3 feet of rain predicted for northern CA

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Does that mean southern oregon is going to get some rain, too? Three feet of rain? You actually mean, 3 inches, right? Shoulda bought stock in galoshes and umbrellas......

be safe out there, kids....

 
Call me: Doubting Tom...

Three feet of rain? Really? :blink:

Do you realize what three feet of rain would be like?

Every inch of rainfall typically raises the water level in ground water (rivers lakes and streams) by about a foot.

It would be the precipitation equivalent of 30 feet of snow.

Has three feet of rain ever fallen in one location in one storm? Not in the absence of a cyclone or hurricane.

Thomas logging out.
Oh ye of little faith, I certainly hope the forecasters are wrong but if these mega monster pacific storms stall over the mountains it can rain like you would not believe. Not one single storm but but a series of storms over the next 5 days.

As I stated we had 29 inches over 4 days back in the 80's so after that I believe it can happen. I do remember in the winter of 82-83 when Sugarbowl ski resort west of Lake Tahoe had over 850 total inches of snow.
They're referring to this phenomenon of a relatively narrow band of heavy rain as an "atmospheric river". It's something like 3 storms lined up over 5 days -- out of the Hawaiian area of the Pacific.

Fred's right that an inch of rain equates to roughly 10" of snow, give or take a couple inches due to temperature and moisture content variations. But Doug's right in talking about Sugar Bowl's snowfall totals. (I've had numerous seasons passes at Sugar Bowl, Alpine Meadows and Squaw Valley over the decades.) These are on the Pacific Crest, and you have to remember that the Sierras poach the atmospheric moisture first -- before it gets to the rest of the country. I remember Alpine Meadows still having a 30 foot base in June one year, open until July 4. I used to live in the lee of Alpine Meadows on the west shore of Lake Tahoe, and once got ~5 feet in one afternoon.

It's not for nothing that Sacramento's aging levee system is ranked first or second in the country for disaster potential now. The really scary scenario is a heavy but warm storm front (high snow level like this) hitting a substantial snow pack later in the season and adding the melt run-off to the otherwise heavy rain run-off. 3 feet in 5 days sounds like a lot, and I really don't expect to see it, but I wouldn't say that's impossible here.

Now, it's a fair comment that the weather guessers have been wrong more often than they are right, esp. with respect to quantitative amounts. (For those who remember Pete Giddings on TV out of the Bay Area, his snow reports were almost legendary among Tahoe locals as a joke -- he'd report 5 feet had fallen and we'd wonder aloud if he was measuring the berms thrown up by the plows.)

 
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I have yet to see an accurate "4 feet of rain" prediction yet. Makes good news fodder. That's about all.

 
Sounds like SacMike better cozy up with Tyler and her big boat then...
Not sure how Ms Tyler is going to feel about that
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If we could stretch out the 3' over about 2 or 3 weeks, we'd love to have it. It'd go a long way toward helping break our 3 year drought.

 
Ladybug and I went out for a drive today as the rain let up for a while. I doubt we will reach the 36 inches as predicted however it has rained a lot. Here is Englebright Dam on the Yuba River today. This is a sediment dam so the spillway is over the top. Normally the water is below the top and workers can walk across the top through theman sized holes you see in the divisions. Quite impressive and loud too.

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Call me: Doubting Tom...

Three feet of rain? Really?
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Do you realize what three feet of rain would be like?

Every inch of rainfall typically raises the water level in ground water (rivers lakes and streams) by about a foot.

It would be the precipitation equivalent of 30 feet of snow.

Has three feet of rain ever fallen in one location in one storm? Not in the absence of a cyclone or hurricane.

Thomas logging out.
Oh ye of little faith, I certainly hope the forecasters are wrong but if these mega monster pacific storms stall over the mountains it can rain like you would not believe. Not one single storm but but a series of storms over the next 5 days.

As I stated we had 29 inches over 4 days back in the 80's so after that I believe it can happen. I do remember in the winter of 82-83 when Sugarbowl ski resort west of Lake Tahoe had over 850 total inches of snow.
They're referring to this phenomenon of a relatively narrow band of heavy rain as an "atmospheric river". It's something like 3 storms lined up over 5 days -- out of the Hawaiian area of the Pacific.
Fred's right that an inch of rain equates to roughly 10" of snow, give or take a couple inches due to temperature and moisture content variations. But Doug's right in talking about Sugar Bowl's snowfall totals. (I've had numerous seasons passes at Sugar Bowl, Alpine Meadows and Squaw Valley over the decades.) These are on the Pacific Crest, and you have to remember that the Sierras poach the atmospheric moisture first -- before it gets to the rest of the country. I remember Alpine Meadows still having a 30 foot base in June one year, open until July 4. I used to live in the lee of Alpine Meadows on the west shore of Lake Tahoe, and once got ~5 feet in one afternoon.

It's not for nothing that Sacramento's aging levee system is ranked first or second in the country for disaster potential now. The really scary scenario is a heavy but warm storm front (high snow level like this) hitting a substantial snow pack later in the season and adding the melt run-off to the otherwise heavy rain run-off. 3 feet in 5 days sounds like a lot, and I really don't expect to see it, but I wouldn't say that's impossible here.

Now, it's a fair comment that the weather guessers have been wrong more often than they are right, esp. with respect to quantitative amounts. (For those who remember Pete Giddings on TV out of the Bay Area, his snow reports were almost legendary among Tahoe locals as a joke -- he'd report 5 feet had fallen and we'd wonder aloud if he was measuring the berms thrown up by the plows.)
Rich's comment on warm rain on the snow pack is what hit Yosemite starting with torrential rain on New Year's Eve, 1996. Water flow measurements were only estimated as the Merced River was so high over the level of the instrumentation it was impossible to know for sure what the water levels really were. There are still signs on some of the trees that show how high the water crested, and in some cases it looks to have been 5-6' higher than the roadbed level.

There was a cool video taken from Glacier Point that was made using time-lapse still photography, and you could see that the snow pack melted by 10's of feet in just a day or two, but I can't find the link now. The link below is an interesting series of videos put together to show the destructive power of that kind of warm winter rain.

https://www.nps.gov/yose/photosmultimedia/floods-96-97.htm

Sure hope nothing like this happens over the weekend. Everybody stay dry!!

 

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