen 2 CCT, it's an updated part that is intended for all Gen's of FJR. And yes, make sure you get the updated part. The part number is slightly different for the updated CCT and there is normally a blue dot on the part itself.