C&C
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I would check the airbox and the air filter first (or exhaust restriction). Don't the newer models (I have an '04) have electronic throttle; maybe check to see if it is opening (all the way).
2015 FJR1300 real-world engine/trans "break-in" question:
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thewrenchbender
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Thanks to all for your input.
Nothing in the airbox:
Only local dyno is at a dealership that went Milwaukee Iron Only last year. Spoke with the service writer this morning-asked if they would pretty please do a baseline run on my "import". Tuning guy wasn't in yet, said they would talk to him and give me a call. Sounded like since it was 100% box stock driveline-wise they might do it.
Thanks for the reminder about Honda East, they are about an hour away, but definitely an option. Bought the only new vehicle I have ever owned from them in '87. Useta buy single-cam 750 Honda parts from them way back when they were actually to the "east" of Toledo.
First clue I had was that after figuring out the tip-in (which by the way is a lot smoother/more consistent than my '08) and getting comfy seemed to be hitting the up-stop. A lot. Which I did quite often on the old bike, but most times intentionally.
And in case I didn't make it clear, it pulls to the limiter in 1st-3rd, but hangs in 4th just shy of where it needs to be. Feels 100% like a bike that is just plain hitting the wall.
Nothing in the airbox:
Only local dyno is at a dealership that went Milwaukee Iron Only last year. Spoke with the service writer this morning-asked if they would pretty please do a baseline run on my "import". Tuning guy wasn't in yet, said they would talk to him and give me a call. Sounded like since it was 100% box stock driveline-wise they might do it.
Thanks for the reminder about Honda East, they are about an hour away, but definitely an option. Bought the only new vehicle I have ever owned from them in '87. Useta buy single-cam 750 Honda parts from them way back when they were actually to the "east" of Toledo.
First clue I had was that after figuring out the tip-in (which by the way is a lot smoother/more consistent than my '08) and getting comfy seemed to be hitting the up-stop. A lot. Which I did quite often on the old bike, but most times intentionally.
And in case I didn't make it clear, it pulls to the limiter in 1st-3rd, but hangs in 4th just shy of where it needs to be. Feels 100% like a bike that is just plain hitting the wall.
El Toro Joe
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Just bring it up to Owosso for tech day...I'm sure that Andy can get that all straightened out for ya...
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Danny G
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My 14 seems noticeably different than my 09. It seems stronger. Felt much better after 10,000 miles. I tend to be over easy on the break in. Roll on from any gear and from stoplights with my Saturday morning group seems to also support my thoughts.
rushes
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It'll never be as fast as an 08. That was the fastest year. You're just spoiled.
I think you should try to find an old guy that doesn't care if the 15 can't redline in 4th and might be willing to trade you even for a clean low mile 08.
I think you should try to find an old guy that doesn't care if the 15 can't redline in 4th and might be willing to trade you even for a clean low mile 08.
Sorry but this ^^ is BS. (and I know that Russ is kidding , but you might not)
The bike should be every bit as fast as an '09 (or any other year) by any standard.
If it isn't, yours is broke. Get it fixt.
The bike should be every bit as fast as an '09 (or any other year) by any standard.
If it isn't, yours is broke. Get it fixt.
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thewrenchbender
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Ok. Was able to make a couple phone calls and sneak onto the "local" dyno a couple hours ago. Is a dynojet "inertial" unit, did not get the model.
As I mentioned is a non-import only shop now, but Google came to the rescue with "gray/red" as the coil/tach source.
Came in at 125-128hp/88-90tq consistently. Not familiar with inertial dynos, so have no idea if this is an "average" FJR number or not.
Of course, had no problem pulling to the limiter through 5th, but was "unloaded"...
Tech asked me if he could take it for a ride. Said it pulled hard through "all the gears".
Confirmed on the way home that it still hung at 8500-8600 in 4th gear. Did have about 15 mph wind on the nose, bags on, did not make a repeat run in the other direction.
As I mentioned is a non-import only shop now, but Google came to the rescue with "gray/red" as the coil/tach source.
Came in at 125-128hp/88-90tq consistently. Not familiar with inertial dynos, so have no idea if this is an "average" FJR number or not.
Of course, had no problem pulling to the limiter through 5th, but was "unloaded"...
Tech asked me if he could take it for a ride. Said it pulled hard through "all the gears".
Confirmed on the way home that it still hung at 8500-8600 in 4th gear. Did have about 15 mph wind on the nose, bags on, did not make a repeat run in the other direction.
HotRodZilla
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125-128bhp is very close to what other dyno runs have seen at the rear wheel. It's making power, I just don't get why it's "hanging" at 8500-8600 in 4th. I've bounced mine off the rev-limiter more than once in 4th gear, by accident, as it's not hard to do. I've never hit the limiter in 5th, but I don't know if anyone has.
Are you sure you are really at full throttle and aren't just chickening out? No shame in that, so don't take it as a dig. WFO in 4th, at red line, is pretty 'effing fast. With full HP on a dyno, no idea why you're getting that lag. Since I'm on my phone, I don't know your location, but I'm thinking your altitude isn't a factor. I live at 5100ft, and all my "fast" runs have been anywhere from 5000ft, all the way to 11,000 ft.
The dragging brakes someone mentioned earlier was a good idea. How's your tire pressure? No offense, but are you over 300lbs?
Are you sure you are really at full throttle and aren't just chickening out? No shame in that, so don't take it as a dig. WFO in 4th, at red line, is pretty 'effing fast. With full HP on a dyno, no idea why you're getting that lag. Since I'm on my phone, I don't know your location, but I'm thinking your altitude isn't a factor. I live at 5100ft, and all my "fast" runs have been anywhere from 5000ft, all the way to 11,000 ft.
The dragging brakes someone mentioned earlier was a good idea. How's your tire pressure? No offense, but are you over 300lbs?
Redfish Hunter
Gone Fishing
I cannot help but wonder with the throttle by wire if the butterflies are going fully open. While I agree with 'Zilla that those horsepower numbers are right in line with what we should expect, something is not right somewhere. I have not tried to redline mine above 3rd but it pulls every bit as hard as Dear Old Dad's '07 up to that point. Is it possible that Mother Yamaha has limited the top speed of this thing and none of us found it because we are too tame nowadays?
HotRodZilla
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thewrenchbender
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No offense taken. Am 74" 185lbs. Tire pressure front and rear is slightly in excess of the "recommended" numbers. Local elevation is approx 700-800 MSL. No hot brakes.
Would be a totally different thing (in my mind anyway) if I hadn't just put 15k miles on my '08. And I hear you (again no offense taken) but occasionally (allegedly) pin the throttle on an '08 throttle-by-wire YZF-R1 to the shift light (and usually into the limiter). That definitely took some getting used to.
Once it warms up need to stick the R1 owner on my FJR and see what he sees/feels. He hasn't been on this one yet.
escapefjrtist
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Typical numbers for a good running FJR. Your 15 mph head wind...yeah, that'll make a difference as will the bags.
Where does the bike run out of steam in 5th?
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thewrenchbender
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Seems to maintain from 4th to 5th and back to 4th. Have not done a pull on the road in 5th. It saw 9000+ on the dyno in 5th. Outside air temp needs to get back up a little for me to try it.
And in generic FYI mode: the service writer at the shop was pretty disgusted by the condition of my bike-"do you off-road on this thing?". "No sir, just have a gravel driveway and don't wait for it to dry out to go riding." After the dyno tech took it out and beat on it-"Da#*. Makes me want to get another Jap bike".
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LittleJon
Farting Brisket Sprinkles
What is your speed, 4th gear@8600RPM? Serious question, because I haven't started mine in almost 2 months, and I can't test it out myself.
This past summer, I took her out for the first strong feeler ride. Once I hit 144, she hung up until I lowered the windshield. She jumped to 149, and I chickened out.
This past summer, I took her out for the first strong feeler ride. Once I hit 144, she hung up until I lowered the windshield. She jumped to 149, and I chickened out.
rushes
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I wish there was a road around here straight enough to redline 4th gear.
I bet it's fun....
I bet it's fun....
LittleJon
Farting Brisket Sprinkles
Ha friggin ha.
Go ahead. Kick me while I'm down. I'd happily take a straight road right now.
Go ahead. Kick me while I'm down. I'd happily take a straight road right now.
wheatonFJR
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Been at redline in 5th in the straight Illinois roads back a few years. Ho hum. Only scared to get thrown in jail.
I've had more butt pucker going 40mph on some local twisty roads.
It would be fun to hit the dragstrip like Mr. Beam does, though... 'Cept do it on an R1 maybe?
I've had more butt pucker going 40mph on some local twisty roads.
It would be fun to hit the dragstrip like Mr. Beam does, though... 'Cept do it on an R1 maybe?
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thewrenchbender
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142 indicated/137 GPS. Is quite a bit more accurate than my 2nd Gen was.
Have been discussing it with my wife (working on 32 years-she is well aware of my habits) she thinks the V-Stream on this one is quite a bit wider than my old one. It is slightly taller. Will see if I can find some dimensions and compare.
The one I took off was maybe after-market? Was considerably smaller, had FJR etched in one corner. Gets back into the warm weather will throw it back on and see if there is a difference.
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