07 FJR - Altitude Surge Problem Lawsuit

[2WheelTiger]

You asked "What the hell for?"

Simple. In any lawsuit, you have to show you took reasonable action to correct the problem. It's good business practice and it's logical.

 

[twowheelnut]

Does anybody know for a fact that Yamaha has acknowledged this problem? Any proof?

Another failing grade in reading comprehension... Did you miss post #14? And did your dealer really thank you for not bringing in the bike? You mean to tell me that the dealer doesn't want to deal with it? Your dealer, let's see, how do I put this... um... your dealer just sucks. It is his responsibility to work with Yamaha to resolve your issue. Man, if my dealer told me what you are relating, I'd sure as hell find another dealer tout de suite!

Anyway, the horse is begging for mercy...

 

[RenoJohn]

LOL

What? can't get it up without your attorney??

What a bunch of crap this is.

Yamaha, while far from perfect, isn't out to screw you ....but get a pack of attorneys and whining FJR owners on their heels and I'm sure they'll look at a great group of FJR enthusiasts in a much less than appreciative manner.

Those in Park City saw Yamaha show up with a semi truck full of new toys for everyone to demo ...they support this community, they've made good on previous mistakes. Good-will has been made by folks within this community to build relations and strong ties with Yamaha and those efforts go a long ways. Did I include the "trust" factor. You think Yamaha engineers are going to come looking for feedback on new ideas, thoughts etc when they know this community has earned the trust of a jackal in a rabbit hut? IMO, from the Yamaha/FJR enthusiast relationships that I saw in Park City, Yamaha trusts this community. IMO they will be looking for feedback when it comes time for the FJR1500ss (ss for super surge).

Now a bunch of snivelers want to bring attorneys into the mix?? Let me tell you, if I was Yamaha, and you surge pussies came to my door with a class action lawsuit, after investing much good-will to your community .....I'd be less than eager to do much for you.

My bike perfect? I think my slow evolving ticker is getting worse, maybe not the same as a surge problem, but let me tell you legal whores something: If a surge problem is the worst thing to happen to you, you've got a damn good life, much better than most. Be appreciative. Ride that thing until the legs go straight out and then get another one ...another bike that is, not another attorney.

I haven't followed the issue intimately, but I'm sure it falls within a FI (fuel injection / ECU)category. Perhaps in Yamaha's attemtps to get Euro3 compliant they screwed some things up?? Any here who are also in the V-Strom world know that surging has been a major issue on the men's version of that bike ...not at high altitude, but rather at ALL altitude. Fixes were tough, most came from re-mapping ECU's. Suzuki got better (of course not fast enough), but even today there are still issues and ECU's being swapped out.

All this advice and I'm not charging you $250.oo an hour .....Oh, that's right, I'm sorry, Yamaha USA will pick up the legal tab after they loose

.....wonder who they'll pass those expenses on to??? If you win, how much have you lost to get there?

renojohn

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Two attorneys walking down the sidewalk

-Beautiful woman approaching toward them

-Attorney "A" says: "I'd really like to F@#K her

-Attorney "B: says: Out of what??

 

[c2insa]

don't forget that you (all new 07 buyers) signed an arbitration clause. (barring specific exclusions that vary by state). Going to a Lawyer first can void your opportunity for any resolution the manufacturer may come up with during arbitration. You will be solo (so low) and stuck in a fight with a superpower. Many steps to take first and more documentation of all steps taken are needed. I beat the big HD just from letters and being relentless in my pressure for help. They bought the bike back at full refund and taxes and bought back every manual, accessory, tool etc that I bought for the bike whether it was oem or aftermarket. Lawsuit means only one path for help and that path can take more than a year.

 

[Warchild]

Oh, that's right, I'm sorry, Yamaha USA will pick up the legal tab after they loose .....wonder who they'll pass those expenses on to??? If you win, how much have you lost to get there?

Precisely!

Two attorneys walking down the sidewalk-Beautiful woman approaching toward them

-Attorney "A" says: "I'd really like to F@#K her

-Attorney "B: says: Out of what??

Q: What's the difference between a dead lawyer lying in the road, and a dead snake lying in the road?

A: Skid marks are in front of the snake.

 

[Fencer]

I'm not an attorney - I'm an engineer. I design electronic XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX... speaking of which, I need to get some work done.

Fair enough, but in noting that you are not an attorney, are you assuming that I thought or was implying that you or others considering a lawsuit are attorneys? Or do you mean to suggest that it is attorneys that typically get the litigation idea rolling? Again -- just curious on this subject.

I did

 

[exskibum]

Gotta love it -- the engineer and other non-lawyers start a thread about filing a lawsuit and we're blaming the lawyers for this one.

God knows that except for the greedy lawyers, there sure ain't such a thing as whiny gash engineers, accountants, IT guys, etc. that take a litigious attitude and file these things. When most of us think that a reported case is BS, it's usually because some whiny gash engineer or IT guy has either refused to take personal responsibility (as in TRYING to get it resolved without the courts here) or can only see $$$ in their own pockets, be damned the larger ethical issues. It's all about whose ox is getting gored, as usual. An engineer started this, so how about let's start with killing all the engineers?

BTW, just who do you think has to deal with the prick lawyer that files an unmeritorious lawsuit?

While we're at it, I wouldn't mind reading some NEW lawyer jokes I might save for my files.

 

[exskibum]

I'm not an attorney - I'm an engineer. I design electronic XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX... speaking of which, I need to get some work done.

Fair enough, but in noting that you are not an attorney, are you assuming that I thought or was implying that you or others considering a lawsuit are attorneys? Or do you mean to suggest that it is attorneys that typically get the litigation idea rolling? Again -- just curious on this subject.

I did

Nope -- the only attorney in this thread thinks filing a lawsuit is probably a bad idea for a lot of reasons -- and premature.

 

[dgerharter]

I held back my opinion for a day, but after reading all this crap, I can't hold it back any longer.

I do NOT advocate a class action lawsuit. Nothing good will come from it. On the OTHER hand, I have an '07, and I'm pissed. Those of you who think I should thank my lucky stars that I have such a great bike can kiss my a$$. I DON"T have a great bike. I have a bike that, if I lived in Oklahoma, would be a great bike. I don't. I live in California, and I bought this bike to do - guess what - sport touring! And, in California (and Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, anywhere where I might actually RIDE it), that means mountains. It runs like crap in the mountains. So I feel like I got cheated.

I will use the same analogy I used before. If I financed the bike through Yamaha and stopped making my payments and told them "just wait for 6 months and I'll start making my payments again when I come up with a fix for my financial problems", they'd come and repossess the bike, and you all would say, I didn't live up to my end of the bargain, and it was justified. Well, Yamaha didn't live up to their end of the bargain. But I'm just supposed to wait for them to come up with a fix?

I can tell you this: If they had told me back in June that others had complained about the same problem, they were looking into it, and they would do their best to figure out what was up and would keep in touch- I'd feel alot different than I do now. What I got from Yamaha was "never heard of it" and "internet hysteria" and "no defect". Yamaha has stopped returning my calls. So, forgive me if my love affair with Yamaha has come to an end - but I will handle it in whatever way I feel like, and if you don't like it, tough s.

 

[mike25]

An engineer started this, so how about let's start with killing all the engineers?

I truly believe the engineers knew there could be problems down the road,

but the accountants seen an opportunity to save some money. Sometimes

they get away with it, this time they won't. It has already cost many sales,

and lost future sales.

 

[exskibum]

An engineer started this, so how about let's start with killing all the engineers?

I truly believe the engineers knew there could be problems down the road,

but the accountants seen an opportunity to save some money. Sometimes

they get away with it, this time they won't. It has already cost many sales,

and lost future sales.

Maybe, but my best guess is that it is likely related to trying to meet more and more stringent emissions standards, and that last minute attempts to meet those all but forced Yamaha to release the bike earlier than might have been best for the consumer -- whether they knew of a probability of failure or not. Is is a potential safety problem? I mean, if it happened at the wrong time, could it cost someone his life? (I don't know, since I haven't ridden one while it was bucking, but it sounds like it could be more than just an annoyance.) If it is, and if that's made known to Yamaha, that should get things moving at speed, might even be a means to repair machines already on the roads despite failure to meet all of the EPA certifications that might otherwise be in the way. Just guessing here.

I'd be very pissed if I bought a new bike and had the surging problem, especially since 90% of my riding is in the Calif mountains, so I agree with dgerharter. The engineer that started this thread had an '05 he crashed, and bought an '07 in the last week or so, if I read his crashing post correctly. (Not sure what to make of that, except to think that MAY make his suggested solution more than a bit premature, at least for him.) Again, I'd be pissed if my bike did this and ONLY manufacturer involvement would solve it -- since there doesn't seem to be a complete aftermarket fix or work around, like a PCIII.

It has almost certainly cost sales, and it has probably diminished the resale value of ALL our bikes, to the extent that this problem and the tick issue are in the public consciousness (and they don't limit that to the years that have the problem). I still think the best way to go is through Yamaha, and I think this forum is a valuable resource for putting together the hard evidence -- as a few have been doing, and as Warchild did with "Timex".

Hehehe -- and nice catch, mike25 -- I did forget to mention whiney gash accountants. :lol:

 

[evil_henchman]

I'm not a lawyer but I play one on the internet :lol:

I'm inclined to believe that really good lawyers are attracted to lawsuits when there's cash to be had and the more the better. Shocking and scandalous that anyone could think that way but I'm pretty sure it's true. So unless you've got a lawyer friend who's willing to go on a free crusade against Yamaha because he or she is so outrageed that some bikes are running shitty sometimes then, well, I think you're SOL because I don't think there's a pot-o-gold at the end of the rainbow on this one. And I have to agree, there's nothing like a lawsuit to make a company close ranks and deny a problem.

By the way, lawyers aren't the only ones attracted to cash.....

 

[OrangevaleFJR]

An engineer started this, so how about let's start with killing all the engineers?

I truly believe the engineers knew there could be problems down the road,

While this is possible, I find it doubtful. Engineers are under time frames and not all problems can be predicted in this type of environment. Quality Assurance tests both to identify problems, but mostly to ensure things are working as they should. They are under time restrictions too. Problems get by this process all the time in all industries especially when the problem is intermittent.

We do know from past experience that Yamaha stands behind their product and a process to address issues and get the fix out to the community. The tick, the topcase brackets, the TPS...all these are examples of Yamaha fixing the problems identified by the user community.

If you find a problem free motorcycle, you're in trouble. You must have died and gone to heaven. Well, maybe that's a good thing.

Frankly, my impression of Yamaha over the two years one month and 2 days of FJR ownership has been that:

[SIZE=18pt]Yamaha Rocks[/SIZE]

I would imagine some patience from newer FJR owners will result in the same impression.

I'm not a lawyer. I am an expert in manufacturing process, among other things.

Have faith in Yamaha everyone...they'll get it fixed.

 

[Hit the Road Jack]

From what I can gather from the magazines and other forums, Yamaha has an across-the-board issue with all of the '07 inline fours regarding throttle response!

R1 owners are getting the most notice and apparently Yamaha has issued a Tech Notice allowing ECU replacement (note - read of this, but not confirmed).

Ref. https://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2968501

I suspect that they are aware of the FJR issues, but have not yet released a fix.

I would personally recommend bombarding Yamaha (dealer, district, USA) with written complaints and documentation, per Warchild's suggestions instead of any Class Action Law Suits.

 

[twowheelnut]

Ya know, if it wasn't for the limp-wristed '06 owners wanking about, 'Oooh, my thottle is too stiff, waaaa! Ooooh, the throttle is herky-jerky, waaaaaa!', perhaps Yamaha would not have felt the need to dick around with the ECU programming and sensors. It's all the fault of the '06 owners!

SUE THE '06 OWNERS!!!!!



J/k... I bet that if you guys with the issue get together via PM's and draft a letter of concern, sign it en masse and send it off to Yamaha you'll prolly get a better response than complaining to us. Now, please excuse me as I just heard that the CHP has reopened San Marcos Pass after closing it due to the Zaca Fire and I think I need to go ride the mountains for a bit. Ta!

 

[Warchild]

From what I can gather from the magazines and other forums, Yamaha has an across-the-board issue with all of the '07 inline fours regarding throttle response!

This is a different issue than our altitude-surging problem, but HtRJ is correct in that Yamaha appears to have throttle response issues on at least three 2007 models: the FZ-1, the YZF-R1 and the FJR1300....

 

[exskibum]

Ya know, if it wasn't for the limp-wristed '06 owners wanking about, 'Oooh, my thottle is too stiff, waaaa! Ooooh, the throttle is herky-jerky, waaaaaa!', perhaps Yamaha would not have felt the need to dick around with the ECU programming and sensors. It's all the fault of the '06 owners!
SUE THE '06 OWNERS!!!!!

AMEN, Nut! We're gonna have to make you an honorary shyster for service to the profession er . . . business . . . in generating new opportunities to **** the unsuspecting. Gives me warm fuzzies all over. :clapping:

I bet that if you guys with the issue get together via PM's and draft a letter of concern, sign it en masse and send it off to Yamaha you'll prolly get a better response than complaining to us.

Kinda my thoughts too. I'll go one better: if some of you guys riding bucking, snorting, surging bikes want to bring them up to the Sierras, I'm sure a bunch of us regular Sierra riders (on earlier models) would be happy to swap with you long enough to get a taste of what you're complaining about and add to your en masse mailing -- as owners who damn well know that it isn't imaginary (after we've ridden a bucking beast) and isn't representative of what our earlier bikes are like. From what I've read, there's apparently a way to consistently reproduce this, and a way to reset it -- you bring that knowledge and your bikes, and we'll do a Feejer rodeo and mass letter signing to help you out.

 

[Bearly Flying]

So: How can you tell if a Lawyer is well hung??????

When you can't get a finger between the rope and his neck.......

 

[exskibum]

Thank you, Bearly. :lol:

THAT's more like it. Haven't heard that one before.

 

[ELP_JC]

Does anybody know for a fact that Yamaha has acknowledged this problem? Any proof?

Another failing grade in reading comprehension...

So yours must be reading incompetence. You even quoted my last 2 words. I said 'Any proof?', not 'insider' speculation on post #14; there was plenty of that with the overheating Wing problem, and nothing ever happened before I sold my bike one year and a half later. If problem is not officially acknowledged by Yamaha, it doesn't mean squat: it could be fixed tomorrow, next year, or never, because they never acknowledged anything. One more to the 'ignore' list (should have done it a while ago) to avoid a pissing contest here.

Any smart owner knows a dealer can't fix the problem, so unless looking to pursue legal action (lemon law, lawsuit), which I'm not, it'd be a total waste of time. I'd rate myself as 90% more patient than the other afflicted folks here, and I'm far from running out of patience, but everyone has a limit. If that time comes, knowing me, I'd probably just sell the damn thing and cut my losses, but if there's a good likelihood of success thru legal means, you bet your a$$ I'd try, and then deal with the BS requirements like dumping bike at dealer (and let it bake in the sun, rain...), etc. Good day folks.