Adjusting brake pedal

[user 213]

There's nothing wrong with the Yamaha ABS.

ABS sux as a general thing. It's a crutch. It's almost always doing things exactly when you don't want it to. When taking a MC track day course at Willow Springs, one of the first units of instruction is on how to brake. The instructors inform the riders the what, when and where of braking, then you spend a short amount of time practicing before heading onto the track. They tell the riders with ABS to do the best they can with what they have because it's clearly not as good at scrubbing energy as a hefty set of manual binders. In my Evo, I've installed a switch to turn ABS off. I use it whenever I'm throwing her around in anger and the results are dramatic.

Maybe Yami has good ABS in so far as ABS goes, but ABS sux.

W2

That's an interesting opinion W2. Threshold braking on the track is one thing, riding in the real world another. Show me anyone that thinks they can out brake ABS, and I'll show you someone that thinks they get more than one try at it. The real world doesn't give you second attempts.

In 109k, I've never had the ABS kick in when it shouldn't. I've had it kick in when I mis-read the conditions. I've had it kick in in snow, sand, etc. It's never caused me any extra stress. ABS is threshold braking.

 

[buf2phx]

There's nothing wrong with the Yamaha ABS.

ABS sux as a general thing. It's a crutch. It's almost always doing things exactly when you don't want it to. When taking a MC track day course at Willow Springs, one of the first units of instruction is on how to brake. The instructors inform the riders the what, when and where of braking, then you spend a short amount of time practicing before heading onto the track. They tell the riders with ABS to do the best they can with what they have because it's clearly not as good at scrubbing energy as a hefty set of manual binders. In my Evo, I've installed a switch to turn ABS off. I use it whenever I'm throwing her around in anger and the results are dramatic.

Maybe Yami has good ABS in so far as ABS goes, but ABS sux.

W2

That's an interesting opinion W2. Threshold braking on the track is one thing, riding in the real world another. Show me anyone that thinks they can out brake ABS, and I'll show you someone that thinks they get more than one try at it. The real world doesn't give you second attempts.

In 109k, I've never had the ABS kick in when it shouldn't. I've had it kick in when I mis-read the conditions. I've had it kick in in snow, sand, etc. It's never caused me any extra stress. ABS is threshold braking.

+1 on that. When the "oh ****" moment hits it's nice to have some computerized assistance. I haven't had mine kick in yet,but I managed to lock the rear wheel on my Seca a few times. Pucker factor increases quickly when you realize that screeching rubber noise is coming from your bike.

Mike

 

[Wee Willy]

That's an interesting opinion W2. Threshold braking on the track is one thing, riding in the real world another. Show me anyone that thinks they can out brake ABS, and I'll show you someone that thinks they get more than one try at it. The real world doesn't give you second attempts.
In 109k, I've never had the ABS kick in when it shouldn't. I've had it kick in when I mis-read the conditions. I've had it kick in in snow, sand, etc. It's never caused me any extra stress. ABS is threshold braking.

Ah yes, well it depends on how you drive I guess. In the Evo I encounter ABS routinely and have gotten quite adept at stepping around it (release some pressure, back on it again, etc.). For track days, I turn it off because its effects slow me down (remember, the middle pedal wins races!!). One of the things that I really had to think about some before acquiring the feej was the ABS thing. I pulled the trigger despite my misgivings, but one of the first things I did was to take the bike to a little seldom traveled road here'bouts and characterize the effect. And the effect is troublesome. The bike does not stop as hard as it is capable of doing. Now, I don't drive the feej like I drive the Evo (foot's in the Evo about 80% of the time...fun car BTW. I think it's the most fun for the money on 4 street legal wheels). But I do like all the capability the bike has if/when I need it and with ABS I don't get it.

ABS is close to threshold braking. Closer than most folks care to try to get. What it does buy you is 100% attention that can partially fill in for those times when the loose nut behind the bars isn't completely plugged in.

Wonder what Rossi thinks about ABS? BTW, on the track days I'm referring to, the ABS-equipped bikes are not competitive.

Cheers,

W2

 

[ShinyPartsUp]

shiny,
i used some honda moly 60 paste.

isuftin,

your welcome glad we could help ya out!

cadman

ty!

 

[buf2phx]

That's an interesting opinion W2. Threshold braking on the track is one thing, riding in the real world another. Show me anyone that thinks they can out brake ABS, and I'll show you someone that thinks they get more than one try at it. The real world doesn't give you second attempts.
In 109k, I've never had the ABS kick in when it shouldn't. I've had it kick in when I mis-read the conditions. I've had it kick in in snow, sand, etc. It's never caused me any extra stress. ABS is threshold braking.

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Wonder what Rossi thinks about ABS? BTW, on the track days I'm referring to, the ABS-equipped bikes are not competitive.

Cheers,

W2

I guess the question would be whether it is the ABS bikes, or their riders that are not competitive? I've never ridden on the track,but I'm pretty sure that technique and skill are more important than hardware.

Mike

 

[user 213]

ABS is close to threshold braking. Closer than most folks care to try to get. What it does buy you is 100% attention that can partially fill in for those times when the loose nut behind the bars isn't completely plugged in.
Wonder what Rossi thinks about ABS? BTW, on the track days I'm referring to, the ABS-equipped bikes are not competitive.

Cheers,

W2

There are good and bad ABS systems. I didn't like the Mitsu ABS. Seems to kick in way too soon and annoyingly when only one wheel out of four is marginalized to a low threshold. The Corvette ABS on the other hand is pretty stinking good. It really does take it to the limit of tire adhesion before kicking in.

I've spent some time on the track too, and spend a fair amount of time practicing threshold braking. I have to say, it really kills me when ever someone references Rossi or any professional rider. Those guys are amazingly skilled, but that's not the street. Rossi won't ride on the street at all. (except the odd scooter ride) Says it's too dangerous. He has a point, why should he risk his career over it?

on the track days I'm referring to, the ABS-equipped bikes are not competitive.

Really? How interesting. Tell that to the safety steward at your next track day. Bet you $5 you never see track time that day. :lol:

Track days are not racing. And racing isn't the street. Track days are great for learning skills and practicing a variety of things, but on the street, stuff happens w/o you getting more laps to figure it out and do it right. I'm just saying that your goals during a track day may be different from other riders goals. Not to mention the skill level varies widely, even within the same group.

Even the best rider can't beat ABS on a single pass event. That's been documented a few times by various bike magazines. Oh sure, after 10 passes they can work up to a shorter stopping time. But not on a wet course across a manhole cover.

ABS is a tool. It's not an excuse to not learn how to brake correctly, though some may use it that way. In fact, it can be used to learn to brake better. After all, you have a cushion built in. You screw up and over brake, instead of full lock up and possibly out of control, the ABS just kicks in.

 

[Harald]

Just a warning to you brake pedal adjusters - check the brake light switch after any pedal adjustments or you may end up with a brake light stuck ON. And to go along with the thread hijack discussing ABS - having your brake light stuck ON will cause the ABS fault light to come ON also. Don't ask me how I know this. :glare:

BTW, rather than move the spline one detent you can also adjust the arm going from the pedal to the master cylinder for the same result (and more adjustability than one splines worth).

 

[creg-ny-baa]

Do I get points for thread (resurrection) economy?

Thanks to the contributors to this hoary thread. It confirmed what I suspected to be the course of action: One spline clockwise. As others have posted, the pinch bolt has to be removed, as it fits through a slot in the splined shaft between the two rows of splnes. Slide the pedal off, reposition and replace, replace and tighten the bolt. Since the rear MC and brake light switch are activated by the rotation of the shaft and not directly by the movement or position of the pedal, this should have no impact on brake or brake light activation.

Carry on!