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OrangevaleFJR

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EDIT: Geza gear went above and beyond to fix any problems I had and I consider myself a satisfied customer. See this thread:

https://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=19111

I found that the flip side of this problem was that I ordered a cover that was too small for use with a topcase. Their sizing chart didn't list the FJR as an XL with topcase.

 
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thanks for the heads up. i've sent them an email:

hi there,

just read a post on the fjr forum on your lack of response to a riding brother of mine, andrew/sherri knight. can you let me know when you make his order right, so i'll know when i can take you off my avoid purchase list?

thx,"

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By the way, you can make (or have made) your own GEZA cover at a fraction of the price.

I owned a green ninja a few years back, and i couldnt find a GEZA dealer, sop my wife made a fitted cover for me. You can buy different color bathingsuit material (womens) which is essentially the same stuff, at any fabric store. Plus mine had fitted pockets for the mirrors, and the overall cut was twice as good a "one size fits all" that GEZA uses.

 
thanks for the heads up. i've sent them an email:
hi there,

just read a post on the fjr forum on your lack of response to a riding brother of mine, andrew/sherri knight. can you let me know when you make his order right, so i'll know when i can take you off my avoid purchase list?

thx,"

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Sorry to hear about your poor service. Thanks for the heads up as I was looking last night to purchase a cover for my new bike. If anyone has any imput on a good quality cover that will hold up to some wind on the back of my motorhome, please let me know. Has anyone purchased the one from Yamaha.

Sorry Geza, not buying from you!!!!

 
Really sorry to hear about this Andrew. I have a Geza cover which I bought to cover the FJR while it was riding in the back of my pickup. Did about a 5,000 mile rounder and have always been very pleased with the cover in all respects. I bought it (at a premium price) primarily based on the happy customer comments I got from other FJR riders/Geza owners on this and other forums...

Monday AM / Friday PM syndrome affects all Manufacturers, but they should make it right - quickly - when such an exception to their usually good quality is brought to their attention. Geza may be very surprised by the positive and/or negative impact of a post such as yours.

Keep us posted!

 
Has anyone purchased the one from Yamaha.
I have a Yamaha cover. It is much heavier duty than the "stretch" covers, in fact so much so that I don't use it when travelling. I'd use it when trailering the bike behind your motorhome.

I have a "no-name" stretchy-cover I use when on trips and a cheap, light weight cover I carry and use at my work parking spot.

 
I have had great experiences with Geza , from advice to customer service. I guess my college coach was right, do 99 things right but everyone will remember the one thing you did wrong.

 
I have had great experiences with Geza , from advice to customer service. I guess my college coach was right, do 99 things right but everyone will remember the one thing you did wrong.
If it was one thing, I wouldn't have been upset. It was 4 things. First, not doing something in the first place and making us inquire, then second and third not calling back twice and then 4th they ignored my email. Wait...5 things! They sold me a defective product. So in my case, your coach was wrong and I'm gonna remember it! :lol:

 
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Just curious Andrew... what was wrong with the cover that made you send it back?

 
Sorry you've had the bad experience because I had a great experience with them.

I looked in your copy of the e-mail, but don't see it. Did you get an RMA number before you sent the cover back in?

 
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Just curious Andrew... what was wrong with the cover that made you send it back?
I used the product on four trips. Each trip was at least three days long, and one was two weeks long so it got used, but only about 20 times at most.

The first problem was that it lost its elasticity and in doing so would drop tiny pieces of rubber on my bike when I used the cover. Being dust proof is nice, but it doesn't help much when the cover dusts your bike with fine particulates of rubber. At first I thought this was perhaps not a problem and that it would simply work itself in. It got worse. The fabric ended up losing all of the elasticity in areas where it stretched and lost it's shape.

The water repellence of the product also went out the window with the elasticity. The first 1/2 of the use I got was great. It fit, it repelled most of the water and I was happy. Then the fit was lost and water came through like the cover was designed to collect water and deposit it on my seat.

I had the sports classic plus warranty

https://www.gezagear.com/warranty.htm

Sorry you've had the bad experience because I had a great experience with them.
I looked in your copy of the e-mail, but don't see it. Did you get an RMA number before you sent the cover back in?
No, my wife did. Before she mailed it back she called them and they did all that stuff.

For all those that have had such a great experience, how many of you have had to get a cover replaced? If you haven't, then it's hardly comparable is it? I mean, if I hadn't had a problem with the product in the first place, I would have never had this negative experience.

 
O'vale, as I read your post at 20:24, 4.7.07, I see reader 'Geza Gear' is online and reading. I hope they do you right. I too am in the immediate market to purchase a light weight, stowable cover and won't consider Geza until this issue is remedied.

edited to fix many typos

 
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Thanks for the level-headed informative post OV, this gets filed under 'no-no this dude' in the old noggin.

 
We received a warranty claim from Sherry Knight and issued her a WA # on 12-07-06. Warranty Authorization Numbers are good for 30 days. After that time if the cover is not received by us, the WA # is automatically deleted from the system and a new number must be generated to reference the claim.

We received the returned cover on February 16 and we placed a call to the customer to issue a new warranty authorization number. The customer called back on February 20 and we updated the account.

We reviewed the customer's warrantied cover and found that she ordered a size Large in December 2005, which is designed to fit over sidebags and not a topcase. The cover that was returned to us had clear indications and wear that it was fitted over sidebags and a topcase. This would cause extra stress and wear on the back portion of the cover which is what resulted. A call was placed to the customer on February 23 indicating our finding and that the wrong size cover was ordered and used and that a size XL was the correct size for the bike with it's luggage components. Even though we were not at fault with the customer ordering the wrong size cover we were willing to exchange it for a "XL" and the customer just had to pay the difference.

I am showing Sherry phoned our office three times and that two additional phone calls were returned by us, but we are not showing any resolution as to how the customer wants us to proceed.

We never received a single phone call from Andrew Knight, who is the recipient of the cover and assumably the one who needs to make the decision as to how we should proceed. Further, the only e-mail we received from him was on this past Tuesday, April 3rd, and I am just responding to it now as our office was closed from Tuesday, April 3rd to Friday, April 6th due to the sudden death of a member of our staff.

I am responding to his only e-mail and his post because that is what we do and have done for over ten years. We are not only in the business of making a quality product but also in quality customer service.

In the Knight's case, there certainly could have been miscommunication and missed phone calls, but we always take care of our customers, regardless. For us to simply ignore his warranty issue would be rather silly and pointless.

As with everything there is always two sides to every story and most issues are not as dire and bleak as one may project. In the over 10 years we have been in business, we have maintained a AAA excellent standing with the BBB and with our customers.

Whenever you come across a negative post about any company, remember that no matter how flat you make a pancake, there are always two sides. And before coming to any conclusions, judgments or frantic e-mail writing, always wait to hear how the company and the customer responds. In most cases, as in this one, you will find that there was just much ado about nothing and that everything is really just fine.

Further, Andrew states that we do not have the correct "size" listed on our website to accommodate his topcase. He is incorrect. If you go to our Size Guide, you will see that a size Large is listed to accommodate sidebags. We do NOT have any listings for a XL to fit over a topcase because we do NOT make a XL to fit over an FJR with a topcase. For Mr. Knight to assume a Large will fit over a topcase when it clearly lists a Large as fitting over sidebags is in his error. If he was unsure of the proper size for his bike and luggage configuration, he simply had to call or e-mail us for clarification. But to later admit to ordering the wrong size cover and then blame us for not having a XL listed as the correct size is simply wrong on his part. If a customer has an FJR with sidebags AND a topcase, we have a special custom pattern "XL" with which to make a cover from. He simply had to inquire with us instead of assume.

Despite all of this, we will of course take care of Mr. Knight's cover, he just needs to communicate to us how he wants us to proceed. He can even contact me on Monday at the number below.

The bottom line is that though we strive to provide excellent customer service, the Knight's failed to receive it, and for that there is no excuse and we are responsible. If we dropped the ball and failed to return phone calls, that is unacceptable and I personally apologize for that error. It is not enough for us to have a 99.99% excellent customer satisfaction rating because that .01% that we missed is still a person, and it is never our intention to leave one person with a negative experience when dealing with us.

I am not writing this because it has now been posted on forums and we need to take action. I am writing this because I and our office just got back in town, Saturday, and this is my first learning of the issue and my first chance to address it. Further, it is simply the right thing to do and what should have been done from the very beginning.

For the Knights troubles, I am willing to give them a new True Custom FJR Cover at no additional cost. We will even pay for all shipping fees. While I realize this has not been a pleasant experience for them, I am hoping that they will see our willingness to make amends for our lack of proper follow up. Despite the fact that he admittedly ordered and used the wrong size cover on his bike for one year which created the wear problems, is of no consequence to us. What ultimately matters is his experience in dealing with our company. And to that end we will do whatever it takes to restore his faith and confidence in us.

Sincerely,

Mike Smith

Sales Manager

Geza Gear Inc.

703.327.9844 office

703.327.9874 fax

www.gezagear.com

[email protected]

 
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I could be way off base here, but I personally do not consider publicly disputing a customer's perception of poor service, especially in front of a group with whom he's well respected, to be "quality customer service".

"The customer is always right.......unless you can publicly discredit him"

Be sure and let us know how that works out for you and Geza Gear in the long run, Mike, and welcome to the forum!

 
I got their emails tonight after I posted on forums. They are willing to resolve the issue in a manner acceptable to me, although I'm not going to go for it. Yep, I used a topcase a few times so there is the other side of the pancake. As they said in tonight's email, every pancake has two sides. I'll edit my initial post...apparently it wasn't a defective and the sizing I picked was wrong for my application.

I suppose they should mark the FJR as XL with Topcase in their sizing charts so there isn't any question. The logic I used was that the XL was big enough for the Gold Wing and K1200LT so it would probably be too big for the FJR even with a topcase. I guessed wrong, and I would ask that they put the FJR with Topcase in the XL column on their sizing chart.

It chaps my *** that this is now a "you said I said" thing about calls that weren't returned. I guess I'll leave it up to whoever reads this to determine whether I got called, or Sherri got called twice as they said. Why not just say, "oops, we screwed up, we're sorry."

I'll edit my initial post...apparently it wasn't a defective and the sizing I picked was wrong for my application.

 
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