2013 -- different oil filter?

[Old Guy]

I've bought two Yamaha filters so far that were 115010 filters. But check out what I found on the Wix site. I know this will get sent to NEPRT very soon, but I just found it curious. The specs appear to be the same except the 51358 is about 5/8" shorter -- and it's black

 

[Bounce]

If we can confirm a different OEM number (instead of a possible internal after market administrative PN change), then we can add it to the Bin-O-Facts.

 

[Old Guy]

If we can confirm a different OEM number (instead of a possible internal after market administrative PN change), then we can add it to the Bin-O-Facts.

Obviously your call. Both filters are available. The specs (below) are very close except for the length. The 51358 would be just under 2 ounces less volume and presumably less filter area.

I'd say they're interchangeable, but I thought it was odd that Wix recommended different filters for the year models. Maybe they thought the black filter looks nicer on the gray bike

Hmmm, when trying to post with the image I get "You are not allowed to use that image extension on this community." The link is below if you want to see the specs side-by-side.

https://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p311/econes/wixComparo2_zps69accd7f.jpg

 

[Old Guy]

The plot thickens. Check the following two links out.

2012 model

https://www.yamahapartshouse.com/oemparts/a/yam/5004d79ff87002275461da69/oil-cooler

2013 model

https://www.yamahapartshouse.com/oemparts/a/yam/50732819f8700218e05b8864/oil-cooler

Different filter part numbers

 

[MCRIDER007]

The new short filter was discussed in an earlier thread and the short filter for the 2013 FJR is the same filter used in the Super Tenere (the Tenere needs a shorter filter because there is a clearance problem when Yamaha's engine guard is installed). I think Yamaha went to the short filter on the 2013 FJR just to give it more protection from road hazards but that seems to be a minority opinion. Yamaha still lists the long filter for the 2003-2012 FJRs. I just bought one of the short filters to carry as a spare under the seat.

 

[bwv]

2013 filter is Yamaha # 5GH-13440-20-00

2003 - 2012 filter isYamaha # 5JW-13440-00-00

The 2013 is visably shorter

The dealer included the short one with my 2012 when i bought it... I returned it for the longer one.

 

[Old Guy]

A appreciate the info. I tried searching and didn't find that. I think I'd prefer the longer one as well just for the additional volume. It probably doesn't matter, but ..........

 

[petey]

I'll keep using the longer filter for my gen III...

I had three gen II filtrs left.

 

[MCRIDER007]

I'll keep using the longer filter for my gen III...

I had three gen II filtrs left.

You are turning into a real risk taker..........

, if your engine fails at 300K you're going to wonder if using those GEN2 filters was the cause.

 

[Fred W]

This is pretty funny, really, and your prediction on post #1 is probably right about NEPRT-hood. But...

If one were to attempt to apply some logic, they might infer that a longer filter would have more filter media ( which is not necessarily true when dealing with varying manufacturers), and that having more filter media surface area would be an asset if/when they ran the oil filter long enough that the media was becoming partially clogged with filtered particulates.

But... how many of you anal retentive SOBs (I include myself in this subset, BTW) actually follow the owner and service manual's recommendation to only change the filter every other oil change? If not, then having a bigger filter is clearly a moot point.

I mean... when was the last time you heard of someone lunching their engine due to oil starvation?

BTW - The gen 1 oil filters are the superior choice. JSaNS

 

[petey]

I would absolutely be fine with either (long or short) filter, I'm just using up what's in stock...

Wonder if prices went up for shorter gen III filters?

 

[wfooshee]

My guess in that other thread, which was shot down, was that Yammy went for parts commonality across more bikes, standardizing on the short filter. Why have this one for that bike and that one for this bike? It would be interesting to see (but not worth my search time) to see how many other Yamaha bikes it's OEM on.

 

[Abercrombie FJR]

My guess in that other thread, which was shot down, was that Yammy went for parts commonality across more bikes, standardizing on the short filter. Why have this one for that bike and that one for this bike? It would be interesting to see (but not worth my search time) to see how many other Yamaha bikes it's OEM on.

I believe the 5JW-13440-00-00 is the same filter called for on My Tenere, my abused FZ1 and the son’s R6. I’m thinking your right about the standardization of filters to simplify and reduce inventory.

 

[Old Guy]

I would absolutely be fine with either (long or short) filter, I'm just using up what's in stock...

Wonder if prices went up for shorter gen III filters?

The shorter Wix filter is, indeed, cheaper than the longer Wix filter

I haven't priced both filters at the same dealership, but I bought a shorter one in my home town for $14.91 and the longer one at another dealer for $9.71. In the links I posted above, the shorter filter is $1.13 higher -- not enough to worry about, but weird, sort of.

 

[Old Guy]

This is pretty funny, really, and your prediction on post #1 is probably right about NEPRT-hood. But...
If one were to attempt to apply some logic, they might infer that a longer filter would have more filter media ( which is not necessarily true when dealing with varying manufacturers), and that having more filter media surface area would be an asset if/when they ran the oil filter long enough that the media was becoming partially clogged with filtered particulates.

But... how many of you anal retentive SOBs (I include myself in this subset, BTW) actually follow the owner and service manual's recommendation to only change the filter every other oil change? If not, then having a bigger filter is clearly a moot point.

I mean... when was the last time you heard of someone lunching their engine due to oil starvation?

BTW - The gen 1 oil filters are the superior choice. JSaNS

Not me. If I change the oil, I change the filter.

 

[Bounce]

I change the filter every time and I don't use Wix.

I look at it as a personal choice but be sure to document it in your service folder so that I'm educated when looking to buy your used bike.

 

[LAF]

I change the filter every time and I don't use Wix.
I look at it as a personal choice but be sure to document it in your service folder so that I'm educated when looking to buy your used bike.

Wix oil filters are one of the best rated filter on any filter site you visit. It is a very high quality filter. While I use Mobile 1 and Bosch, I would use a wix filter no worries.

Not sure if you are kidding or really serious but a wix is a very well made filter.

 

[Fred W]

The underlying question here is not what is the best aftermarket filter to use, or whether that practice is acceptable, but rather whether the new OEM filter is actually any different functionally other than the obvious change in length.

I do not know the answer to that, but considering that the oil pump (and the rest of the engine for that matter) is essentially the same as prior years it wouldn't make sense that they have changed the operating specs on the oil filter. The one possible exception would be if they had realized some shortcoming of the prior version, which doesn't anecdotally seem to be the case.

 

[petey]

I change the filter every time and I don't use Wix.
I look at it as a personal choice but be sure to document it in your service folder so that I'm educated when looking to buy your used bike.

+1 .....Most likely some after market filters will do a good job, but I prefer to use OEM filters...and allways have.