2009 Slave Cylinder on a 2008

[TheBlueStreak]

I see that the lever pull hase been lightened up on the 2009. I have a 2008 and it is annoying when stuck in stop and go traffic. I know that some guys have put a 2005 slave cylinder on GEN II bikes and it has made a difference but what about getting the 2009 Slave Cylinder on any GEN II bike? Do you think it will make a difference to make the lever as light as that of the stock 2009?

Next year I was going to try this.

TheBlueStreak

 

[Bike Effects]

I see that the lever pull hase been lightened up on the 2009. I have a 2008 and it is annoying when stuck in stop and go traffic. I know that some guys have put a 2005 slave cylinder on GEN II bikes and it has made a difference but what about getting the 2009 Slave Cylinder on any GEN II bike? Do you think it will make a difference to make the lever as light as that of the stock 2009?
Next year I was going to try this.

TheBlueStreak

I'm betting it is the same as the 2009-2005 unit. Why would they build a new part when they already have it in stock?

 

[ELP_JC]

This is the first time I hear somebody complaining about clutch pull on the FJR, but maybe that was the side effect of fixing the '07's too-close-to-the-grip engagement. Possibly with a smaller slave, which would lenghten the throw (fixing our problem), but reducing the mechanical advantage (increasing pull). Maybe '09s have a bigger master now. Will follow you thread.

In the mean time, may I ask you if you've ridden an '07? What clutch differences did you notice? And does your clutch engages halfway on the stroke now, like it's supposed to? Thx.

JC

 

[AFCJER]

I think any clutch is annoying when stuck in traffic. My best experience yet was about a month ago after a Bears game. I spent an hour covering about 4 miles and was wondering why I didn't search for an AE. I spend a lot of time in traffic and would be interested in the lighter clutch but I doubt the improvement will be worth the cost to upgrade the parts. I'm looking forward to feeling the claimed improvement though and the cost to upgrade.

ELP_JC, My clutch had a "too-close-to-the-grip engagement" then I adjusted the numbered adjustment dial and now it works fine. I'm assuming your adjusted yours with no success?

 

[ELP_JC]

I'm assuming your adjusted yours with no success?

Yep. My lever is in the farthest setting (big hands here), and system has no air (bled it twice already).

Your statement tells me '08s have the problem fixed. My question is if by changing the master or slave cylinder. Probably the latter, but it'd be nice to hear confirmation. And if a new unit or a GenI slave. Take care.

JC

 

[HaulinAshe]

I really thought you guys would have found this in the Bin-O-Facts.

Replacing Gen-II slave with Gen-I thread

Complaints of excessive pull force on 06-07 have been around a long time. Some agree, some don't. It costs $65 and 30 minutes to find out for yourself.

I ordered a new slave the day I bought the bike. Could not wait for it to arrive. Love mine.

 

[Lake Powell]

I also did the GenI slave cylinder swap on my 07'. One other change I made was a stainless clutch line from Bike effects, it tightend it up as well, call Capt. Jeff!

Much happier!

Also piazzo levers help, IMO, also at Bike Effects.

 

[ELP_JC]

Hey Ash and Powell, may I ask you if the clutch engagement point traveled further to the grip with the new slave? I'd assume so since it has a bigger diamater, then reducing mechanical effort (what you wanted), but displacing the engagement point further to the grip (what I don't want). Seems like I'd need a new master cylinder as well.

Might leave it the way it is since I'm okay with pull effort, but HATE how close clutch engages to the grip; can't get used to it. All my bikes for the last 15 years always had the clutch engaging in the middle; old habits are hard to break, I guess. And it's the design, not my bike. Tried 3 '07s and all were exactly the same. Bike was bled with new fluid and no change. Thanks for your help.

JC

 

[TheBlueStreak]

The clutch starts to engage VERY soon off the grip not half way at all. The lever pull is harder than any bike I have owned, this being my 7th including 3 Goldwings. I have been talking to "haulinashe" and he told me about the 2005 slave working great. I was just wondering if a 2009 slave would be better since it's coming off a GEN II bike?

PS. I don't see ANY effect of lever stiffness when changing the little wheel to adjust the closeness of the lever to the grip

 

[SkooterG]

Might leave it the way it is since I'm okay with pull effort, but HATE how close clutch engages to the grip; can't get used to it. All my bikes for the last 15 years always had the clutch engaging in the middle; old habits are hard to break, I guess.

Hey JC - no offense man, but in other posts you say you have 800 miles on your FJR and you have had it almost a year. With that little of seat time on the FJR, you aren't going to get 'used' to anything. Ride the thing man!

I have been talking to "haulinashe" and he told me about the 2005 slave working great. I was just wondering if a 2009 slave would be better since it's coming off a GEN II bike?

TheBlueStreak - Dude. Just put the old slave cylinder in. I don't understand your quandry. You don't like the clutch pull and there is an easy fix for it. DO IT! We won't know what the changes for the 09 are for a while. And for all we know they will have gone back to the old part. There is no difference between Gen I and Gen II in the clutch except for that slave cylinder. Change it. You've got nothing to lose.

 

[wfooshee]

PS. I don't see ANY effect of lever stiffness when changing the little wheel to adjust the closeness of the lever to the grip

Ooh, the adjustment worked correctly. That's all it does, move the lever. It has nothing to do with the hydraulics or the effort, just the starting position of the lever.

 

[ELP_JC]

Hey JC - no offense man, but in other posts you say you have 800 miles on your FJR and you have had it almost a year. With that little of seat time on the FJR, you aren't going to get 'used' to anything.

None taken. I've had enough seat time to know it won't be easy to get used to it, but I eventually will, since it's my only bike now. And yes, being my only bike means more mileage as well. Hope the 'interrogation' is over . Later.

JC

 

[Lake Powell]

Hey Ash and Powell, may I ask you if the clutch engagement point traveled further to the grip with the new slave? I'd assume so since it has a bigger diamater, then reducing mechanical effort (what you wanted), but displacing the engagement point further to the grip (what I don't want). Seems like I'd need a new master cylinder as well.Might leave it the way it is since I'm okay with pull effort, but HATE how close clutch engages to the grip; can't get used to it. All my bikes for the last 15 years always had the clutch engaging in the middle; old habits are hard to break, I guess. And it's the design, not my bike. Tried 3 '07s and all were exactly the same. Bike was bled with new fluid and no change. Thanks for your help.

JC

ELP, The slave from the Gen I bikes is about 3mm greater in diameter that the Gen II, so with more surface area on the piston there is less effort to produce the force, albiet there is also less travel. But you probably already knew this. So ya the take up distance from the grip is a little closer but the pull reduction is well worth it, especially if you get caught in traffic. Try to reduce any expansion in the system with a real good bleed procedure.

And the change to the Galfer stainless steel flex line made a big difference, no ****.

 

[TheBlueStreak]

So just to clarify...With the 2005 Slave, the clutch will start engage fwith the lever further away from the grip???????

 

[Lake Powell]

So just to clarify...With the 2005 Slave, the clutch will start engage fwith the lever further away from the grip???????

Not quite, the clutch will begin engaging sooner as the clutch lever is released, or closer to the grip.

And I presume you are talking about just the mod to the Gen I slave cylinder, and nothing else, right?

 

[ELP_JC]

the clutch will begin engaging sooner as the clutch lever is released, or closer to the grip.

That's correct. And not the answer I wanted to hear. I always clutch and brake with 2 fingers, and have no problem with clutch (or brake) pull. And that's a good thing, since a GenI slave would probably make me hit my pinky and index fingers before fully disengaging the clutch. With the clutch lever all the way out, it barely disengages now. Oh well; better get used to it now. Thanks for the info buddy.

JC

 

[Lake Powell]

the clutch will begin engaging sooner as the clutch lever is released, or closer to the grip.

That's correct. And not the answer I wanted to hear. I always clutch and brake with 2 fingers, and have no problem with clutch (or brake) pull. And that's a good thing, since a GenI slave would probably make me hit my pinky and index fingers before fully disengaging the clutch. With the clutch lever all the way out, it barely disengages now. Oh well; better get used to it now. Thanks for the info buddy.

JC

I've always done that too, two finger clutch and brake.

Here's the fix, shorty Piazzo clutch lever from Bike Effects. Better ergonomics, easier and greater adjustment, and it will clear your ring and pinky finger.

Plus they look totally bitchin!